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Worried about my 4yo DD

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RubaDubMum89 · 19/05/2021 13:56

This is going to be a long one, so I'll summarise here:
DD 4, 5 at the end of the year, has been hurting the animals. Last week she cut both the cats ears with scissors. Today she's pulled loads of feathers out of the chickens. I'm at my wits end. Would you start proceedings with a Dr for her to see someone or am I over reacting?

Long version:

We had some problems with DD when she was younger - 2.5ish - smacking the cats and throwing stones at them etc. We spent a long time explaining to her how the cats have feelings, when she was hurt it's not nice and that's how the cats feel etc and the behaviour stopped. We've not thought anything of it since then. Now it's resurfaced.

To give you an idea of DDs personality - she loves animals, she's generally a kind and loving child, she's even had a couple of certificates from nursery for always being super kind to everyone. The cat she hurt is like her best friend, they've grown up together, play together, sleep together, when she's hurt and she crys he comes running from where ever he is to snuggle her, it's is (was?) a really beautiful relationship.

Then, last week, I saw the cat walking around with two bloody ears. I knew straight away what had happened - when I'd been cleaning upstairs I'd come down to find DD chopping paper up with the nail scissors we'd forgotten to put away - I knew she'd cut his ears and my heart sank. I felt sick. I asked her about it, I couldn't shout at her because I knew I'd go too far, and she denied it, then after asking a few more times she told me, she'd been making paper dinosaurs and the cat was in the way so she cut him. I asked if she knew what she was doing and she said she knew it would bleed and it would hurt him. She couldn't tell me why she would want to hurt him.

After I'd cleaned the cat up I took away all of her toys. They're all in the loft and she's earning them back day by day. All treats were cancelled, no puddings, no chocolate or treat food and no TV at all until she's shown us she can be nice again.

We debated at the time taking her to see someone, the Dr probably and hoping they could refer her on, but after a good 5 hour discussion and tears we decided we'd wait and see, as the behaviour is so very out of character we wanted to believe it was a stupid thing done by a 4yo who lacks comprehension.

Everything has been going great. The first incident with the cat was exactly a week ago today, she's earned a few toys back, she got to watch TV for 30 mins after tea last night and she's been her usual loving self with the cats. Then this morning, I was in the bathroom with the door closed and she pushed a chicken feather under the door. Then another. Then another. Until there was 10/11 of them.

I asked her if she'd pulled them from the chickens and she said no, to which I said in all the time we've had them, we've not had but 3 feathers fall out and she said I was right, she'd pulled them from the chickens. Again we've had the same conversations (me and her) she's promised not to do it again and I've taken a couple of her toys she'd earned back away. She's also no longer allowed to go near the chickens, which she was upset about.

Honestly, I don't know what to do. Do I take her to see someone? Do I seriously consider rehoming the animals now? I'd like this to be a VERY last resort as I adore all my animals and many of them predate DD but I'm worried what the next incident will be now. I don't know, my mind is all over the place. I'm worried about her, to say the very least and I'm devastated this is happening.

We're quite strict with DD and hold her to a high standard with behaviours and manners. We won't tolerate rudeness or back chat. She's never physically punished, we operate on a 3 warning system then she's sent to her bedroom. Maybe we're too strict? Is this a power play? But then it feels ridiculous to react to bad behaviour by being less strict?

Before I ramble anymore - AIBU to be so worried? Or am I totally over reacting?

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KurtWilde · 20/05/2021 11:51

@Bythemillpond

My worst nightmare is having an entitled, rude, demanding and spoilt brat for a child. I know people with young kids that have never said please in their life and speak to their parents like dirt and get exactly what they want by stamping their feet

But being strict with your child won’t stop them becoming entitled rude, demanding and a brat. From what I have seen with those that were strict it is exactly what you will get.

No amount of chats and love is going to make up for the fact you won’t let your dd be a 4 year old.

None of the things you say you punish your child for I would consider are things that warrant being punished for.

Mine were loud and messy and never tidied up their toys. They would have tantrums if they were over tired or just because they were frustrated with things not going their way or because they felt like it. It never crossed my mind that these were things to be punished.

Describing your child as headstrong when she is just being a normal 4 year old and punishing her for it. I am no psychologist but I think this is where it all stems from.
If you won’t let her have feelings no matter how irrational they are. Won’t let her get upset without punishment then it has to come out another way.

I agree with this completely.
Puntastic · 20/05/2021 12:49

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WyldStallions · 20/05/2021 15:18

Hi OP
Re leading questions.

It's not about accepting if she says 'it wasn't me' so much as not putting words in her mouth.

  • Oh Annie, poor Puss has sore bleeding ears! I wonder how that happened...did you see what happened, Annie.
  • It wasn't me.
  • what wasn't you?
  • it wasn't me who cut his ears
  • oh my goodness, did his ears get cut? I wondered how they got sore. Did you see what happened?
  • he cut himself on the scissors
  • Hmmm. I don't see how puss would cut his own ears. Can you explain what you saw?

Etc etc

Probe, clarify. But 4 is still very young. They will trip themselves up soon enough if it's not true.

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Quincie · 20/05/2021 19:26

Momuntervery has it right

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