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"How to talk so kdis will listenand listen so kids will talk" - anyone want to go trhough this book?

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Porcupine · 01/05/2007 16:58

and see hwat we think of it?

Its wuite heavy reading( not intellectually) just very close set type and lots of americna egs
But i reckon we cna do it.

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Issymum · 04/05/2007 14:26

MB: "'miss I haven't done my homework'

'get into the trolly, tell the dwarfes to budge up a bit!

and then I say 'You must be feeling fucking stupid now!'

Is that right?

Oh realised I should have ummed a bit before telling then to get into the trolly"

I don't know if it's the jet lag (just got back from the US) or general Friday hysteria, but I think in four years plus of Mnetting that this is the first time I've laughed out loud. (I'm a humourless old bag).

I bought HTT about a year ago, read it, tried it, it worked. Since then I have inevitably being backsliding faster than Kate Moss on Nicotine patches. The problem with HTT is that all that patient, positive parenting is so bloody fatiguing; I honestly find it less tiring to shout multiple times in a crescendo of increasing irritation 'Put your damned shoes on' than engage my 6 year old in a dialogue about her conflicted emotions relative to appropriate foot apparel.

And HTT and children not staying in bed after bedtime are incompatible. No active listening, no 'hmning' and certainly no fantasising: "Wouldn't it be lovely if you could stay up all evening with us drinking Cabernet Sav, sprawling on the sofa and tut tutting about the formulaeic but compulsive drivel that is 'House'" - no it bloody wouldn't. They should be in bed and silent - sleeping optional - which entirely precludes active or even inactive listening. I find hissing menancingly 'If you don't stay in bed I'll disembowel you' and meaning it, way more effective.

But to be fair to Cod, if I must, it is a good book and it is worth re-reading annually even if only to shift your parenting style from Guantanamo Bay battering to Derren Brown mental manipulation.

However, F&Z will tell you that for a genuine 'paradigm shift' (woohoo 90's management speak) in your approach to parenting only the crazily impractical but otherwise brilliant Alfie Cohen's "Unconditional Parenting" will do.

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:20

ROFL issy.
very good re kate moss
i must admit my parenting to date hasnt broguth up many issues ( sorry) but i do find hte repeating yourself htign tiresome

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:41

RIGHT OYU SODS

+++++++++++++++++++++CHAPTER 4 ENOUCRAGIN AUTONOMY++++++++++++++++++++++

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:43
  1. LET CHOLDREN MAKE choices
  2. show repsect fro a child's sturggle
  3. dont ask too many questions
  4. dont rush to anwer questions
  5. encourage children to use sources soutside the home
  6. dont take away hope
PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:45

so say for number " - show repsect say" "patns can be hard to put on by yourself" ( as kid struggles)

or " doign maths can be hard"

asn so on

the afteR sCHool BARRGAE OF Qs shoudl be summarised into thi

"hi im glad to see you"

BearintheBigBlueHouse · 04/05/2007 16:45

don't take away hope?!?!?!

they took mine, why do they get to keep theirs?

grrr

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:46

if a kid asks " were does rain from"

rather than rattlign off o' level geography say

" thats an intersting question where do you think it comes rom "
( see aha! gotahc There kiddy cos daddy has NO IDEA)

or ( other eg in book)

why dos grandma come every week to see us?

you askt he kid

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:47

bear i welcome oyu wiht open arms since hte triumph of the lsit thread

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:48

sources outside he home

" why does my fish keep dying daddy"

" lets askthe pet shop owner"
( this is very good tip imo - not s just re fish obv but to encourage kdi to helpthemselves)

"mom haev oyu foudn me a guitar teacher yet" ( arsey kid eh?)

"no im still lookign - maybe you coudl ask around at school to see if the other kid have one"

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:49

preparing for disappointment ( god we haev ALL been there)

kid " am tryng out for the chool play( oh yes cod memory flash)

Whoooosh · 04/05/2007 16:51

Issymum-fab post

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:51

dont say " oh well do you think they will giev the big parts to the older kdis( wel obv theyw eillfgs)"
you say" geeso yoou are tyring out for the lead thtall be an experience"

am worried kid will end up snorting coke as some lohan esque groupie btu there you are.

kid " maybe ill be an engineer wheni grow up" (WHY??)

you dont say" not wiht your maths skill sonny boy"

you say " so you are intersetd in a career inengineering?"

i MUST say the conversation in this family must be PRE - TTY boring after a while - like theres a perpetual echo

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 16:58

im not so excited abotu the giev a choice for eveythng tbh, one of the egs in the book is abotu baths - well god most kdsi wudl haev one a year.

regardign bed time if hte kid is pissing abotu they say you say to ki" its mommy and daddys time now do you want to go to slepe now or read in bed till we tuck you in"

hmmm. the coutner argiment is that a forced choice isnt really a choice but hey ho

OHER WASY TO ENCOURAGE AUTONOMY

  1. stay out of the minutae of a kids life ( ooh eys i see fussy mums a lot leavet hem a lone fgs)
  1. dont talk about a kid in fornt of them no matter how small the kid
  1. let a kid speak fo themselves

4.show repect fo your kdis eventiual readiness - ie " one day you will use the loo liek mummy and daddy" (well lets hope not QUITE like daddy)

  1. whthc out for too many no's
ahundredtimes · 04/05/2007 17:00

Basically,

I'm not going to ask about your day.
Find your own guitar teacher (you pushy demanding kid).
I don't know why your pets don't survive but don't ask me FIND A PROFESSIONAL.
Fractions are shitty, but don't look to me to help you out.

I think I'm going to do really well on this chapter. Going to find DCs now. . .

HuwEdwards · 04/05/2007 17:02

am all for encouraging autonomy, it equates broadly, to me having to do less, but god yes, with you on the echo thing - would drive me and dcs I think, NUTS

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 17:02

alternatives to No

1
give info am leav out the no

kdi - can i go otu to play

mum we are hgavign dinner in 5 mins

(OOOOOOOOOOOOH clever!)

  1. accept his feelings (your fave gals)

kid - i dont want ot leave the zoo
mum well tis hard ot leave somewhere oyu loev so much( accepting its tough)

  1. descreibe the problem
i htin every moron on this thread can do this now kid - cna we go to the park mum - the electricina is comign in 5 minutes (WHY??)

4.substitute a no fo a yes
cna we NOW go to teh park( the farkign electrcian has been)
yes right after lunch

( oooh clever agin)

5 give yourself time to htink

cna i sleep over at garys house as i haevnt been ot the park all farkign day?

mum - let me think baout it

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 17:03

right my keyboars is smellgin of rubber nad there is steam ocmign otu of ti
that should be enought fro a bank holiday bumper edition.

am lovign this thread oyu lot very very funny

climbingwalls · 04/05/2007 17:05

Oooh I like this chapter, especially the bit about staying out of the minutae of a kid's life (coz their lives a resoooo boring and tedious sometimes and I'd rather thy just got on with things themselves and left me to do my own stuff)

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 17:07

yes bt god you do see musm fussing over their kdis
" put oyur hair up
wipe your nsoe"

waht are you doing

sit up when you work
ahev you read hte book
SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP

ahundredtimes · 04/05/2007 17:09

kid - Mum, can we go to the park?
aha, ahum
Kid - but we should go Mum because its dark here and there's no light because the electrician was totally useless and I don't want to sit in the dark all day. ITS SO DARK I CAN'T EVEN PRACTISE MY GUITAR.
You want to practise your guitar because you're going to be a guitar-playing engineer.

Mum and kid sink into depressed silence in gloomy house.

PeterAndreFanCLub · 04/05/2007 17:11

100 get wiht it
we arent aha ing any more
ohno

climbingwalls · 04/05/2007 17:11

ahundred times you forgot the bit about fantasising that there is light and you're already at the park playing

climbingwalls · 04/05/2007 17:13

God yeah can't stand fussy mums (and dads) put your slippers on, don't drag your coat, don't sit there, be careful, slow down, watch where you're going...FFS

HuwEdwards · 04/05/2007 17:16

ah yes but the 'fussy' parent works the other way too.

I know a mum who insists on trying to articulate every reason possible to her dd to explain why she won't let her do something.

Her dd 'Mum can we dress up'

Mum 'DD, come here please. Now, mummy is cooking so you can have dinner, you do want dinner don't you? Now if I'm cooking that must mean dinner will be ready soon. Now. We don't want dinner all down our princess dress do we, because we want to wear it to Harry's party tomorrow. So, darling why don't you go an wash your hands instead'

Kid obeys because she's completely forgotton what she asked her mum.

ahundredtimes · 04/05/2007 17:17

Sorry. Ok. Sitting up straight now. Paying attention (though still somewhat distracted and concerned about fused electrics and the guitar - perhaps it was an electric guitar you see and he'd gone to all the bother of finding his own teacher at school etc etc.)

I need time to think about this, and you will accept that it hard to move on from the ahas when I love them so much.
Need my gunea pigs to stop watching tv and start kicking up a fuss so I can practise.
Will report back.