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Limoncella · 10/04/2007 12:44

Now I now that Im extremely lucky to have a nice HV, but at DS's 8month development check last week, all was going swimmingly until she asked about how he eats.

'Very well' i said...a jar of whatever ( chicken & veg eg) for lunch, bit of fruit, jar of whatever for tea, yogurt etc. loads of milk. Anything that I put in front of him infact.

The look on her face was priceless - 'So you don't do any cooking for him?' she finally asked...

I then got on the defensive (prob a bad thing) and explained about not having the time. She then said it would be a good idea if I 'made the effort'. Grrrr. This dragged on for 15 mins until she finally gave up. I left feeling annoyed that she was questioning what i did with my days (eeerr, work, commute 1.5hrs, come home, play, put him to bed, eat and then put myself to bed!!)

Now I know its not ideal to feed him jar food, but its organic and no salt/sugar etc. Is it really that bad to do this?

Sorry long post!

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Aloha · 10/04/2007 18:34

It isn't odd at all. Of course chicken, potatoes and vegetables is more nutritious than cheese on toast!

Aloha · 10/04/2007 18:35

The jars aren't purees at this stage anyway, and the child eats plenty of fruit.

moondog · 10/04/2007 18:35

???????

It is a meaningless comparison in any case.

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Aloha · 10/04/2007 18:42

No it is not a meaningless comparison. People are suggesting that instead of giving her child an evening meal of chicken, vegetables and potatoes she gives him pizza crust - for the sake of his health!

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moondog · 10/04/2007 18:44

Well I said nowt about pizza crusts but at least the child is learning to chew. I come across literally hundreds of kids who are unable to do so and/or deal with different textures. i've been dealing with one 5 year old who could eat nothing but tomato soup,yoghurt and baby food.

Potatoes aren't so great. Have a very high glycaemic index.

mrsjohnsimnelcake · 10/04/2007 18:46

i never said pizza crusts are better... did i?
anyway off to bath my lovely offspring in evian and wrap them up in thier hemp dressing gowns
i must go now, really, i must

Sallyheartshapedstrawberry · 10/04/2007 18:51

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Aloha · 10/04/2007 19:10

good mythbusting information about canned food from the British Nutrition Foundation. Jar food is treated at lower temperatures than canned food

Canned food, contrary to popular belief, can form part of a healthy balanced diet. It?s often assumed that canned foods are a poor source of vitamins and minerals. Canned foods in many cases provide similar amounts of vitamins and minerals to fresh equivalents, and are often a good source of protein and fibre too. Foods from each of the main food groups needed for a balanced diet - Breads, pasta, cereals & potatoes; Fruit & vegetables; Milk & dairy; Meat, fish & vegetarian alternatives ? come in a can, offering a convenient choice and at the same time can form part of a healthy diet. This is especially the case if you choose products with low salt, no added salt, no added sugar or foods canned in fruit juice or water rather than syrup or brine.

Canning of foods is just one type of food preservation. Canned foods are often overlooked as an economical source of nutrients, but the very process of canning preserves foods and nutrients and in some cases increases the bioavailability of nutrients. Canning of foods first occurred in the 18th century but in jars! Due to the demands of long sea voyages, armies being away from home for long periods and the increasing needs of urban populations, effective means of food preservation were required. At the time, methods of preservation included drying, smoking, pickling and salting of foods, but were inadequate for preserving foods for a long period of time.

In the 1790s Napoleon?s Government offered a huge reward for a new method of preserving foods suitable for the French Military. It was Nicolas Appert in the early 1800s who came up with a method for sterilising foods in bottles and won the generous prize. Meanwhile in the UK, a patent for a tin-plated iron can (tin coated steel or aluminium is used today) was granted to Peter Durand by George III, with the introduction of the canning process to the UK soon after. The first automated can making machinery was introduced in the 1890s. Due to the methods employed in canning, canned foods rarely require the use of additional preservatives.

The majority of canned products are canned immediately or very soon after harvest, when nutrient concentrations and eating quality are at their highest. This ensures that many of the vitamins and minerals are retained in the can. Canning is a useful way to preserve vitamins, as concentrations of some vitamins can decrease by 50% within the first 7 days after harvest when stored at ambient temperatures.

Vitamin C and folate are both particularly labile nutrients; however, despite some initial losses that occur during the canning process, vitamin C and folate concentrations remain constant throughout the shelf life of the product. Canned spinach, kidney beans and chickpeas are all good sources of folate. Canned baby sweetcorn, apricots and gooseberries all provide more vitamin C than their fresh equivalents. Canned foods are already cooked, so preparation of canned foods results in minimal further loss of nutrients. Additionally canned foods are good sources of some minerals; iron and zinc can be found in meat and meat products, whilst calcium can be found in many canned fish.

See for yourself! Look at the facts below:

? It?s a myth that canned foods are all high in salt, fat or sugar. Due to advances in technology many canned products are preserved in water rather than brine or fruit juice rather than syrup, and many of your favourite canned meals come in lower fat choices too.

? Canned fruit and vegetables count towards the recommended 5 daily, 80g servings of fruit and vegetables. Remember to eat a wide variety! Ideally choose those that are not canned in syrup or brine.

? Canned beans and pulses such as red kidney beans and chickpeas can also contribute towards your 5 portions of fruit and vegetables (1). Canned beans and pulses are good source of a number of vitamins and minerals. For example, canned kidney beans are a source of calcium, required for maintaining healthy bones, phosphorus, an essential component of all cells, and thiamin which is required for energy metabolism. Chickpeas are a source of the antioxidant, vitamin E.

? Canned fish provides more calcium than fresh fish ? fresh fish have to be de-boned but the canning process softens small bones, enabling them to be eaten, and thereby it acts as a source of calcium needed for maintaining healthy bones.

? Canned salmon, mackerel, sardines and kippers are all sources of long chain omega-3 fatty acids, which play a role in the prevention of heart disease. The long chain omega-3 fatty acid content is comparable to that found in fresh fish.

? Tuna canned in brine or spring water, unlike fresh tuna is low in fat (the canning process removes fat) and is therefore useful for those watching their calorie or fat intake. However, it does not provide long chain omega-3 fatty acids.

? Canned tomato soup is one of the best sources of the antioxidant lycopene, which has been linked with a reduced incidence of some types of cancer. Cooking tomatoes makes lycopene more available for the body to use.

? Canned meals can form part of a healthy balanced diet. Canned Irish stew is a source of iron, and can often be lower in fat than home made stew. Teamed with a couple of servings of low or no added salt vegetables it makes for a balanced meal providing vitamins, minerals, fibre and protein.

? Contrary to popular belief, canned fruits and vegetables are a source of vitamin C. A 100g serving of tomatoes, spinach or apricots all provide almost a quarter of the Recommended Daily Amount (RDA) for vitamin C, providing more than fresh equivalents. Whilst a serving of canned gooseberries or blackcurrants provides over half of the RDA.

? Canned fruits, vegetables, beans and pulses are good sources of fibre, for example 3 tablespoons of kidney beans provide 6g of fibre whilst half a can of ratatouille provides 3g. Adults should aim to consume at least 18g of fibre daily; children proportionately less.

(1) Beans and pulses can only contribute one portion per day.

© British Nutrition Foundation 2003

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moondog · 10/04/2007 19:12

There's nothing wrong with canned food at all,I completely agree.
I have loads of canned fruit,pulses,fish and veg in my cupboards.

I would only buy cans of stuff that bear some sort of resemblance to their virgin form however.
Therefore I wouldn't ever buy a jar of blitzed beige sludge

amateurmum · 10/04/2007 19:26

'Beige mush' this is really only a matter of appearance though, moondog, not nutrition.

amateurmum · 10/04/2007 19:27

sludge sorry!

Aloha · 10/04/2007 19:32

So if the meal was made of, say, tinned lentils, tinned fruit and tinned fish (interesting combo, I admit) but then lovingly blitzed by hand at home, that would be ok?

OrvilleRedenbacher · 10/04/2007 19:32

oi
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Aloha · 10/04/2007 19:33

Gah, I am only here because I am hiding from my children!

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moondog · 10/04/2007 21:20

I'd give it the seal of approval,yes Aloha.

(Although no need to can lentils-they cook while your back is turned.)

Hilllary · 10/04/2007 21:32

HV's are too opinionated most times, If you find it easier giving your dc jars then do so, when he is old enough to eat your food then you will probably be ditching the majority of jars anyway. You are a brilliant mum and your baby is happy, thats all that matters

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