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Should I report Parents to Social services?

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user1462959192 · 11/05/2016 11:19

My Stepson and his wife are the most useless parents I have ever known.
Girl 11, Boy 8

Despite trying for years they(parents) have not changed at all.

Am I over reacting? This is a letter I was going to give them, it's about the same as the others we have sent or spoken to them about, but they ignore them.

The children say you Watch TV all the time when the kids are home, they hate it as you have an 18 rated Game of Thrones program on all the time they shouldn't be watching age 18 programs, so the kids then go upstairs because they hate the program

They say at weekends they do nothing and you just watch TV or go on play Station

It is NOT appropriate to leave small children downstairs alone with a dog in the house, in fact even without the animal as it is classed as child neglect

At weekends or in fact any day, it isn't OK to get up at 9,10,11,12,1pm, they are too young to organise themselves and it is very dangerous.

Children and their life.

Get up before the children and organise their day, uniform, food, things for school, also classed as neglect if you don't.

The school has a website and an App for everything going on at the school, yet you ignore it

X missed out on a Guides night in the woods when the FB page clearly stated where to go.

Ensure their time at school is made easier by making sure they turn up smart in ironed clothes and with all the things needed for the school day. Today and most days they look liked tramps and have food all over their clothes. There shoes are a disgrace.

Ensure they aren't late for school. Their late attendance is appalling, because you are still in bed and the school is 50 yards away

Ensure they get the most from school by allowing them to partake in all after school activities, It is NOT your job to constantly forget to send back forms or kids miss a meal because you forgot to pay

When we collect the kids and their spare clothes, 99% of the time it is wet or damp. There is no excuse as you have a huge garden with plenty of room to hang clothes out.

You refused to attend the last parents evening, which is appalling, so we got the school to ring you

Feed them correctly. A tin of soup is hardly a meal for a growing child, they are often hungry and custard isn't pudding. On the day of Xmas sales You was still in bed at 11, the kids hadn't had breakfast AGAIN,

Ensure a balanced diet, processed frozen food isn't a balanced diet, they tell us they have never had potato, carrots and gravy or a Sunday type dinner at your house.

Ensure the kids are taught about responsibility, for say their room, their things, their life

Ensure they go to bed at a reasonable time and that isn't 9.30pm for a 7-year-old or even later in some cases.

X is 7 and can't even tie his shoes, which shows how much help they aren't given as most 5 year olds can tie their shoes, So we taught him, He goes backwards in his learning during the week when at home then we teach him over the weekends to bring him back up to speed

Another example of lack of help is X spelling is the same level as 4 year old, Big List 1. So in a week we taught her and X and they went up 5 levels

Did you know your kids love to learn and often ask us to give them types of homework

You 100% cannot let your kids go to the park on their own.

Where are X's school shoes? She has gone the whole week wearing non school shoes, why haven't you even bothered to look for them, after all they were in the living room. The thing is you have no idea how they are dressed when they go to school as you are in bed, They say you wave out of the bedroom window to them, Just wtf are you doing in bed at 9am?

Name me one place you have taken the kids since you moved, In fact name me any place the both of you have taken them for fun, I bet that's on less than one hand

She screams like a lunatic at the slightest thing and you do nothing, she even screamed at a frog, it's a frog, yet this never happens at ours probably because you will “cuddle her” She clings on to everyone which could get her in big trouble, when she goes to big school she will be instantly bullied for being fat, dopey and clingy

Your Home:

It is your job to ensure a clean and tidy home for your kids to enjoy, instead of the tip it is.

Not their job to walk through dog and cat piss and shit in the mornings or be scared to wake you, which is outrageous. In fact, they are so scared of you they have never woken you up.

All children love their friends coming round to play, one of X & X's friends live next door to you yet has never visited and vice versa

It is your job to ensure the kids are kept entertained and pointed in the right direction in life, if that's homework, playing with others helping them with x//y/z then so be it. Not just sat in front of a play station

Children like bedrooms that are a great place to play, theirs did look like a drug addicts room, lifeless and no furniture with the floor covered in “crap”. In fact your room is no better,.

The back room downstairs is obviously a dumping ground. The rats will love that rubbish.

It looks like the house hasn't been hoovered for a month.

Even on X after we had kids for the weekend, you still hadn't been arsed to make their beds or hoover up, the place is still a tip

What the kids say

Does mummy tell you to stop sucking your thumb or picking your nose or teeth, NO

So what books does mummy read to you?
“she isn't that sort of mum”

What bedtime stories does she read to you
X “Grandma don't be silly”

I guess homework is easy because your mum and dad helps a lot
“ erm Grandad they never helps us”

Did you enjoy guides?
“I loved it, but mummy won't let me go I know she won’t” and she was right, you should be ashamed to tell her that ½ mile is too far to walk. So one Monday night she missed out on Skating.

So go on tell me the games you play with Mummy?
“She doesn't play with us, she's not that sort of mum”

X are you looking forward to the party? “Yes grandma as I have never been to a party before”, at age 8 & 11 we would have expected the kids to have been in many weekend team/games/sports and to many parties etc, yet they have been or done none at all.

How does mummy help you with reading and school work? They both just laughed.

X, how was Taikwando, “Grandad she never sent the form back again and I wanted to go, she never sends any forms back so we don't do anything all my friends do” he then cried.

Kids did you make mummy and daddy Xmas cards?, no didn't know we should. Did you get cards off mummy and daddy, they both cried.

X birthday, she wanted a bowling party, did she get one? Of course not

Your kids are bored out of their heads because you can't be bothered.

An amazing fact for kids age 8 & 11, they have never had a sleep over, they have NO friends outside of school, they have never taken part in a sport or activity, the only people they play with are each other.

Sometimes you even fall asleep on the settee (they told us) and haven't fed them at 7pm which is a disgrace being as you aren't at work

Your kids think it's their fault you had to go to the police station after social services intervention and you told them to lie if anyone asked, you actually said that they should say everything is OK. As far as we know it was X's mother that started it, maybe you should tell them whose fault it was.

You went to work on a Friday and missed the nativity play that both your children were in, The play started at 1.30 so there is no excuse as your train was a lot later, you just wanted to go to wherever instead of encouraging and seeing your children.

You have never ring up to see how they are, or if you do they can't be bothered to speak to you or X,which says something,

Hubby came home on a Thursday and both of you never even bothered to come and see the kids, which about sums up how little interest you both have in them.

You couldn't even be arsed to buy her first bra, so we did

Update

The house is an utter disgrace, with dog shit stinking the place out, get rid of the pets now

Your kids think the way they act is normal as you give them no guidance at all

Once again they stayed here and you just chucked some clothes into a plastic bag

Most of Xs's clothes don't fit him, not a single thing had been ironed

You need the carpets professionally cleaned as they are a disgrace.

Despite the previous warnings, almost nothing has happened regarding the kids welfare.

They are banned from taking their books home as they keep losing them at home!!!!! That is as bad as losing Xs school shoes when they were in your living room.

Once again nothing is ironed and half their clothes don't fit.

They still continually argue with each other and us, they have no idea this is wrong, as you never correct them.

I feel utterly sorry for the dog and the cats continue to piss over all the clothes, get rid of them.

We spend most of our time, trying to put right the things that you two have never taught your children.

Bedtime, WE take them to bed each night and they are read a story, you don't ever, even when they were 4 years old, so they never clean their teeth or get washed as you don't go upstairs, they then play games with each other often staying up late in the bedroom, you have no idea as you don't check, that’s why they are late for school.

They can play games with each other staying in their own bedrooms AT BEDTIME as they use signals and you never check on them, so they get away with it.

We have had the kids for a week and you or X never rang then once, what an utter disgrace.

back to normal at not caring, as X missed Beavers. Despite it only being 6pm, you should have taken him as it's a 5 minute walk.

house stinks of cat pee again. No wonder you don't want people to come round to your house. How can you be married for 10+ years yet not have any bedroom furniture or even a dining table?

It is almost 2 years since you came to X and you have never taken the kids anywhere except the shops and you shop at the most expensive shop there is, what's wrong with using online shopping? Where it is a lot cheaper?

X missed his end of the season Zorba party, despite you having the details and X paying for it. So we didn't remind you as that isn't our job, we did this on purpose to see if you would organise them, which we knew you wouldn't and have been proven correct.

They still have no interest in anything at all. They are the only kids we know that have no hobbies or interests.

Why is it they almost never have breakfast?

It was the kids science fair and just for a change you couldn't be arsed to go,

They both had a week to practice their experiments, of course you never helped during the whole week, so they were rubbish. It was obvious other parents had helped their kids.

They both argue continually and even did it at the science fair in front of their teachers and X. They never accept they are wrong because they have NO guidance.

It is your job to get them to bring home their PE kit each Friday, they almost never do.

You have no idea what they look like when they go to school as you are in bed, they don’t wash or clean their teeth ever

X has needed new trainers for 2 weeks, bet you never noticed.

X never brought his homework home for a whole year, you never said a thing

I believe it's time we took serious action as this cannot continue

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steppemum · 11/05/2016 13:23

quite a few things on your list we do with kids age 8 and over.
(custard for pudding - it is called Vla in Holland and is a standard daily pudding
unironed clothes - I do not iron
kids downstairs before you? Not in itself a problem, youngest is 8 not 3
pe kit home every Friday? Nope, school send them all home at half term
no after school activities? many children don't do them
don't go to parents evening? Again, many don't - usually the very ones who need to
Not having football/swimming etc - that isn't neglect
never had a sleepover - that isn't neglect either
11 year old going to the park is not a problem, they will be walking to secondary school in a few months, it is learning independence
Get their own breakfast/no breakfast - an 8 year old is quite capable of doing this)

They are not neglect.

The rest is.

Your list reads to me as a horrible judgemental tirade, and therefore misses the key points which are neglect.
While they do build up a picture of disinterest, they should not be mixed up with lack of food, lack of caring for basic needs (washing, teeth, clean clothes), poor hygiene especially with the dogs and cats.

steppemum · 11/05/2016 13:28

and having reread it, you are seriously obsessed with ironing.

squizita · 11/05/2016 13:28

don't consider gravy a vital part of a meal

...ironically I don't like my DD to have gravy because it's so salty even home-made.

Yep the whole tone and 'what neglect is' needs looking at here, or the real neglect risks being overlooked.
Some stuff is just daft - you absolutely CAN leave a 10 year old downstairs with a pet for example.

The poop and isolation is the harm here.

My child protection alarm is going haywire not only about the parents, but by the lack of understanding in the letter about what IS and IS NOT neglect.
Very rare that - ranking no gravy with dinner alongside fecal matter on the floor!!

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AndTakeYourPenguinWithYou · 11/05/2016 13:30

There is a lot of nonsense in there that you need to remove. 11 and 8 are not young children, they can be left alone with their own dog. It is not a parents job to always entertain their children, neither do they have to have sunday dinners with gravy! There are lots of things that are nit picking and daft.
The actual real problems will be ignored as your complaints will be seen as judgy and interfering, and riddled with silly accusations. Cut out 3/4's of it and pick out the actual problems.
Unironed clothes? Come on!

BaboonBottom · 11/05/2016 13:33

Steppe mum I'm glad you said that, some of the things you picked out apply to my children.
They don't want sleep overs
They don't want to do after school clubs or activities
They don't have play dates or friends over.
I appreciate there is a difference between children that want to but aren't allowed.

The school are aware I'm guessing, I'd be inclined to phone or write a letter to the school with your concerns, I wouldn't put everything in your list though.

BertPuttocks · 11/05/2016 13:42

You aren't going to get anywhere with a letter like that. The tone is incredibly patronising. Even someone who was desperate to change would give up reading after the first few lines.

As others have said, you need to cut out all the petty criticisms and stick to the important points. Complaining that someone doesn't shop online is just bizarre.

As you obviously already have some contact with the school, I would speak to them first. Many schools will have a member of staff who acts as a liaison between home and school. They may not be able to tell you anything due to confidentiality issues but may be able to add your concerns to their own when referring on to the relevant authorities.

LilQueenie · 11/05/2016 13:43

You sound very judgy. I dont think ss is a good idea. help would be but for all you know the children may not be as unhappy as you think . Not all children want to do every activity listed on a website.

Paddingtonthebear · 11/05/2016 13:46

The kids sound like they DO want friends, hobbies, sleepovers, a varied diet, attention from their parents etc etc etc though. I bet they hate going to school in dirty clothes that don't fit. I bet they are ashamed and embarrassed that their parents don't do anything with them, go to parents evenings, take them to activities that their friends go to.

Not ironing clothes isn't a big deal but when the clothes are dirty, damp, ill fitting aswell as not ironed then that is a bigger indication that the parents are lazy and not looking after their children properly.

Social services probably won't do anything about lazy parents like these.

I bet those poor kids feel ashamed every day. Sad

QuiteLikely5 · 11/05/2016 13:50

I don't know why some posters are going on about the ironing, that one thing in itself is not the issue its all the issues put together that are worrying.

No child should be living with animal excretment!!

And the poster on here might not have worded their letter very well but does it actually matter?

Poster you are a protective factor in the children's lives and believe me you have no idea just what you are doing for those children in the long term. See them as much as possible.

Do share your concerns with the school and see what they say, this may well be a SS issue and they will certainly be in a position to tell you.

Your other option is to ring up your local duty SW team, remain anonymous and explain to them what you have here and see what they say

gandalf456 · 11/05/2016 13:50

I agree with the others. I'd say missing school, lateness and not being fed properly, being sent to bed too late and dog mess are neglect but things like not playing with them, reading to them or letting them watch too much TV, while not great parenting, aren't crimes in themselves. Mine or 11 and 7 and go downstairs by themselves sometimes. I do make them breakfast, though, as they aren't confident pouring milk and I'm not 100% happy with DD using the toaster unsupervised. They also watch too much TV and I don't always have time /feel like playing with them
and, while they do have playdates, I don't like having loads as other people's kids are hard work.

LilQueenie · 11/05/2016 13:55

she will be instantly bullied for being fat, dopey and clingy

really? by who yourself?

gamerchick · 11/05/2016 13:59

You won't get anywhere with that letter, it makes you sound utterly barking.

Take out the important bits and ditch the patronising,judgemental nit-picking.

AndTakeYourPenguinWithYou · 11/05/2016 14:09

I don't know why some posters are going on about the ironing, that one thing in itself is not the issue its all the issues put together that are worrying

Because all the trivial stuff about ironing and sleepovers makes the OP sound judgy and interfering, and all the extra stuff hides what does sound like real neglect.

Of course it matters how she wrote the letter, its difficult to wade through all the stuff the OP thinks make a good parent (most of it irrelevant) to get to the actual problems.

mumofawoodlouseeater · 11/05/2016 14:10

And the poster on here might not have worded their letter very well but does it actually matter?

Well, yes. The OP has expressed frustration that previous letters have been ignored. The wording of the letters may have had an impact on how they were received.

AndTakeYourPenguinWithYou · 11/05/2016 14:14

The first few lines would make most people completely disregard the OP's opinion on anything else:
It is NOT appropriate to leave small children downstairs alone with a dog in the house, in fact even without the animal as it is classed as child neglect

She thinks its neglect to leave an 11 and 8 year old alone downstairs in their own house, while the parents are upstairs? That is bonkers. She thinks the majority of parents in the country would be guilty of child neglect. Who is going to take her seriously about anything after that?

wannabestressfree · 11/05/2016 14:16

Social services will.filter out what isn't relevant and if school went round this morning I would say they are On schools radar so call and speak to child protection officer.
I am sorry though parents should not be in bloody bed all hours and neither is game of thrones viewing for children.
It's the all stuff coupled together and I see it at school. Low level neglect. They need help.

winningticketholder · 11/05/2016 14:17

I haven't read all of this because it makes my brain want to climb out of my head and go to the park instead. OP whilst these people are not going to get any parent of the year awards soon you sound completely tyrannical.

Schools are very strict about absence and lateness, they will deal with that - leave it alone.

Most of what you are sniping about could be termed as a difference in standards of living - the way you have written this makes it come across as exaggerated and therefore nonsense.

You sound like a bully and I do wonder if your stepson's difference in home life compared to yours is a reflection of an overly strict childhood.

These children are not babies and are at an age were independence should be encouraged - you don't like that but at the same time criticise parents giving a child a hug; make your mind up.

I don't see how you can possibly have a good relationship with this family.

reup · 11/05/2016 14:20

There is no way most 5 years olds can tie their shoes. I taught that age group and one girl at 4 could and we were all amazed!

cestlavielife · 11/05/2016 14:20

Just call the school ask to speak to safeguarding Officer.
School already know there is an issue.

steppemum · 11/05/2016 14:21

paddington - I agree the children probably do want those things, but if you want anyone in authority to take it seriously, you have to focus on the things which are actually neglect (like dog mess all over the floor) and not on things which are either parenting choice (not doing sleepovers/after school club) or just poor parenting (too much TV, lack of attention)

wooflesgoestotown · 11/05/2016 14:29

This sounds heartbreaking - those poor children. And how hard for you as their grandparents to see how neglectfully they are being treated.

I would definitely contact social services but try to focus on the definitely neglectful behaviour such as lack of nutrition, unsafe/unsanitary home environment, failure to get to school, lack of supervision. Try not to include the judgemental stuff about Sunday roasts and ironing...

It's hard to see what it would achieve sending that letter to the parents. Something more constructive would maybe help more.

Eg, we know you love your children, as do we, and from a more detached perspective we can see they are not getting adequate food, they are dirty, they are missing school. The bottom line is they are not happy.
Please can we help you to improve things for them. We could come round and help with a deep clean. We could help you meal plan for the week. Buy an alarm clock to help you get up in time for school. Whatever you think would help.

It must be impossible not to judge them terribly for being such monumentally shite parents but the children would benefit more if you supported them to make some changes. If they are capable of that anyway. Ultimately if the parents won't change and SS leave them with the parents then it sounds like you are going to be the only people who take proper care of them....

AndTakeYourPenguinWithYou · 11/05/2016 14:31

Social services will.filter out what isn't relevant

No they won't, because this tirade will get classed as an intefering stepmother who doesn't like the way her SS is raising his children. It will not be a priority for anyone, as it stands.

Afreshstartplease · 11/05/2016 14:43

A fair amount of stuff in your post isn't relevant

Many people on here post about kids that age getting up getting there own breakfast at that time. My 8 year old is more than capable but I have to get up with the 3 year old anyway.

My 8 year old can't tie laces, most of his friends wear velcro or slip on shoes too.

At 8 and 11 they should be able to eat without getting covered in food.

A lot of your comments are non issues. Focus on the actual problems and stop nit picking every last thing

Pixienott0005 · 11/05/2016 14:46

Custard isn't pudding? Really? I am seeing the bigger picture but that made me chuckle. Didn't realise that custard wasn't a sufficient pudding.

squizita · 11/05/2016 14:49

Quite As someone with (many years at work) child protection experience the reason why the stupid ironing stuff is annoying/problematic is:
-it detracts and distracts from real issues such as the dog feces.
-it gives the impression the OP doesn't actually know how to recognise good/bad parenting because they are noting trifles/opinions of taste alongside severe neglect issues.

Some of those things do not 'add up' at all because they aren't fucking problems! Not having roast dinners - let's take all the veggie kids into care!?! Un-ironed clothes - a NON issue, whereas filthy damp clothes are.
Also lack of understanding regarding age-appropriateness e.g. a 10 year old CAN be downstairs alone - and that's cited as one of the 1st signs of 'neglect'.

It is unhelpful and frankly weird that the dog poop stuff comes after a long list of random stuff.
Frankly I would expect even the most clueless/vulnurable person to have that at the top!

Essentially the letter does more harm than good, it puts severe concerns alongside nothings.

What is needed are 3 or 4 clear bullet points to the effect of: filth, parental emotional neglect, isolation, no regular schooling.