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How do you stop yourself shouting at your children?

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Keeponmovin123 · 03/10/2015 21:27

I used to think I was calm when it came to parenting but I'm starting to find that part of me has been replaced with a shouty/annoyed/dare I say angry mother?

My kids are 4.5, 3 and 15 months. I have shouted at all of them, including the baby, this week and I'm so upset with myself. I didn't use to shout and now that I have started in the last six months or so, I am finding it hard to stop. Admittedly I am tired and I know I have a lot to deal with, but I find the squabbling / general difficult behaviour / not listening hard to deal with. I know there are many years of parenting ahead and I'd like to break myself out of this habit now.

Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom or coping strategies so that you do something else other than shout? Once you become a shouter can you get yourself out of this phase?

Thanks in advance

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WhatsGoingOnEh · 07/10/2015 22:41

You're all so lovely and honest on here. For parents of little ones, PLEASE give yourselves a break. Toddlers are so back-breakingly irrational and fearless, just keeping them alive every day is an achievement, let alone fed and dressed and entertained. If you can do all that and never raise your voice... Well, to be honest, I doubt it can be done. But I'd love to be proved wrong!

Mine are older - 12 and 7 - and it definitely gets easier, a lot easier.

One of my flash points is when they just won't stop talking. DS2 talks non stop lately. But this thread (and Laura) has made me think that actually, something might be wrong in his little world. He started a brand new school in Sept, and he's definitely been clingier and chattier, and maybe a bit insecure, since then. I think I need to talk to his teacher. I talked to him tonight and he says he gets shouted at a lot at school. It's much stricter than his old infant school, and I think he's finding that hard. I'm quite surprised, as he has never been told off at school before.

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 07/10/2015 23:09

I'm so glad to read this thread and see I'm not alone :)

I'm finding it hard with my just turned 5 year old who's in Reception and 3.5 yo twins. Triggers are definitely leaving the house and the sheer level of noise-especially at mealtimes. I will be back but must get to bed to stand a chance at a calm day tomorrow!

SweetieXPie · 08/10/2015 07:18

Love this thread!
I feel so much better reading how many people are in the same boat.

I have got myself up 20 minutes earlier today to see if it can be a less stressful morning!!
We shall see? Been up for nearly an hour and no shouting so far x

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SausageSmuggler · 08/10/2015 10:16

I'm so glad for this thread, I often feel quite ashamed at how I speak to the kids sometimes. I have a 5yo, 3.5yo and 10 week old. I have found mornings ok but I've found I have to get everything ready the night before, lunches, clothes the lot. I also try and get us all ready to go 5 mins before we have to actually leave. Fingers crossed its working so far. My big trigger is the 3.5yo. She is very willful and defiant over just about everything and knows exactly how to push my buttons. I know the best tactics for her are to be playful or make it a race (if tidying up for example) so I try this as much as possible but sometimes these don't work either and that's when I end up shouting. Luckily because the 5yo is at school now I actually get some time with her while the 10wo is sleeping and I've noticed things are (very slowly) getting better.

avote4commonsense · 08/10/2015 12:49

I have had periods of being very shouty and feel deeply ashamed of myself. I feel like I am under pressure and am starting to feel tearful when I think about it.
I was shouted at a lot as a child and this is definitely my fall back. I used to be such a lovely mum initially but I do have very challenging spirited children that need a lot of work.

But now things have got worse pressure wise - I am hugely busy with a tough full time job and my husband and I have hit problems so its even harder.

The worst bit is that my son seems even more obsessed with video games recently and his attitude to me has become appalling at times. He never sticks to the agreed time and argues relentlessly about coming off the game and I am often undermined by my husband. I feel I am fighting battles on all fronts about what I want for my family and our values differ.

My husband is a workaholic and we both work at home. So we are also having some problems and the shouting has now extended to him aswell. It starts as more of a nag but then husband is v rude and barking and then I lose my temper and stand up for myself. Its awful. I just want to walk out on it all.

Because I understand the cycle on a lot of occasions I do keep a lid on it - and its easier when our nanny is around as I am more disciplined but also because I know that my husband will behave more respectfully when she is here. But when she isn't I have to bite my tongue of the sake of the children. I really don't know what to do. Sorry OP - I feel like I have hijacked your post with my own issues. Maybe I am example of what happens if you don't work out a way of managing things before they get to 8 and 11 years. Going off for a sob in between an email and my next work meeting:(

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glowfrog · 08/10/2015 18:10

aVote4 I'm sorry to hear about all your troubles, it sounds like a very stressful situation.

Have you considered counselling with your husband? You have to find better ways to communicate and he shouldn't talk to you disrespectfully. But I'm sure you know that.

I wish I had practical suggestions to make but if you are not on the same wavelength about discipline... If I were you I would be tempted to ignore Husband and if your son persist with playing beyond the time allocated after plenty of warning, you should unplug the console, take all relevant cables and keep him off games for a day.

If he does it again, do same and this time it's no games for 3 days.

3rd time will be a week. If there is a 4th time, chuck the console away!

glowfrog · 08/10/2015 18:12

Is there any chance you could take yourself away for a week for a break as well??

BlueChampagne · 08/10/2015 19:56

We should call ourselves the Hiccup Club, after the hero of How to Train your Dragon! He know there should be a better way to train them, other than the old way of shouting, if only he can figure out what it is!

Keeponmovin123 · 08/10/2015 20:08

Lots of activity on this thread and thank you for your suggestions and kind words.

Knowing that I am not the only one going through this and actually admitting I have a problem (i.e. my behaviour change) has helped. I've also started reading the Laura Markham book and while I don't agree with all that she has written, there are some good suggestions for managing your emotions and the rationale for doing so.

Carving out some time to yourself is so important and definitely something I should have made happen. I'm also guilty of not making life easier for myself and not seeking appropriate help until I am really stretched/exhausted/about to snap. We've also had lots of other things going on which hasn't helped the situation and looking after three preschoolers all summer long with no nursery was the icing on the cake!

What I didn't mention in my OP is that I decided to go back to work part-time so in the last week I have not looked after my kids for three full days. I'm not sure it is the right decision but at least I have had a break and will be putting what I have learnt from my reading in to practice tomorrow.

I hope others have picked up some gems or are at least feeling better about things after reading this thread.

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avote4commonsense · 08/10/2015 21:10

Oh Glowfrog thank you for listening- that meant a lot- really.
I will try again to persuade husband to talk or come to counselling. I asked him before but he was reluctant. It's ridiculous but the reason is always because we are so time poor. Work is the issue which causes us the most stress. We are in a catch 22- we need to make changes but never have time to discuss and make the change. Firefighting at its best! I will def try what you say about the iPad - it's driving me crazy- it worries me how so many 10 year old boys are interested in these games- they all appear to be online playing. ( different age- different problems!) I limit it to 45 mins after homework and now have said only 3 out of 7 days as he is so uncooperative. I spoke to husband earlier and he has agreed to support me with it. I also pointed out that a husband undermining his wife in front of his son isn't a great role model for him. I have to try to be more mature myself about the way I approach things- if I am honest I have got so resentful I end up making sniping comments which have got his back up. I do need a holiday.

This has been a great thread. It is such a good topic that needs to be discussed. Parental anger is something I have always felt rubbish about and my self esteem is low when I do it- it's the main reason why I feel failure as a parent. And yet I wonder whether me and others focus also on all the amazing things we do for our kids too?
I am going to read the Laura M book too. Thanks everyone for sharing your stories

Misty9 · 10/10/2015 12:31

Hope everyone is having a good Saturday. I think working part time is good for your mental health sometimes keep - I've also recently gone back 3 days a week and it's helped me appreciate my time with the kids more. Am about to increase to four days and feel quite torn as they're only little once - but I've tried to be a stay at home mum for four years on and off and I think I need to accept that it's not my strong point!

I also agree that parental anger is not discussed enough - including how natural it is to feel this way. I feel bad about shouting but I was never shown how to manage anger as an emotion when growing up, so I hope to not repeat that with my own children.

I've done some playing with them this morning and feel proud of myself for facing the fear! Need to work on my tolerance for reading the same book repeatedly/playing the same thing over and over though!

BlueChampagne · 12/10/2015 16:01

Misty9 I made it a rule early on that I wouldn't read the same book again when we'd just finished it, and it seems to have worked. At least it gives you a little break to read another book (of their choice) in between.

DriveMeMad · 12/10/2015 20:33

misty I'm no good at being home all the time either. We are all much better when we get breaks.

Things have been ok here. Not much shouting, and not much playing up. Though I constantly feel like I can't quite give either DDs what they need. I'm always so blimming distracted too which doesn't help. I keep hearing that it's important to be "present and available" as a parent and mentally I'm just not.

Doesn't help that DD2, at 15 months, hasn't/doesn't sleep through and is still breastfeeding loads through the night. So I'm tired. And tired of being tired. Any tips from anyone on how to get her off the boob and stop waking up at night?

Worryingly though I'm blaming tiredness every time I shout or am moody/lazy/angry and I wonder if perhaps it's just me, that I'm that horrid to be around regardless Blush

Something doing the rounds on FB earlier said something along the lines of "Children who don't listen to their parents are often children of parents who don't listen to their children" It was probably worded a bit better but you get the drift.

I need to engage more.

BertieBotts · 13/10/2015 12:55

Drive, look up Jay Gordon on nightweaning. I didn't use it personally but it was popular with a lot of my friends who still breastfed at that age :)

I think that facebook post is partly true, but partly bollocks, BTW Wink Honestly. It's true to an extreme - that if you totally disrespect your children as people, they aren't likely to have much respect for you. But although logic would make you assume the opposite is true, it's not. Being always respectful and nice and listening and making time for them does not magically make them respectful and reasonable and listen to everything that you say in return. I kept buying into this myth and thinking that every time I had problems with DS it was because I wasn't giving him enough time or attention or, yep, being "present and available" as you say. So instead of working out what the problem was (usually lack of communication, which includes the very important, clear communication of boundaries, and sometimes just developmental!) I kept beating myself up and trying to achieve the impossible of being 100% present, 100% available, 100% perfect - just no. It's not realistic and even if it were, it's not an enjoyable existence. How can you be a good parent when you're finding it tough to even just have fun? I kept going around and around in those circles and feeling shit and all the time I was trying to fix it in the wrong way and ended up having less fun, shouting more and I think that our relationship suffered as a result.

And I REFUSE to feel guilty about it any more, because you know, if you've got into a rut it IS temporary, and you CAN get the relationship back but you have to actually be honest with yourself about the parent you are and not try to achieve some lofty impossible aim and then get stuck in a cycle of guilt and handwringing over it. I don't try to be a great, 8/10 parent any more and end up being about 2/10, I try not to be a terrible one and somehow I end up about 4.5/10 - far off perfect but much better than before.

Under fives are really hard. If you have facebook, I can recommend one thing to you immediately which is to go and follow Andrea Nair. She's along the same lines as Laura Markham in approach, but she is not and doesn't pretend to be some kind of serene floating parenting goddess who has never even said "no" to her children. Scary Mommy is also good for a laugh but encompasses a huge range of parenting ideologies and might be controversial. Finding Joy is a page which is lovely but emotionally heavy if you're struggling within yourself - I relate to her posts a lot. All of these are also blogs with normal addresses and RSS feeds/email alerts if you're not into facebook.

The second thing you can do without any kind of preparation or learning is that every day at bedtime or after, if you struggle with bedtimes, is that you write down one thing you enjoyed doing with your children or which went well, made you feel in control, etc. Over time you'll notice a pattern and also looking for the positive helps you to focus on that and not on what went wrong or how terrible you're doing.

Much of the early years are about survival, so if you need to do some "less good" things in order to prevent you from hitting the "terrible" point, do it. No use making life harder for yourself!

MrsMarigold · 13/10/2015 14:30

My DS is 4 and my DD is 3, I get shouty sometimes, but it is awful because my DS says he when I shout I'm "scary mummy" which is an awful thought so I have been trying stop - thinking about him being frightened is a good incentive.

Sometimes I just take myself to "time out" - I've heard the DC saying "She's cross she has gone to her timeout place", but it gives perspective. It's a bit like a CBT moment.

I also find if I'm trying to get the ready in the morning and they are dithering - if they want to get into lego instead of get dressed, then I get dressed first put the lunchboxes by the front door and come back. Giving myself enough time helps too and being well prepared with a good routine.

BertieBotts · 13/10/2015 19:36

Oh and - I meant to add this earlier but I forgot Blush

Since it is ADHD awareness month, and adult ADHD (especially in women) often looks different to how people tend to expect, and can cause problems parenting (lower "trigger" point for emotional outbursts, difficulty in being consistent, general disorganisation, sensory overload) it's worth three minutes of your time to watch this video: vimeo.com/141104970

Of course, many of these can also be caused by tiredness, general stress and sleep deprivation, but I thought it was worth a mention. There is a support thread in the section Mumsnetters with SN if anybody wants to learn more :)

Misty9 · 13/10/2015 23:04

I just wanted to say thank you Bertie for your post - a lot of that resonated with me and you sound like you could put your own wisdom with that of the people you recommended! Tomorrow I will aspire to being 4/10 :)

BertieBotts · 13/10/2015 23:14

Oh, thanks Blush I keep meaning to write a blog to have one place to note down all the stuff I've learned - partly so I don't have to keep re-learning it myself if I'm honest! But I'm not very good at keeping up with things like that.

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 17/10/2015 21:54

Glad to see you on another thread like this bertie you're always so wise.

I'm still finding it hard with triggers being none of my 3 listening to me or being helpful, faffing when we need to leave the house, and fighting with each other. Oh, and the constant level of noise .

Current issue is the final bits if getting out of the door for the school run- my eldest started reception this time. 2 miles away. The dts couldn't give a monkeys about us being late and they won't come and get their shoes on etc. I end up being snappy, or shouting and being really irritable "come on get in your seats, quickly !!!"

I am going to aim for 4.5 tomorrow Smile.

daisydalrymple · 17/10/2015 22:11

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BlueChampagne · 17/10/2015 22:48

Quick kids app might help?

imwithspud · 18/10/2015 19:57

So glad I found this thread and have read it from start to finish. I have two dd's, one who is 3 next week and one nearly 5month old. I've found myself lacking patience and shouting more and more at my eldest lately, it's been a difficult year and of course with the new baby I'm just so tired. If I'm honest it's all been getting on top of me. I feel awful and I know I should do better, but she's at such a challenging stage where she wants to control everything and we do let her within reason. She's also dropping her nap which often means that come bedtime she's a demanding, over tired tantruming mess. I often wonder if me and dp were mad to have another, dd2 is a delight at the moment but we now know what's coming in a couple of years timeConfused

Can totally relate to a lot of what's been posted, especially the saying no to stuff because I can't be bothered, really need to work on that.

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