Grow old with me! The best is yet to be. Come and join the 40+ mums plus babies, toddlers etc in the snug where tea, cake and sympathy are being served.

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We are 40+ mummies sharing all the highs and lows of our autumn crocus babies. Also sharing tips and information (most crying is tiredness!) and jokes. Please join us!

None are so old as those who have outlived enthusiasm
You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely
It's sad to grow old, but nice to ripen.

PS this thread title was created by eagleray, and she also found the quotes.

Scarecrow, I was thinking of you at this minute. Huge hugs. I am here, we all are here if you feel like venting out. I know you prefer biscuits but I just took out some madeleines from the oven. Sending them to you.
I am in the kitchen waiting for them to cool down, DS wants them for his snack at school, sweet boy. I can hear DH snoring since 7pm. He has not even heard A crying at 8.15 so my first batch of madeleines is burnt...
Tomorrow is another day.

A fresh Madeleine sounds divine. Maybe with a coffee and your company in a sunny spot tomorrow morning ( wishful thinking!!)

Except I rashly got so fed up with my unusually unhealthy eating habits I vowed to eat no refined sugar for a year yesterday.... I used to be v sane about rubbish food - ate it sometimes but usually in reasonable quants and not too much. I seem to have lost that ability and there is far too much crap being consumed in my house these days. Nuts, fresh apple pies, cheese, roast lamb..these things are all fine to eat so have lots of lovely foods to indulge in (once I have devised a sugar free fruit crumble recipe!) And I have an exemption for going to other people's houses for meals as we don't do it so often it matters and I prefer to not be a high maintenance faddy guest!

I can't tomorrow but Tuesday if you want !

Although I doubt there will be any Madeleine left.

I was going to spare you boring vent but will feel better.... So yesterday we all drove to Birmingham NEC for a car show (his passion, def not mine) and met his old friend, and drove back and then I tidied and washed and cooked while DH looked after kids (we had friends for dinner) and did the night feeds...this morning I got a two hour lie in then took kids out, did lunch, settled for naps and slept with dd, then looked after kids and (note DH has been doing his own thing all day since half 9) later was about to drop him off to watch Grand Prix and do bedtime myself when realised DD's rabbits were still at my parents so I gave him choice and he brought T home for quick bath and bed (so he could at least listen to Grand Prix) while I drove back for rabbits, drove home, bathed dd and put her to bed. When I noted he had not put on a wash any of the three times I asked him he swore in irritation at the idea he'd have to wait for it to finish to hang out... That was the ONLY job I'd asked him to do.

There it sounds boring too! Feel free to skip to next post!

I will challenge you on this occasion scarecrow. Dh made me cry in mamas and papas today. .. like I get to shop there all the time. .. i was taking to long! !! Then they messed up the return (rosebud was given a lovely snow suit that would probably not fit her till March so I wanted to exchange it for something she would get more wear from) I wanted to have a lovely look around and choose with care. . and why was this a problem. ..... fucking FIFA

Hope bg is better today and all the other babies are sleeping peacefully tonight. Xx

It's not that I mind what I do at all, that's part of having kids and they are both being utterly lovely and I'm loving looking after them; it's the graceless lack of generosity I mind, the lack of reciprocal kindness in the general sense.

Okay, really am done. To bed!

X posts scarecrow. ... my dh has NO IDEAhow tthe washing machine works. Lol (or how the taps in the kitchen sink work) lol

He even complained his fingers hurt tonight. ... from playing ducking fifa!!

He asked if he could have a games console thing for Xmas (reminder he's Muslim. .. no Xmas) i told him I'd wrap it in his divorce papers. Lol

Evening all!

BBD the biscuits sound lovely, but remind me how much I've overindulged this weekend (DP has started calling me Fatty). I'm going to have to go running after nursery drop-off tomorrow, plus a Shred session I think.

Scarecrow hope you're ok

Ooh Knicky your night out sounds like fun, although exhausting! I'm dying for a night out, although is almost impossible to organise these days. 5.40am start sounds horrific - DD sometimes wakes at this time but after feeding I put her back in her cot, surround her with toys and run back to bed! Sometimes she goes back to sleep, but not always... Hope you're catching up on some sleep now.

Goat I hope poor little BG is recovering from his double-whammy illness now.

DD has been utterly miserable today. She's quite sleepy and off her food and her cheeks are burning red intermittently. Took her out this afternoon and she looked really sad and wouldn't make any eye contact, which was very unnerving. Then we gave her calpol this eve and she perked up quite a bit, after crying throughout dinner. While I've been typing this, she woke up so DP went upstairs to take a look and found her lying in her cot, one leg in the air, using her toes to fiddle with the controls of her new Rainforest music toy which is tied to the side of her cot!

Sleep well everyone

Rosie you can have the plastic sloth trophy. Didn't want it anyway Sorry. Dh sounds addicted, though ime such obsessions can pass after an early phase. He certainly does sound as if he is not upholding hos side of the marriage vows.... Am I being naive or could you discuss it?

goat also hoping strongly BG is improving strongly. Poor you too, you must be knackered.

Knicky hat tip for the dancing! Sounds huge fun. Sorry for wakings (I hate that feeling of having to pay extra for having fun). Hope babyKK settles more soon (does somerhing happen to disturb him at these times, eg milk float, bin collection, first train, central heating coming on)?

bbd enjoy those Madelines

eagle hope babyE helped by night's sleep, poor lamb. Also v much want that sling as have been pondering how good it would be to have him on my back. When can you use it to?

Vent alert. So baby KK waking at 11 for a feed then sleeps till 3.30 whereupon I usually find his nappy has leaked (stopped changing his nappy at the 11pm feed but looks like I''ll have to start changing it again) The venting is for me....I've got insomnia. The same happened with DD. I reckon I'm averaging 2-3 hours max a night and have done for 4 nights now. It's so frustrating when I can hear contented sounds of sleep all around and,I'm feeling desperate for sleep.

Thinking about trying those herbal tablets for sleeping - anyone tried them? Need to do something as am very teary today I think it's almost as if events from the past couple of months are catching up with me. In particular, worried about Mum and her diagnosis. Not sure I can bear to think of how things might progress. Lack of sleep can give terribly bleak thoughts.

Right, enough of this. Dust myself down as it were. Fecking s

Before pressing post should have said fecking sleep!! (actually maybe it's a good thing I pressed post too soon before I go on a tirade of swearing.....)

Hope everyone else is doing ok. Apologies for the me post..

Knicky you poor poor thing. I would not be at all surprised if events of last months catching up with you. I know people who have been helped by Kalms (or similar name). it might be worth talking to GP about it as they might suggest other good things you can try. Also if later you need more help they will have a track record? Do you remember what happened last time to help? Also could you also be worrying about anything else, like going back to work. It feels to me like you need somebody to talk things through with.
let me know if I can help at all: coffee, listening ear, brisk winter walk.... x

Hi scarecrow wonderfully wise words as usual. I think with my DD I just mar

Grr keep pressing post too soon....I think with DD I just kept going without help. This time, suspect a trip to the GP may be in order. It's so frustrating and not coping well today, very teary.

Kalms - that's the name I was trying to recall. A coffee and brisk walk at some point soon would,be lovely

Oh yes and you've hit the nail on the head with worries - going,back to work feels,me with dread. Have to go in this Friday and not remotely looking forward to it....it's no wonder my sleep is a bit affected...?!

Knicky, if you can, try to deal with one thing at the time. Sleep and rest should be your priority, I would think. Could you try to close your eyes when baby KK naps ? even 10 min would help.
I used to take Euphytose tablets when work anxiety was keeping me awake, but I wasn't BF then. Your GP should be your first port of call, mine always reminds me that, whatever I needed during pg, she was there, luckily enough, I have not had to see her since A's birth.
Re work, well, as you said, you will start hunting a better one. Atm, just go in, nod and leave. Once your exhaustion is dealt with, things wil be clearer.
Big Hugs

Scarecrow. ... He has been told!
Kk insomnia is horrible, I have it often. It is very much stress related. A few practical things that might help. .ok this is a bit out there and used normally with children but really helps me.... invent a sleep vehicle, I have 2. One is a big bubble that floats, is unsinkable and gains power in big storms. The other is an armer plated camper van. I choose which one i want to sleep in and start an adventure. I have had them both for years and have made many improvements :) ( they both now have a co sleeper cot in!!)
Or try getting up after about 1/2 hour of not sleeping and redo a bedtime routine. Another drink 10 mins telly or book brush Teath and try again.
How about a meditation app?? I used the hypno birthing when i was pg. Really helped.
Note pad next to bed, write it down and tell yourself you'll deal with it in the morning. ..

A brandy/whisky 1/2 hour before bed? (My grandma's solution for years)
Also find when all else fails telling myself that rest, laying flat under quilt is nearly as good as actual sleep.

Anyone up for a South West meet this week? ?

Thank you one and all for your suggestions.

Rosie loving the visualising idea - I think I was verging on that last night when

When....(the last post has an inadvertent dramatic pause due to me pressing post too early..again) I started visualizing a box all wrapped up, taking off the bow, and placing any worries,in there, retying the bow and leaving it. It did help and found I felt calmer. Love your ideas Rosie though (especially the brandy )

bbd thank you too for your lovely words, you are right, deal with the job for now, but know that I'm taking positive steps for getting out.

I'm feeling better as took DD to gymnastics class. Means I get 45 minutes to myself (along with DS) to have a natter with the other mums there .

I have a very unhappy baby :( days like this make me realise how happy she normally is. She was not herself this morning, crying loudly a lot and lots of bottom wind around 2pm a massive nappy explosion.... and they have continued all afternoon. (So Glad i didn't go to meet up! ! ) she's just crying all the time. Given calpol