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Unconditional parenting peeps - WWYD in this situation?

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substitutemycokeforgin · 11/02/2013 16:21

Or what would you have done, rather ... I know it's trivial in the scheme of things, but had a horrible situation with DD (7) yesterday. We were getting in the car to drive to a country park, she wouldn't put her wellies on as her siblings had done, but insisted on wearing her trainers. Recently she's been finding excuses not to wear her wellies, and wearing her trainers instead in all sorts of unsuitable muddy places and bringing them home a filthy wreck. I've had enough of this - she's not the one who has to clean them.

I said she could wear her trainers in the car but we needed to bring her wellies to wear in the park as it would be muddy. I don't think she really responded at this point, which was probably where the whole thing went wrong - I didn't get express agreement from her beforehand ... Anyway, cue arriving in the park, damp muddy day, and she refused point blank to put on the wellies. I explained that I wasn't prepared to wash muddy trainers yet again, shortening their life, when she has perfectly good wellies. We all wanted to get out of the car and into the park, including her, and I was urging her to think about it and do the right thing. I know she knew that by taking the wellies with us, that meant I expected her to wear them in the park. I tried to establish why she didn't want to wear them - made her legs uncomfortable, apparently, so I suggested getting long thick knee socks to avoid this, but she wouldn't agree to this either. In the end we turned round and drove home. I was calm with her and didn't shout, but made it clear what I expected her to do. But the day obviously didn't end well.

So I think I messed up, and I'm just looking for opinions/advice thrown into the ring here, really, on what I should have done instead without using bribes, punishments, rewards etc. Also, do you lovely UP people know of any dedicated forums for UP/AP parents? Thank you!! Thanks

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FunnysInLaJardin · 11/02/2013 22:39

freezing crazy and yy to new coat provided it is not that green one from Next that still fits me but that Bob wears at school, that would be HELL

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 22:40

So, let's get this straight. Your son refused to wear a completely fine coat so you went out and bought him another one?

You absolutely, genuinely believe this is good sane, sensible parenting? What lesson, precisely, has your some learnt from this?

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 22:40

Son.

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5madthings · 11/02/2013 22:41

Well that's fine if you can afford another cost but couldn't you just have got the other one back from cubs?!

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crazymazydazy · 11/02/2013 22:41

touche funnys! Smile

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 22:42

How many kids do you have funnys?

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exoticfruits · 11/02/2013 22:43

All very well if you can afford a second coat!

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Hullygully · 11/02/2013 22:43

funnys has 12, she is one of the Plymouth Brethren. I don't think she will mind me sharing that.

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exoticfruits · 11/02/2013 22:44

Cross posted- I would let him get cold until be bothered to get it back.

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 22:44

Then she must be very wealthy indeed or subsidised by her church.

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5madthings · 11/02/2013 22:45

Sorry beavers not cubs. But it runs once a week so a week where he would have got a bit cold or could have worn the alternative coat.

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colditz · 11/02/2013 22:46

Some people's children aren't lovely and they don't appreciate give and take. Ds1, despite being autistic, is my reasonable child, who will discuss certain issues and try to explain what the problem is.

Ds2 will scream until he's sick.

I am not an unreasonable parent, in fact I negotiate more than many, but I AM the parent, and whilst my children have their own mind, they don't have as much experience of life as I do. They don't know about chilblains, and ds2 refuses to believe me when I explain that the cold can injure you. He also refuses to believe there was a time before computers, he refuses to believe in evolution, and he refuses to believe in reproductive sex. Whatever, he's six, he doesn't have to believe in those things because he has me to believe in it accordingly and make him wear socks and boots in six inches of snow, rather than the crocs he is screamingly insisting upon.

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Hullygully · 11/02/2013 22:47

Her church is very generous, but as I understand it she does a lot in return. She does a lot of prayer work and preaches to those that want to hear the ministry. She keeps quiet about her good works.

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 22:47

Hang on, here you go, clearly why you bought your son a new coat! Shock

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

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Hullygully · 11/02/2013 22:48

That's St Paul, the Brethren aren't keen on him to be fair.

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 22:50

really? not what I've been reading.

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 22:52

They believe in the submission of women to men so anyone who believes and follows that bullshit line of thinking I wouldn't lower myself to engage with anyway, no wonder she kowtows to her male kid. Get him used to it for marriage.

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Hullygully · 11/02/2013 22:54

She is with a more modernist branch. They don't interpret scripture so literally, although yes, they do still put men first, although in reality women rule the roost in the home.

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 22:56

Men put first. End of any convo, end of any engagement. Obscene.

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Hullygully · 11/02/2013 22:57

It's not that simple though. You know where she is right now? Praying for Syria.

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substitutemycokeforgin · 11/02/2013 22:58

Hello, I made the mistake of going out to the gym earlier this evening and the thread seems to have continued a little bit in my absence Grin How remiss of me.

Hm, I didn't really want a debate about the virtues or otherwise of UP and apologise for posting something a tad inflammatory back in the far reaches of the thread, if that may have contributed to things kicking off. But they probably would have, anyway!

I'm not thrilled that we came home from the park and definitely feel I could have handled it better. Although we were in the middle of a big car park I guess I could've moved the car next to a patch of green and turfed the other DC out to play on it for 5 mins, in the hope that DD would catch up with herself and decide to do the welly thing. That's the kind of idea I didn't think of in the moment.

But whoever said that she won ... how is it winning, turning around and heading home from the park she was looking forward to playing in?! Nobody "won" yesterday. Lesson learned, will store it all up for next time.

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Auntmaud · 11/02/2013 23:00

It is that simple to me. And to the vast majority of intelligent, right thinking individuals.

Let's rephrase, Oh, whites come first but really the blacks rule the roost.
Still on the defensive, Hully?

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Hullygully · 11/02/2013 23:01

Are you in South Africa, Aunt Maud? Confused

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FunnysInLaJardin · 11/02/2013 23:02

lolling here. Just went to clean my teeth and suddenly I am a whole new being.

I have 2 children, yes I can afford to buy my son another coat, and no I'm not a member of any religious order. Although maybe I should be. And my son has learned that I won't blame him for his Dad forgetting his coat and I won't make him unhappy for no good reason.

Don't worry about the coat, we'll get it back after half term and then he will have two whole coats, plus the green one

OTOH what about the pope stepping down. I thought he was God in human form like. Is it OK for him to say he's a bit old to be Pope and step down?

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