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Parenting without punishments/rewards support thread

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BertieBotts · 15/07/2012 22:45

Come on, it's about time we had a new one of these Grin Whatever label you want to stick on it, unconditional parenting, gentle discipline, or just avoiding carrot or stick methods as much as possible in favour of a more co-operative approach, it works. (Personally I don't like the gentle label because I think that it's perfectly possible to be as firm as you like using these kinds of methods and "gentle" implies wishy-washiness.)

Not intended to be a debate thread, but a support/questions thread. Curiosity welcomed, outright "My way is better" posts not.

I promised a while ago I'd write up the basic principles that I try to stick to so hopefully this will help as a starting point as well as a reference.

1. Punishments are not always bad.
Sounds totally non intuitive, I know considering the thread title. The point is that punishment for punishment's sake is what's bad, or counterproductive, at least, but you shouldn't be afraid to do something which might upset your child if it's necessary to the situation. Try to ask yourself before you impose something:

  • Is this helping the immediate situation, or physically preventing the situation from reoccurring?
  • Is this helping my DC learn what's actually wrong with what they did?
  • Is this helping make things right? (NOT in an eye-for-an-eye way!)
  • Is this just to make me feel better?
  • Is there an alternative which would achieve the same goal with less bad feeling?

2. Don't take it personally.
When your child is playing up, it's not because they are out to get you, and it's probably not a power battle, despite what all the expert opinions seem to be. They are reacting in the way they are reacting because that is the best way they know to deal with that situation, whatever it might be.

Even if they've done something deliberately hurtful or spiteful, look for the reason behind that - it's more likely to be a misguided attempt to express an emotion, e.g. anger, jealousy, upset, and it's possible to convey "Actually, that isn't acceptable" at the same time as dealing with the feeling behind the actions - in fact it's often more important to deal with the feeling first and the action later, especially if you're feeling you want them to suffer, "pay" or feel bad for what they've done. You can't induce guilt by punishing, it's more likely to induce resentment.

3. Show them what you want.
Both at crisis point and in everyday life, so, again, something often considered a punishment e.g. time out can work well here as long as you aren't threatening it or attaching negative connotations to it - just showing them "You are angry/excited/silly/winding each other up and I need you to take a breather" until they can do that for themselves.

In everyday life - model the behaviour that you want. If you slip into something you don't want them to model, like shouting, apologise as soon as you realise even if it's after the fact. Respond if they ask you to stop shouting, and own it, don't make them responsible for it (by saying things like "If you'd just listen, I wouldn't have to shout". Grown ups screw up too, and they need to see you deal with that graciously if they are to learn to do the same.

Listen to their requests and acknowledge them (which doesn't mean agree) if you want them to listen to you, don't belittle their feelings if you want them to be empathetic, say please and thank you and sorry. Negotiate but be firm.

4. Be specific with instructions or praise.
Linking back to the UP theory that rewards/praise can be harmful, especially if they are too non specific, try to steer clear of "stock praise" like good girl/boy, well done, etc. It's fairly easy once you get into the habit of it - I tend to use "Thank you for..." instead of "good boy" and "That's right" or some kind of comment about whatever it is DS is telling/showing me rather than just "Well done".

With instructions it's similar - you can start even when they're tiny, not just saying "No" but "careful" or "hot" or "Don't touch" and when they get a bit older trying to stick to the positive instruction like "Stay on the pavement" rather than "Don't go on the road" - it's also more instructive since not being on the road could mean the kerb is okay, or the grass, or that little low wall (which might actually be okay but you can negotiate easier if you're starting from a position of nowhere but the pavement.) I suppose points 3 and 4 are linked. So again, focus on what you want rather than what you don't want. It can also help especially with toddlers to instruct in advance/tell them what to expect, e.g. saying a few minutes before you get to a busy road that when you get there, they will need to go in the pushchair.

5. Look past the immediate behaviour.
Why are they behaving in this way? Immediate points to consider:

  • Are they tired, hungry, hot or hormonal?
  • Are you any of the above and so over-reacting?
  • Is there anything else going on, even if it seems unrelated, that might be worrying them?
  • Are you assuming adult priorities onto a child who might find something more important or more scary than you do?
  • Have they got this behaviour from somewhere else?
  • Are your expectations too high?

None of these are a total excuse but should shape the way you deal with things. It's also why things like reward charts etc aren't always helpful because they don't address why something isn't happening in the first place.

(Sorry this is so long Blush)

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BertieBotts · 29/07/2012 21:58

Silvery are you the main carer and he WOHM? Sometimes it's just the fact that they're a novelty which means DC behave better for others and that can (frustratingly!) include their other parent. Or perhaps yours respond better to being direct? I suppose you'll know what I mean if you've ever tried being direct or emulating his way with them - my money would be on the novelty thing though.

Spitting I used to tell DS he was only allowed to spit in the sink and remove him to the nearest sink to spit, he started taking himself off there to do it, and then he got bored.

Biting... I don't know aside from constant supervision, redirection and trying to work out triggers etc and TBH I'm in the mood right now where I would just say screw it... try the reward chart, what harm can it do? Although I certainly understand wanting to try out some other options first, so hopefully you'll find some other suggestions here.

I like that prizing/praising thing Dita, it makes sense to me.

Silvery could you try prevention instead of it getting to the point where they're fighting and you want to punish? Limit their unsupervised time together, so try to spend more time doing things with them/you/DP/all of you, and/or find them some activities they can do apart which gives them some space. My mum was always separating my sister and I when we fought, drove us mad Grin but it worked. Just step into the room and say "Boys I can hear things are getting a bit heated, can you play nicely together or do you need to choose to do different things now?" and if they still continue to fight then YOU choose them separate activities, either put them in different rooms or get one of them to come and do something with you and alternate who it is so they don't feel "favourited". Perhaps more "I don't want to hear who started it, let's just not have any hitting at all" as well rather than the victim-aggressor kind of situation that's been happening? It doesn't sound like they're seriously hurting one another and perhaps removing this will take some of the rivalry out of it.

I read something a while ago which I can't find now about blame and how e.g. if there's a mess it's counterproductive to expend time and energy with the "Who has done this?" side of things and that it's better just to make DC aware that it's happened and that it's not okay and (assume positive intent) we need to be more careful when carrying things around, or (remind of correct behaviour) remember we only draw on paper, and look, we've got to clean it up now before the carpet gets stained. So it's factual, neutral and there's no blame which is making the child feel defensive and angry. They might feel guilty because they know it's wrong to make a mess but that's okay, and it's come from them and their interpretation of the situation rather than being imposed on them (You must feel guilty now. I am going to attempt to force you to by punishing you. Because that always works Wink)

In the thing that I read the only example they gave was finding a mess but I guess that the blame principle works for most things... I thought it might be relevant to some on this thread and also am struggling a bit with it at the moment as DS (3.9) seems to have come into this sudden phase of insisting "It wasn't me. It was the cat." and even if I say "It doesn't matter who it was, I'm just saying please make sure you do X instead" he will INSIST it was the cat. Which is, well, ridiculous, and also lying. Which is another thing I'm torn on, because I know it's kind of one of the big things in conventional parenting wisdom, that telling the truth is so important that most parents either come down hard on lying, or use this terrible-at-lies stage to convince DCs that they have a magic ability to know when they're telling the truth in order that they will be too afraid to lie when they're older!

So, obviously I don't want to encourage lying, but equally I'm not sure that either of the above strategies are particularly helpful because neither of them last into the teen years. Teenagers know their tongue doesn't turn blue when they lie, and they can usually lie convincingly enough not to get caught, or the stakes of getting caught lying are lower than the stakes of whatever they're lying about in the first place, so lying-management seems kind of... pointless long term. And also, it must be confusing to be four when they're both at the age of trying out their rubbish lies and also utter bluntness. How do you reconcile to a four year old that you must say "Thank you so much for the present Aunty Joan, it's my favourite" even if you hate it, and yet that you must tell the truth, all the time, to your parents? It's kind of inconsistent!

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ClimbingPenguin · 29/07/2012 22:03

I thought with lying (i) it is a phase and a good development sign and (ii) part of the problem is they don't understand the past is a fixed thing that can't be changed. In their heads, it is a story where you can read it differently (if that makes sense)

GauchitaOlimpica · 29/07/2012 23:38

Dita, are you me? Grin I feel exactly the same, and that's what I find I have to work on the most every day (not trying to make DD do as I say she has to do Blush) The control freaky in me would just love to take over ha! It's a daily job! I agree with the praise thing, that's how "How to talk" explains it, IIRC. Re. the reward chart, maybe try explaining you don't want DD to do things just because there'll be a prize at the end of the day, which is what will happen. You want her to understand why she can't do that/why it's not nice of her to bite others. I agree with Bertie, removing her from the situation and/or giving her an alternative option is a good idea. We tried that (and it worked thankfully) when DD started hitting us and DS as soon as DS was born. It was only a few weeks which seemed months but we gave her the option of going and hitting a specific place (one of the sofas) whenever she felt sad/angry/frustrated and felt like hitting others. Quite surprisingly she did it, the first times I had to point it out to her but she went and did it.

Bertie, agree re. blame. It only makes them feel scared of being told off and encourages lying. With DS could you try a "silly" mode? Something like "the cat, DS? Are you sure? Well, let's see what he says Mmm he says he wasn't there when it happened. Well, it doesn't matter. It was an accident and accidents happens sometimes, right?" or something along those lines. I'm not suggesting you start talking to the cat as a regular technique Grin but sometimes when I take things to the foolish side it breaks the cycle. Feel free to ignore though Grin

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GauchitaOlimpica · 29/07/2012 23:40

Gah, * which seemed like months

GauchitaOlimpica · 29/07/2012 23:44

(Feeding DS) Sorry, spotted another one: *accidents happen.
That'll teach me not to post while trying to watch the basketball Grin

Sparklyboots · 30/07/2012 00:43

Late joiner here, v pleased to find you all. Solving stuff etc. My DS is only 19 mo so I've not been thrown any major challenges yet - he's just too young. I really rate Unconditional Parenting, How to Talk..., and Raising Our Children... Most helpful and a bit revelatory to me is the permission- for want of a better word- that especially How to Talk gives for just letting your children have their experience. I'm careful to reflect and confirm DS (even if it's just 'you feel bad!' rather than very complicated emotional talk - thank you Simplicity Parenting) and astounded by the way people want to silence him when he cries - "It's okay!" or loudly point out aeroplanes or whatever to distract him. ATM I am acting as if my relationship with him is my business and everyone else's is theirs, but I do find it hard to bite my tongue when GPs are using very conditional/ behaviourist language. Actually, I started a thread about this a while back... would love to know everyone else's thoughts - how UP do you think your partner/ GPs/ significant adults need to be? Is it enough that you demonstrate unconditional love and support?

DS is quite assertive and we are just moving into the 'no' to everything phase. I try to solemnly accept his nos and have learned very quickly not to make a request when actually he has no choice (do you want to come to the market with me? etc.). I have been able to Playful Parent my way out of a couple of accidentally-asked-when-there-was-no-choice moments; by becoming mock-indignant and crying, "What do you mean, no???!!!" etc. He is of tantrum age, though, and very persistent. Touch wood, it's been fine in that it's always very clear he's having a worse time than I so easy to be compassionate.

Anyway, very much enjoying the discussion though wish I had more to add. And would love to hear thoughts on how you handle non-UP influences in your child's lives...

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SilveryMoon · 30/07/2012 09:05

Bertie Me and dp both work full time. Maybe the ds's are punishing me for it. I went back to work September 2010 (ds1 was 3 and ds2 was 6 months) after being a SAHM for 3 years. I then left that job in April 2011 as the travelling was too much, stayed at home for a few months and then got another job in September 2011.
Whereas dp has always worked, maybe they just want to punish me for 'leaving' them?
Yes, re the fighting. I do try to distract them by taking one of them to help me and by telling them it's time to do different things etc. We live in a 2 bed flat, so can be hard to separate them.
I think I def have to make the time to sit with them and join in more though, that is quite clear. They have lost the ability to entertain themselves without me I think.
I just find it hard because I work with children (I am an TA in an ASD school) all day, and sometimes can get really wound up at work (kids and adults) and then the minute I get home, my ds's hear the key in the lock and start crying/whinging before I've even got the door open. They come running at me "mum x just hit me" "but he pushed me first" "he touched my ds(of the nintendo kind" and I just want to turn and walk straight out the door! Blush
Dp works shifts so he is normally able to collect them from school.
Dp doesn't help around the house no matter how much I ask him to, he just sits on the sofa whilst I try to tidy, cook dinner, talk to the boys, sort out any rows, and so on. He'll just sit at the computer and occasionally call out to them to stop going on.
I just haven't the patience to do it all day every day iyswim.

It doesn't help that dp was raised in a family where children were not seen or heard. He says that when he was growing up, you were never allowed to take any toys downstairs to the family room. You played in your bedroom and that was it. That you did as you were told because you were too scared of what would happen if you didn't etc etc. This is a man who has not contact with his mother now and very little with his father.

I was raised a little less strict than do was but I still remember having the fear of my dad. My mum would often yell at me "you just wait til your father gets home" until the day he caught her! I got sent straight to my room and they had the biggest row which consisted mostly of my dad yelling "don't ever make me out to be a monster to my children"

My mum cried a lot when we were kids. She just didn't have the skills or instincts to control 2 children.
I always viewed her as not understanding me, that she didn't love me or want me, she always told me she wanted 4 children. 4 boys. and me her first born, a girl. I don't think I ever got over the pain of that.
She always seemed to be a lot softer on my brother but it wasn't until I was a lot older that I realised it wa\s because she was scared of him. He would throw things at her and break things.
I don't blame my parents for anything, they are lovely people who raised their children to the best of their ability and always did what they felt was right at the time.

I'm really trying to remember how things were done when I was small, because me and my brother must have fought, we must have rowed over toys, wemust have nagged at mum and done all the things my ds's do, but I really don't remember. I have vague memories of being ignored a bit I think.

Anyway, I'm rambling. I read quite a bit on that site that I linked, which all made sense, reminded me of what I believe etc and today is a new day. I hope to take a step back if anything happens and think before I open my mouth, to respond not react. We'll see.

SilveryMoon · 30/07/2012 10:20

Ok ok ok, I know I am slightly annoying Smile
but just want to talk about how I just handled a situation. (will use the first letter of ds's names to make typing easier)
J cried out and came to me in the bathroom. "mum L just hit me with his bat"
Me "oh. are you ok?"
J "no, because he hit me with the bat and he shouldn't have. It was all his fault"
L yells from the bedroom "it was an accident"
Me to J "well let's go to the bedroom, because it sounds like L wants to talk about it too"
Into the bedroom we go.
Me to L "did J get hit with the bat"
l "yes"
so I went on to tell them that bats are for outside play and do they think it''s a good idea to play with them inside.
They both said no.
I said "Ok. So shall we put the bats back and play with something else?"
Boys "No. We want to play with bats"
Me "ok. But remember bats are outside toys and if you want to play with them inside where there isn't mush room, you might get hit."
Boys "OK"
me "Is there anything that you want to say about it, because now's the time"
Boys "No"
me "ok. have fun"

Literally 2 seconds later L cries out "J hit me with the bat"
Same conversation all over again, but this time when I said "bats are outside toys and there really isn't enough room inside. shall we put them away until it's outside time?" L said yes and out his bat away.

Ok, so successful. But, it took a long time, and tbh, I don't really want bats played with inside, so I told ds1 (who wanted to continue with his bat) that he could do it in his bedroom.

Whilst typing this, they have just had another run in about the slinky.
L said "I'm going to play with slinky" so J ran ahead of him to get it first which really upset L.
Something in me (the nasty mother) wants to yell at J to stop being so mean and trying to upset L on purpose and that he can go sit on his own somewhere because I don't want to look at him.
I obviously would never say that, but I don't really know what to say.
End of tether stuff this is.

BertieBotts · 30/07/2012 10:43

Could you have suggested the first time that they play with them outside? It sounds like you're doing well with the empathising and getting them to think of solutions, but sometimes you have to spell things out. In this bit:

"Ok. So shall we put the bats back and play with something else?"
Boys "No. We want to play with bats"
Me "ok. But remember bats are outside toys and if you want to play with them inside where there isn't mush room, you might get hit."
Boys "OK"

You've basically said, yes, you can play with the bats inside as long as you know you might get hit. And then you also went on to let DS1 play with his in his bedroom, which undermines the whole "outside toy" thing.

Instead, it might have been better to say "Bats are outside toys, if you want to play with them, you need to go outside." (Or if you don't have outside space) "Bats are outside toys, let's put them away for when we go to the park later." and long term, perhaps keep the outside toys in a separate place than their bedrooms so they're not free to access.

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SilveryMoon · 30/07/2012 10:45

We don't have a garden so the only way they can play outside is if I take them and I was still getting dressed etc.
I don't have the room to keep them anywhere else.

BertieBotts · 30/07/2012 10:47

And actually it might be okay to let DS1 play with the bat in his bedroom if he's using it as a ramp for his cars or whatever, but probably not as a bat (well, unless you have big bedrooms), so explain why - there isn't enough room, things might get broken, people might get hurt - and where/when he can use it - in the garden, when we go out later, tomorrow.

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SilveryMoon · 30/07/2012 10:49

When I say stuff like that to them "let's put the bats away until we go outside later"
he goes on and on "I want to go outside now"
to which I respond by saying "well we aren't dressed yet and we have your friend coming over and then we are getting the bus to somewhere else so we will have to wait til later to play outside"
"But I want to play outside now! wwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa"
"We will play outside later"
"But I want to play outside now wwwwwhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa"
and so on until I scream "WE ARE NOT PLAYING OUTSIDE"
"why"
"because I said later"
it goes on and on and on until I end up shouting all day.
I really don't know what to do to break the pattern

SilveryMoon · 30/07/2012 10:52

Yeah, I told him we shouldn't play with bats inside because things could get broken and people could get hurt. he went on and said he wanted to play with it so I said in your bedroom because I don't wants my things broken.
I have been telling them for a long time that when I tell them not to do something it's because they could get hurt and I'm trying to keep them safe. They don't seem to understand it, so maybe they need to see it........is that awful

naturalbaby · 30/07/2012 14:18

I've got a lot of reading to do! We've just been on a fantastic family conference and the biggest thing I've got out of it is to connect and spend time with my kids, rather than focus on dealing with negative behaviour.

I reluctantly used a reward chart with ds2 and he loved it (and it got him potty trained after months of getting nowhere) but it was having a negative effect on ds1's behaviour. I'm still trying to work out how to redirect ds2's negative behaviour - he can get very angry and physically lashes out.

littlebluechair · 30/07/2012 15:54

Re. the bats, if they are outside toys, they are outside toys. Could you store them on top of wardrobe or something?

BertieBotts · 31/07/2012 08:37

I don't know if this would work but you could try interrupting the cycle with some of the stuff that's been on the thread already - reflecting back the feeling "You wish you could play outside right now." or giving wishes in fantasy like in How To Talk. You could say something like "I know, I wish you could play outside as well. I wish we had a really big house with a huge garden, that would be fun. Then you could play outside all day if you wanted to!" and see where he takes it. You could go onto listing all the games he'd play outside if he could play out all day, or go onto designing a fantasy garden with swimming pools and mazes and treehouses and all sorts. Or my latest one is to refuse to engage. If he's asking the same question a million times I say "I don't want to talk about this any more" although I don't know if that's UP or not... I suspect one of the ones which validates their feelings is more UP.

Sympathies though as I find I get into the same kind of cycles with DS and it's really frustrating.

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sommewhereelse · 31/07/2012 23:21

Silverymoon, perhaps showing a bit more empathy could help reduce that kind of repetition?
To "I wanna go out now" wail you could respond 'I bet you do, it's frustrating to wait, isn't it".

About refusing to engage, I think if you've already given a reasonable explanation and shown that you can see things from their perspective, it's okay to ignore the repetition and switch off.

wilderumpus · 01/08/2012 15:49

hey everyone! wow you are all so chatty :)

I bought simplicity parenting yesterday, am eagerly awaiting its arrival in time for my two weeks as SAHM to my toddler DS!

silvery you sound like you are being fab! must be so testing. I would totally agree with everyone's suggestion, though would add that with your refrain that the kids will go on at you about wanting to play outside and being tantrummy I would suggest absolutely empathising... and then ignore, ignore! you have said all you can, anything more is falling into a pit of negative attention seeking behaviour, winding you all up? how to talk has this in it i think. I overtalk too, I will say how it is, then when DS protests i empathise; then when he protests again (moving into tantrum behaviour as I know he knows the score and is trying to manipulate me) I will respond saying 'no, we aren't doing that, I just said bla bla'... and it winds me up having to repeat myself to his whining. Much better to calmly and firmly say 'i am not saying any more about it' and shut up! my DS wanders off then :)

I only have one DC though.

natural a conference sounds fab. And when me and DS are going through a negative patch (usually him picking up on my stress) I have to remember what someone on MN said to me once - cuddles and laughter sorts out all ills. I make time to cuddle and laugh (instead of working/cleaning/cooking etc) and it is miraculous.

Arg potty training is going backwards in my house! he isn't fussed what he does or where, and proudly tells me afterwards. We are too far gone for going back into nappies though. Hmmm. I am thinking a sticker reward chart might actually help although it goes against the grain for me. natural what kind of rewards did you do and after how many stars or whatever? maybe we will make our own chart and he can help?

naturalbaby · 01/08/2012 21:17

I'm really struggling to spend positive time with ds2, I spend most of my time with him dealing with the fact that I wasn't there to intervene and he lashed out at one of his brothers. It's just impossible to be there! Ds2 hit his baby brother twice today and I feel so lost trying to stop it happening.

We were told special time is just for that one child and you can't make any suggestions or try to direct your child, and it only has to be for 5mins once a week but I haven't been able to do it yet with 3 kids at home all day.

I don't know how I could have potty trained ds2 without stickers, and am really tempted to get them out to stop him hitting but am really resisting. wilderumpus I broke the day down into 5 sections and drew a chart so each day had 5 squares where he could earn a sticker for no accidents/all wees&poo in the toilet. I had to carry it round the house so he could always see it. The first few days were really bad but then it all fell into place.

littlebluechair · 02/08/2012 07:55

I'm having a struggle when out, regarding toy sharing. Ds2 is really distraught if someone else uses a toy he thought was 'his', this can totally ruin a whole event for him. I find it hard to be with him having a massive tantrum when to my eyes there is so much fun to be had! I have noticed I feel more frustrated the more invested I am in whatever activity, as tho it feels hurtful that ds2 isn't enjoying something I thought he would.

wilderumpus · 02/08/2012 11:03

natural that sounds so stressful for you. I don't know how to help at all as I only have one DS but I know the other ladies will have some fab advice. Thanks for the sticker chart advice! I think my DS would respond better to stickers for having done a wee as getting him to the loo is quite tricky atm, he doesn't want to leave his fun. Interesting what different children 'get' though isn't it?

little I know how you feel, my DS is going through this stage too. I find it pretty tricksy but from the wonderful objective viewpoint of being at my computer, sans child, I can say that my ideal response to this is to totally empathise with his breakdown and give voice to his feelings, BUT tell him gently that he has to be patient and wait his turn. I offer cuddles to help DS with his big feelings of frustration and impatience while he waits and after a bit of this 'touch-time' he generally will get down and do something else/wait his turn. If he still wants to tantrum then I would let him, as really it is a big learning curve, but as long as he knows you are there for him and his feelings are acknowledged I think this is fine to leave him to do that. Sadness and big feelings are one thing, but manipulative tantrums to create a shortcut to his turn are another!

i am sure you don't, but the last thing I would do is berate/chide him for being upset or tell him how he is wasting such lovely playtime etc, this will only make them feel less understood and more cross I think.

anyway, off with me! Am whittering away!

sommewhereelse · 02/08/2012 11:11

Littlebluechair, if you don't already do so, you could also remind him before you go to such events that the toys are for everyone.

ComeonComeon · 02/08/2012 11:29

Can I ask wise UP types a question? I want to follow UP and will get some reading done asap.

But now, I have my first situation with 7mo DS of him wanting to do one thing and me wanting him to do something else: he is very wriggly, rolls over a lot and has just started crawling (eek). When I change his nappy, he will not stay still! He struggles and struggles to roll and escape.

So far I have tried giving him a toy to hold to distract him (good but not so good when he dunks it in poo) and (mostly Sad ) holding him still with my hand on his tummy, resulting in him getting frustrated and first signs of actual anger from my little sausage!

Any tips?! He's so small and already I'm struggling with discipline over such a tiny thing! Confused

xMinerva · 02/08/2012 13:01

Hey, can I jump straight in?

I've noticed simplicity parenting mentioned a couple of times so I downloaded it.

I'm about half way through and really enjoying it so far.

The dc (3yrs and nearly 2yrs) are having quiet time by candlelight at the moment, they are actually working together to build a train track rather than one building and the other trashing.

Which is also my cue to put the iPad away and sit with them so I'll be back later to join in properly.