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[CaptainNemo]

Come on over animals, I think we'll be very comfy here

Oh Marbles and Murray I'm so sorry things are so crap for you both...

Marbles did the gp suggest actually DOING anything or are they just saying its down to the lupus and nothing they can do? Friends of ours got an nhs referral to Lesley Regan at St Mary's in Paddington, I know it's a LONG way from you though... The other place I've heard talked about a lot is the Liverpool Women's Hospital, or is that where you go already? Have you read Lesley Regan's book on mc btw? I found it v helpful. Actually might not be a bad idea for you too Murray, I bought a used one on amazon, think it was only a couple of pence plus p&p....

Murray I've already said I don't know how you're managing with the bumps at work, I really did not cope with pregnant women AT ALL after we lost T. It's funny what other people can go through without you knowing though. When I was pregnant with DD we went to see a solicitor DH knows, to do our wills. I had no idea at the time, but turns out she and her husband were going through ivf at the time. No way would you have realised there was any issue during the appt, she seemed fine, professional, chatty etc, but DH had lunch with her a week or so ago and she told him she was so upset at seeing me pregnant that she had to take the rest of the day off She now has a baby, just back from mat leave (Though she nearly died during labour so can't have any more )
Am rambling now, sorry...
How long is your cycle normally? I'd say wait til you've effectively missed 2 periods then get in touch with your consultant and ask for a scan so they can have a look what's going on... Can you bear to wait that long? How many days is it since the mc now?

I second Buddha's comments about acupuncture. Think it could really help both of you, both emotionally and physically. And Murray it can def be good at luck starting things when you're waiting for af... Just a thought...

Lots of love to you both xxxx

Bloody iPhone, just lost big post for marbles. Basically B100 is a good idea as is baby aspirin. Also D3 is something that women with history of MC often lack , you can buy it from health food shops (better than simple vit D). I have a link to a great website, will pass it on tmrw when on laptop. Big hugs and well done you for taking positive action xx

Nemo, thanks mrs. I have Lesley's book on pg, may see if can get it on amazon/eBay. Did you mean that acupuncture can help restore cycles ? May try that next. It has now been 8 long weeks and no sign of a thermal shift. Consultant said wait another 8 weeks. Am just pissed off waiting. Have had such a low day, hopefully back a bit chirpier tmrw xx

Big hugs to Marbles and Murray, what a horrible day for you both yesterday Glad the GP took you seriously Marbles but that nothing concrete is happening, so frustrating. Can't offer much advice but I would also recommend acupuncture, I had it after my mc and if nothing else it felt as though I was actively doing something to help my body get and then stay pg. I had it throughout my pg with E and it really helped. Murray at all the bumps around you. That must be so hard. After my mc I just couldn't bear to be around pg women either (and my best friend was pg at the time, due just two months before I would have been ). I have a copy of Lesley Regan's book which I no longer need, if you email me your address via FB I can post it to you. Acupuncture helps to balance everything so it should help to restore your cycles. Try to find someone who has experience of dealing with pg issues if possible.
Hope everyone else is OK apart from being a bit bleary-eyed (seen the posts on FB!) we've been having great fun in the snow over the past couple of days. Shame it's melting now
Have a good day all x

Impala thank you so much for the offer of the book, I will pass you adress via FB

Buddha you were right that I am def putting pressure on myself to be PG by EDD - I just don't know how I will cope with April if not PG or at least in with a chance. I know deep down that it would be better to relax and just let nature take its course and what will be will be etc... sadly being chilled and patient is not in my repertoire !

Am way happier than yesterday although started the day quite tearful - things have improved as v busy at work so kept my mind off lack of ov.

Marbles how are you my dear ? If I were you I'd definitely have a good read of the link below and gen up on the best foods to eat/avoid to help prevent MC. At least this way you know that you are doing everything in your power to prevent MC. There are also snippets of research related to TTC and I also recall reference to lupus - so def worth a look. Taking positive action will definitely make you feel better as at least you can feel a tiny bit in control xx
sites.google.com/site/miscarriageresearch/vitamins-and-miscarriage/vitamin-d

How are you other lovely ladies ?

hi ladies

thanks so much for the well wishes and support you lot are wonderful
very heavy bleeding today so hopefully things will clear out quite quickly and DH and i can get down to business very soon i have started the B100 complex today and i am going to have a look at the link you have posted murray (thankyou for posting the link esp as you are having a much harder time of it than me {{{hugs}}})

how is everyone else?

Marbles and Murray forgot to mention yesterday that I also found Maggie Howells's Natal Hypnotherapy CDs very useful after my mc. In particular the one entitled Preparing to Conceive. Don't know if you're into relaxation/visualisation techniques but here is the link: www.natalhypnotherapy.co.uk/7.html
Hope everyone is OK, it's very quiet in here tonight! I know Frazzle is out sampling cocktails judging from the photos on FB but where is everyone else??

hi

anyone about? im stuck in work and want to go home

its the EDD for the MC i had in july2010 today feeling a bit sad that i would have had an almost 1 year old now if all had panned out

ahh well such is life...

marbles how are you today ? I can only imagine how sad it must be to have another EDD pass with no baby
Did you have a chance to read this link I posted ? what action are you planning to take ? onwards and upwards mrs xx

impala thank you so so much for the book which arrived yesterday and the lovely note
I only got it late last night as spent the entire day at Scotlands top spa (with thermal outdoor pool !) It was such a fab day just what I needed to chill me out Afterwards my friend and I indulged in a few cocktails and vino so it was a late night

apologies for zero punctuation again new laptop on its way thank goodness !

where is everybody ?

I am looking forward to getting stuck into the MC book impala thanks again I am so impressed at the speedy delivery I would have taken days if not weeks to get round to sending it ! It truly is much appreciated xx

nemo how is your blue bump coming along ?

Afternoon

murray I read the link and reported it on the mosh pit thread too as it was rather interesting! I have bought D3 and started it last night and I have been taking B100 for a few days thank you so much for the link. I really appreciate it how have you been getting on? I feel like I have been wallowing in mememe land and have totally neglected everyone else I'm in PMA land now so I will be a better zoo pal I promise

Hello animals Not much to report but thought I'd touch base.

Marbles for EDD. I've not been through it nearly as many times as you but I'm incredibly squeamish about working out EDD for that exact reason. Didn't find out what it was this time til 12 week scan, and only cos they put it on my notes, would rather not have known even then... Not that that will be much comfort to you now Hope the bleeding is easing off now? xx

Murray at spa! Honestly believe days like that are good for the soul so am glad you enjoyed it. You certainly deserved it after everything you've been through. Have you thought any more about acupuncture? Really think it could help, not only with emotional support but with getting your cycle back on track. Second Impala's comments about finding someone with experience treating pg/mc.
So nice of you to ask about bump, am sure it's the last thing you want to hear about really. Suffice it to say, am getting FAT (cake not bump) and think an finally feeling movement, though not loads. Saw MW on thurs, all seemed fine.

Impala have you still got snow? We've had none here! It got pretty close to us, I was in Winchester this morning (for an acupuncture appt funnily enough - which has totally wiped me out, but in a good way, am sooo sleepy) and there was still snow on the ground there. Bet DD loved it!

Can I get your opinions on something please ladies? Can't remember if I've mentioned it already but am quite anxious about how big this baby will be... DD was 8lb 9oz, boys are generally bigger than girls and 2nd babies are generally bigger than first... so I'm thinking about 1.5 stone?!? I had a 3rd degree tear with DD, so gawd knows what state I'd be in after a 10lb baby. Am also quite worried about the shoulder thingie that the baby on OBEM had this week, basically the head gets out but the shoulders get stuck. Can be VERY bad news. It wasn't OBEM that made me worry about it, I was worried already! I mentioned to my doula that I was concerned about the size of the baby and her main suggestion was to cut right down on carbs (prob my main food group atm) and eat more fat and protein. I wanted to know what you thought about that? I think I'm basically not going to do it... It would be completely foreign to the way I eat, I'd find it easier to go veggie than eat loads of fat and protein. I mentioned it to the lady I see for acupuncture and she asked about my blood group. I'm an A, which she said could be why I struggle with too much protein/fat. I ordered the blood group diet book on amazon (for 1p plus p&p!) which is pretty interesting and basically says the same thing. But after all that I'm still worried about having a 10lb baby who gets stuck and/or rips me to shreds.... I hope you don't mind me posting about this on here, given what everyone else is going through I'm not on any other threads atm, gave up on the June thread as it's SO enormous. Anyways, any advice/words of wisdom would be much appreciated, even if it's just to tell me to shut up and stop worrying about things I can do nothing about!

xx

Hi Nemo lovely to see you back. OMG you poor thing worrying about the birth after you had a 3rd degree tear last time - eeek !
I saw OBEM and had my heart in my mouth - it was dreadful - especially the expressions on one of MW's face ! It was so obvious she thought the baby had no chance . Anyway, having watched that I fully understand why you are so concerned about similar happening - I assume the arm getting stuck is more common in larger babies ?
As for the diet thing, could you cut down on carbs and introduce some extra non-meat protein into your diet ? I don't know much about it but surely worth a try to avoid huge baby. Is there a case for CS, or would you rather avoid that ? I really don't know what else to suggest - hugs xx
oh and yes am off to investigate acupuncture - thanks xx

Where IS everyone?!?!??!?!?!

Wanted to come on and moan about my bloody awful valentines day . Am sure my next husband will be less of a tosser better at it.....

Hope everyone is ok xx

Sorry for being AWOL E has been poorly and I've been poorly since Friday went to gp Monday she said virus but ended up in hospital at 2am unable to breathe due to pain in side. After lots of tests X-rays etc decided its a nasty chest infection, had anti sickness drugs, saline as dehydrated (throwing up non stop for 3 days) and anti-b's by drip was able to come home this morning feeling a bit sorry for myself so come on Nemo tell me about your not so "d" h make me

Marbles how are you doing my lovely? Sorry about your edd anniversary especially as you've just had another mc it brings it all home.
murray how's the obsessive regular temping going? Any ov signs yet? I'm gutted as ov due anytime so will miss out this month I'm impatient too!
nemo I'm not surprised you are worrying about birth after "that" plus size of baby have you made a decision about food/diet yet?

Hope everyone else is ok?

hurray some activity again thought i had killed the thread !

nemo come on spill about valentines day and cheers us up we do not do valentines so no disappointment here as i always say it is like valentines day every day in my house _ AS IF !

Buddha poor you being so poorly _ is there no way you are up to a BD ? i feel your pain missing the egg boooo

no ov here ten flipping weeks grrrr I have emailed an enquiry about acupuncture so hopefully that will help when i get started please tell me it does not hurt so far everyone i have mentioned it to is quite surprised as i HATE needles ! is it a bad move ? i figured it surely doesnt hurt if people fall asleep during the treatment ! Have been getting loads of mild crampy feelings and plenty of we for daaaays but still temp stays low booooo Am so fed up with my body tricking me now that i no longer get my hopes up every morning which is good as the disappointment was getting me down

hopefully have new laptop and puncutation soon xx

hello to the absent ladies _ where are you ????

we is EWCM stupid keyboard wont allow me to delete now !

blardy norah buddha how awful!! glad they have let you home now and you are on the mend

nemo i would maybe ask for growth scans etc on the basis of the 3d tear. its pretty much the only thing i worry about re:birthing in the future as i had a 2d tear and DD was 8lb 12oz. apparantly rubbing baby oil/bio oil/vaseline on the scar tissue/pereneum can help avoid a tear during crowning so maybe get going with that (or ask DH to do it in punishment for the Vday disaster you hint to though if hes anything like my DH he would jump at the chance)

murray how are you feeling lovely? did you start temping/TTC? (need to read back in a sec as my brain is seive-like)

where has everyone else disappeared to?

DH and i are at it like the proverbial bunny... the vitamins seem to be doing the trick as i am on CD10 and have had EWCM already so with any luck i may have a more "normal" cycle and we may catch the egg...i am officially back in the TTC saddle

oh there you are murray so AF is still AWOL? your consultant said he would help did he not? i seem to remember frazzle had to take something or other to bring AF on when she was TTC J from the GP(?) i know its not the same situation but maybe it could be the same medication? hope she arrives soon...

Oh boo Murray that sounds so frustrating. I thoroughly recommend the Lelsey Regan book though, really informative and supportive. Made me want to have her as my doctor. I've heard good things about acupuncture too, but it might take some guts on your part in you don't like needles!

go marbles fingers crossed. I admire you getting back on the TTC horse (ahem) time after time. I hope this time is the one for you.

Nemo I have to say I would be sceptical about the food thing, I can' imagine it would make more than maybe a few pounds different and you could have the hassle of changing you diet dramatically for no benefit. If it helps both my boys were exactly the same weight.
TMI time. I did do perineum massage for both my births from about 34 weeks. I didn't have any stitches and when my MW with no2 found this out she asked me if I had done the massage. She really seemed to think that it makes a difference. It's not very pleasant but if it helps it's worth it.

We have had a nice quiet half-term. Off to see the priest about getting E baptised this afternoon. Even though he's really nice I still get nervous - stupid

Helllooo ladies - where are you all ?...

Marbles how is TTC going this month, are you at the fun part ?

MummyLtd how did appt with priest go ? Do you have a date for baptism ?

frazzle well done on half marathon - am very impressed !

nemo how are you feeling missus ?

Moomin long time not chat - what is the latest with you ?

well... drum roll please....... my temperature rose for 3 consecutive days so I have offically ovulated - whoopppeeeee ! What a relief to finally get back to normal . I still plan to go to acupuncture to keep things on track as I believe first few cycles can be a bit hit or miss after MC. So, in a few weeks I'll be joining you ladies on the TTC rollercoaster ! Huurrraaayyyyyyyyy!

hi

murray thats fab news about the Ov!! how are you feeling?

hi everyone else!

DH and i have been having ALOT of SWI time! in fact i am on CD15 now and i have sexed up DH 8 days out of 10 we are planning to continue until at least the weekend too so i will be rather in need of a lie in on sunday the D3 and b100 seem to be making a difference too as i have had rather more EWCM than usual and also had Ov pains (i think) on saturday! im not temping so SWI is continuing until i am past my latest Ov date (CD22) but if i did Ov sat that would make AF due around CD25 ish...only time will tell!

Sorry. I've been shit, quite frankly. Been a bit self absorbed lately and properly down in the dumps, although don't really feel justified when there are people with real problems.

Still... I came back!

Marbles Man you've been through the mill with TTC and I'm so sorry you've had to go through so much shit with it all. Lupus? Is this a recent diagnoses? I don't remember you talking about it before? I've no idea what it is

Murray Huzzah for an egg release! Must be a weight off your shoulders? Acupuncture sounds like a plan. I've never had it but I've always been interested and would definitely do it if I knew it would help.

Nemo Book in for a roof top birth! Seriously though, I'm not sure there's owt you can do is there? Some people just have bigguns. You're quite tall aren't you? Is DH tall too? FWIW C was 9lb 12 (12 days late but still...) and J was 8lb 5 (three days early). But then I had sections.... C did get stuck trying to come out ear first!
Don't start cutting things out of your diet. You'll be miserable!

I'm still high from the race on Sunday. It was such an amazing experience. They always are. I got through it in 1hr 48 minutes but my time was re-adjusted as the race was half a mile too long so I actually got through it in 1hr 45 mins! A whole 12 minutes shaven off my PB V happy.
Although I did a silly thing and emailed Spam that evening. We are both obsessed about running and always really support eachother on races and training. Not having him around was really hard. I just said I'd been thinking lots and valued our friendship when none of the other shit was going on, that I missed having his support and that he'd have really enjoyed the race. I said it'd be nice if we could do Cardiff and Bristol together seeing as we're both signed up for it. Then saying I hope we can patch things up for friendship's sake.... That was Sunday night and I've not heard back
I'm such a loser.

Hope you're all having a good week. I'm trying to distract myself as I've been eating a disgusting amount of chocolate and sweets over the past few weeks. I've spiralled out of control and can't seem to get back to normal again. Just craving utter shit. I'm sure I'm going to give myself Diabetes eating too much sugar (is that possible?)
I've started today cutting down on portion size and avoiding sugar as much as possible. If it wasn't for the junk in between meals I actually eat very healthily but I have too much of it. Always porridge for breaky but I'm not satisfied unless I have a tonne of it! Lunch is half a carton of fresh soup and two slices of rye toast but I'm always on the look out for something else and this goes on all afternoon. I think it's boredom. Must keep busy busy busy!

FRAZZLE!! nice to see you

FWIW you are NOT a loser!! hes the loser!! extending the hand of friendship was a very decent thing given how he has treated you. He is a moron for not answering you and (you already know this) you are better off without morons in your life my sister and i are coming to london for the weekend in july i think so i may have to make to trip to thw SW area for a coffee (S may be coming as we are going to the harry potter exhibit so we could meet and take C&J? theres AAAAGGGEEEESSSS before then ATM though so we will see

Thanks Marbles Still makes me feel like an utter fool for giving a shit.

I'd love love love to see you and S! Just make sure it's not the last weekend in July as we're off to Camp Bestival (that reminds me, must book tix!)

Murray Fantastic news that you have finally ov'd and without any help just your clever body I think it would be a good idea to still do the accupuncture at least it will ensure everything stays on track and relax you a little
Nemo You never came back to fill us in
Marbles It's great to have another ttc buddy sounds as if your right on track this month, can you remind me what vitamins you are taking?
Mummyltd How did it go with the scary priest
Frazzle Congratulations on your improved PB well done you! Have you heard anything back from spam yet? Your contact was made with the right intentions but I'm sure he doesn't deserve it. It's so hard to forget/ignore them these "men" have a way of weedling into your head and not shifting! Sounds as if chocolate and sugary stuff has been your distraction, all sounds so familiar! Take it easy on yourself you've been through a lot

Well I'm finally starting to feel a little more human but absolutely gutted that we missed the egg this month Being so poorly has really made me rethink the whole ttc/pg thing as I'm so worried about being sick sick sick again and then not being a very good mum to Ewan I know it's only temporarly but having thrown up for 4 days constantly I so don't want to jump into that again. I know someone will say every pg is different but in all 4 pg's that I've had I've been sick as a dog! God that sounds so selfish!