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Is this as unacceptable as I think it is?

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justlookatthatbooty · 18/01/2011 21:46

Picking up my 2DC's from Nursery yesterday, getting their coats on, a 2 year old child threw up in the vicinity. Another not yet really talking child,maybe just about 2, waiting for his mother, curiously tottered over to take a look.
The only supervising adult present totally flipped and started yelling at the tottering child most agressively. It was totally over the top, he literally flipped out. It was shocking. The child wimpered and cried into the arms of another mother at which point the supervising adult (assistant of owner who had left early) pulled up a child's chair and slammed it down infront of the crying child and slapped the palm of his hand down on it with a massive smack and shouted with real rage "There, sit there, DON'T COME NEAR THE PUKE, GET AWAY".
It all unfolded in a really fast whirr of intimidation and I realised too late that I should have intervened and done something, but I didn't and there was much flurry with puke cleaning and crying children. I am absolutely cursing myself for not doing something... it just happenned so fast.
What to do now?

I talked it over with my partner and we decided I would talk to the owner at pick up time. So I checked that the kids were not alone with him there today and decided to talk to the owner of the nursery about it at pick up time but again she had left early.

I arrived to find my just turned 3 year old son had spent 5 hours sitting in his buggy (he was asleep when i brought him there and after some deliberation decided to let him sleep and let the owner help him out of his snow suit and buggy when he woke up).
He had peed himself and had spent god knows how long sitting in his buggy in his peed-in clothes.... he was still sitting there when i arrived to pick him up. I was aghast. He told me, he hadn't eaten anything and when i confronted the angry assistant from yesterday about it, he said that DS hadn't wanted to get out so they left him there. I appreciate that no-one applied physical force to him, but if there were not able to co-erce him out with raisins and nice things and cuddles and whatever, then surely they can't have been trying hard enough and surely they should have phoned me? Or am I overreacting? What's normal here? Help!
I feel like I can't trust 'angry man' after the outburst and am most upset to find that my son spent from 1030 til 3.00 (he did sleep til 1230) in his peed in clothes in the buggy in the lobby and no-one called me or checked if he had peed himself. No one called me to say he's been sitting there for more than 3 hours now, come and get him. Is my incredulous reaction unreasonable about either the angry episode or the whole day in the buggy?
I feel like immediately removing both children from the place and lodging a complaint. By the way, I'm not in the UK, but am very much in regulated territory when it comes to childcare. perspective anyone?
feeling most upset.

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activate · 18/01/2011 21:48

I would remove them and lodge a complaint

Bellie · 18/01/2011 21:49

wow - I would not take my children back there. If it feels wrong it usually is wrong.

tinierclanger · 18/01/2011 21:50

That's appalling. Take them out.

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earwicga · 18/01/2011 21:51

Personally, if this was me I would contact whover the equiv of social services you have there as they would presumably regulate the nursery.

I wouldn't take my children there again either, I'm not surprised you are uset at all.

iheartdusty · 18/01/2011 21:51

Outrageous. Totally unacceptable. That's my perspective. I agree, remove your children and complain.

CarGirl · 18/01/2011 21:52

That's awful, I wouldn't be returning my child there.

Just10moreMinutes · 18/01/2011 21:52

Not surprised you are upset - absolutely terrible! Your poor little boy.

There is no way I could take my DC back there again.

TheSkiingGardener · 18/01/2011 21:52

That's dreadful. Remove and complain!

piprabbit · 18/01/2011 21:53

The puke incident alone would have made me Hmm, but willing to accept that there may be some explanation (especially if there had been a lot of puking going on, or children dabbling in puke, earlier in the day).

However, leaving your DS strapped and unsupervised in a buggy for 4.5 hours without food or water is 100% unacceptable and I would be removing my children and reporting the incident to the owner and Ofsted (BTW am assuming you signed your child in so that there is no way they can claim that they were unaware of your child's presence in the lobby).

justlookatthatbooty · 18/01/2011 21:54

oh my god
now i am crying
reading all your reactions
my sweet babies
i'm an expat
and very much alone in terms of community
don't really understand the culture here
and miss britishness
thanks everyone
feel absolutely emotional
that I ever took them to the place
it all looked so great for the two months they've been there.
Shit

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lisad123isasnuttyasaboxoffrogs · 18/01/2011 21:57

I wouldnt leave them there, I would seriously write a complaint. You know your son, would he seriously have sat for 3 hours in his buggy in wet clotyhes??
My girls certainly would not!

justlookatthatbooty · 18/01/2011 21:58

Oh no, he wasn't strapped into the buggy. I didn't mean to give that impression.
he got in and out of his own accord they told me but never strayed from the buggy, which tells me he must have not been happy there. he was upset to find that i wasn't there when he woke up and kept saying that wanted to do "The Happy Wave" which is our way of saying good bye without trauma, which he's prone to. Jesus. I should have just never left him there, ever at all. It's a "quality" place.

And there hadn't been any puking, the angry adult was utterly surprised, He even said something innappropiate like...." Ehhhh? How come you're puking, what are you doing that for?" to the puking child.
It looked like huge wave of personal frustration and pain came pouring out, the rage I mean"

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neolara · 18/01/2011 21:59

That's completely shocking.

If I was you, I would never, EVER take them back there.

ladyrose27 · 18/01/2011 22:01

Contact OFSTED immediately, remove your child immediately and inform the mother of the child who was shouted at. This is totally unacceptable.

Ladyrose

TragicallyHip · 18/01/2011 22:01

This place sounds awful! Your poor Ds Sad

I think you need to complain and find a new nursery

pozzled · 18/01/2011 22:04

No way would I be sending my children back there. Completely unacceptable.

justlookatthatbooty · 18/01/2011 22:06

I went outside to talk to the mother of the child who was agressed at, to tell her what happenned and the angry man came out and stood between us talking to her until she had gone. I couldn't get a word in. It was certainly a deliberate tactic.

DS did have a drink when he wouldn't leave the buggy and probably he refused food because he was upset. When I asked him what happenned and if anyone cuddled him, he said the owner said " Well, stay in your buggy then, as you like". I asked him again if anyone cuddled him or held his hand and he said, No. He's too young to pull a story, he just tells it straight, so I totally believe him.

If a child is refusing to get out of his snow suit and leaven the buggy/join the group/eat, would you expect the nursery to call?

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Dansmommy · 18/01/2011 22:08

Oh my God, leaving a child in wet clothes for 5 hours with no food or drink is nothing short of abuse. I'd kick up an unholy stink. Involve every authority you can, these people should not be looking after children at all.

pozzled · 18/01/2011 22:14

If he's been at the nursery for 2 months (don't think you say how often he is there?) then I would expect him to feel comfortable enough to get out and go to them with a little encouragement. Did anyone try to sit with him and chat for a few minutes and then take him out? But yes, if he was upset enough to refuse to leave the buggy I'd expect them to call.

justlookatthatbooty · 18/01/2011 22:15

But if he refused food and refused to get out of his snow suit would you expect them to call?
what's the standard on being alerted by a nursery?

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justlookatthatbooty · 18/01/2011 22:17

He's there 3 days a week since october actually so it's more like 4 months. I have yet to get the full story from the owner re what they did and didn't try.

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justlookatthatbooty · 18/01/2011 22:18

interesting that the wet clothes and buggy incident is most commented on here.
Is the shouting and slamming chair/hand incident also just as unnacceptable?

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Dansmommy · 18/01/2011 22:21

If he was in wet clothes I'd have expected them to call, yes. Also if he was refusing food.

As for refusing to remove his coat/leave the buggy...I'd have expected them to have staff with the skills to coax him and ensure he was included in the activities. They sound shockingly incompetent.

NonnoMum · 18/01/2011 22:24

Bloody hell. Where are all these SHIT nurseries that keep cropping up over MN tonight?

I'd be more inclined to call the police.

Print this off and show 'em.

(I work on a nursery committee - so not just saying this but have some experience in this area.)

Dansmommy · 18/01/2011 22:24

justlookatthatbooty Tue 18-Jan-11 22:18:58
interesting that the wet clothes and buggy incident is most commented on here.
Is the shouting and slamming chair/hand incident also just as unnacceptable?

I'd say yes, it is completely unacceptable, but losing one's temper is sort of unacceptable... although it is wrong, there may have been a 'reasonable' explanation...such as the man in question having a breakdown/going through a divorce/bereavement etc. But what they did to your son was wilful neglect, and presumably more than one member of staff was involved in allowing it to happen?