Need help with a very sensitive complaint against a massive multinational!

[MrsRickman]

Ok, here goes.
Coca Cola are running a promo via their Dr Pepper brand just now on facebook. It is called 'status takeover' and involves the application putting an embarrassing or funny status on your FB page.
My 14 yo dd participated and I was HORRIFIED to log into FB and see that her status read - 'I watched 2 girls one cup and felt hungry afterwards'. For anyone who doesn't know what this means, please stay ignorant, for those who do, you can imagine how I felt. This was compounded later on when a quick search through dds internet history revealed she had tried to find out what it was for herself. Thankfully, our ISP has a wonderful child filter!!
So, after various emails and phonecalls to CocaCola marketing I have been offered (quite offensively) as way of compensation, a night in a hotel and theatre tickets for the West End. Fat lot of use to me, we live in Glasgow.
So, how do I proceed? ASA? I am absolutely fizzing with rage and disgust, and want a full apology and explanation. CocaCola are saying they use outside marketing teams for different brands and it's outside their jurisdiction. Help!?

'Thanks to porn, we have disgusting old men not raping children. '

oh good lord chiabom. You know those images, those thousands of images circulated between those disgusting old men? just how do you think they get produced?

Jimbo, Chiabom - what's really riled you is the idea that mothers could possibly have any opinions and, even worse, that those opinions could be at all influential.

I suggest you put your enormous male brains to use designing a time machine and then travel back a few hundred years to a society where men were in charge and women Knew Their Place. You'll feel much happier. (I'd go back before the Married Women's Property Act if I were you, think it was about 1876.)

I think Jimbo thinks 'foreigners' are a race.

"Chiabom you are spectaularly missing the point that it is illegal to promote/give pornography to a minor. "

Yes, yes it is, I'm not arguing in Coca Cola's favor, I disagree with them, I just think the lot of you are overreacting.

"Chiabom - Ok you've read the thread now. Let me ask you a question.

Is is OK that Coca Cols who whatever you may think about their business practices or industry ARE a trusted provider of approriate material for teenagers used made reference to scat porn in their advertising?"

Again, I'm not arguing in favor of Coca-Cola, I disagree with what they did.

Actually, I have the perfect solution. Jimbo was homeschooled, and Chiabom considers homeschooling a form of abuse, so perhaps they can just have a nice discussion about that while we go and have a sensible discussion somewhere else leave them to it?

(Although the "what he said" from Jimbo does make me want to add

Do you agree with Chiabom that homeschooling is a form of abuse?

to my list of questions for him to ignore)

Fearnelinen..I agree. The medical term for what is reresented in 2g1c is coprophagia and it is treated by the medical profession as a sexual illness.

BitOfFun I agree. Altough I've not posted on here I am trying to keep up to date as I am fascinated with how CocaCola intend to deal with the situation. I just can't be doing with all the nonsense in between that people are putting on here, diverting away frorm the real issue of what has happened to poor MrsR's family.
Mrs R how about a new thread to leave these with nothing better to do than rant on on this thread?!

fearnelinen, I think you'll find that yes, it does exist. Abused women have nothing to do with the subject in discussion here. I've already raised the point of young girls having unobtainable images thrust down their throat by the media. Generations of parents have been disgusted by what their children find acceptable since time began. It is just a sign of changing times. Hell, if nothing ever changed we'd still be wearing animal skins and bashing rocks together. And, "sadly no longer ignorant"? If you're the sort of person who would rather be ignorant to the things in your world than make an informed judgement on them, then I feel sorry for you.

That should say mental illness

Erm, what's pink and fluffy about wanting to participate in a discussion based on actually challenging the practices of the multi-nationals?

Debating with trolls on a forum is not a great use of my time, so I'm off for now. As I said, if other genuine MNers want to take this any further constructively, I shall log on again.

Just chipping in to say well done Mrs Rickman. And ignore the trolls. I am looking forward to watching this story reverberate around the world.

I have slight memories of my Mother on an internet dating site many moons ago, and saying "oh lovely, he likes watersports, you'd never get me on a jetski though, I'd break my back". And then of course, after a few emails, she discovered WHAT kind of watersports he was talking about. She thought it was gross and ended conversation. My Mum certainly isn't prudish or anything like, but she didn't have that sort of knowledge, because she wouldn't want to.

Some people like peeing on each other, some people like watching that, but it doesn't mean we all have to see it to know that it exists or to not grow into prudish old ladies. Does me being disgusted by defecation in someones MOUTH really confuse you that much? Is it really that horrendous an idea that it is NOT normal, and people don't want to see it?

Yes, children hear things in school, and around the home. I grew up with very liberal parents and can quite hapily discuss sex with my Mother, and hope my daughter will be the same. However, on the internet, a child will see something, think "What's that?" and bloody google it. Doesn';t take much for them to then me shown something they would more than likely not WANT to see if their brain functions in a normal way. The same as if I saw a video of rape etc, I would feel disgusted and would wish I hadn't seen it. Christ, I wish I hadn't seen that bloody video.

Your post made reference to American words, and to the fact that people from other countries aren't welcome here. I don't think it could be more racist if it put on a white sheet and burned a cross.

Hang on, Chiabom, didn't you say that it was damaging to NOT let a 14 year old child see people defecating and vomiting on each other, because they should have life experience, and that "protecting" a child from watching 2g1c is abusive?

But now you're not arguing in Coca Cola's favour and disagree with them? Shouldn't you be championing their noble crusade to spread the news of 2g1c to as many children as possible, to end this shameful tide of abuse carried out by all the parents who are callously not letting their children watch it?

Chaibom - What is the overreaction? The response has been to complain to the company, get what the OP feels is an inadequate response and then ask for advice as to how to take it further. The media have then picked up on it. I don't think that posting on the internet can be seem as over reacting.

Where you are seeing criticism of porn in general, it's mainly coming from posters for whom this is their considered and stated position. They aren't reacting in horror to this particular incident or this particular film.

Many other posters who have expressed anger at this incident are not opposed to porn as a point of principle.

Chiabom have you been to Mumbai? Or other parts of India and some parts of Asia? I ask because it is commonplace to see people defecating on the streets there. I don't enjoy my children seeing that as from a hygiene perspective it's not nice and frankly, you shouldn't just shit on a street in my book.
However, this film begins with 2 women licking each others breasts. It's not just "let's watch someone pooing" it goes beyond that. Why should we all be 'exposed' to lifes atrocities? Sure, war, Hitler, torture e.t.c. there is an educational aspect to safeguard our futures and perhaps if we were all to become more openminded and able to teach our teenagers about scat porn in an IT IS WRONG context I may find that more acceptable.
But 'look how cool I am knowing about scat porn' message plastered to all thir friends is not funny or indeed embarrasing, it is actually illegal.

TCNY - no, Chiabom specifically wrote "I'm not reading 45 pages of your conservative nonsense"

Chiabom - as you've already "decided" it is "conservative nonsense" without reading any significant portion, there's not much worth debating with you, as points will have been made, or argued, at length, particularly in the past 24-36 hours with Jimbo and Drew that you will probably regurgitate oblivious to what else was written in response.

"oh good lord chiabom. You know those images, those thousands of images circulated between those disgusting old men? just how do you think they get produced? "

People have been raping far before porn came around, friend. Pornography gives them these visuals, and obviously it doesn't work for all, some pornography viewer will still be rapists, but truly, I'm sure it satiates plenty sexually deprived old men.

"Jimbo, Chiabom - what's really riled you is the idea that mothers could possibly have any opinions and, even worse, that those opinions could be at all influential.

I suggest you put your enormous male brains to use designing a time machine and then travel back a few hundred years to a society where men were in charge and women Knew Their Place. You'll feel much happier. (I'd go back before the Married Women's Property Act if I were you, think it was about 1876.) "

I'm not sexist, I think woman and mothers alike can and should have any opinion they'd like, bad or good, you're entitled to that. If it's a good opinion, I'll agree with it, if I feel it is a ridiculous opinion, I'll disagree with it, I'd argue with a man if I disagreed with him, this isn't about sexism, friend. Personally, I find multiple opinions and the OP's opinion to be ridiculous and I am here rebutting these opinions. You are the ones who seem to have issues with anyone but yourselves having an opinion.

Perhaps I have misread the thread but I don't remember reading that people were objecting to adults accessing legally produced porn. The objection is to pornographic references being aimed at those who are under-age.

Of course a parent can be over-protective but if trying to protect my child from age inappropriate content is child abuse then I suggest you call social services immediately. I would be aware though that they may be extremely busy as the majority of parents I know take this viewpoint.

Home schooling is not for me but what exactly has that to do with this thread and calling it child abuse is extreme.

Jimbo - Americans are not a race. The post said people from other countries are not welcome here unless they have something to contribute. That's at least as liberal as America's immigration policy.

1. Americans are not a race, and

2. Contributions from American MNers are always welcome here.

Trolls intent on disrupting the forum and derailing the intelligent discussions which generally characterise this site are NOT welcome. Having that view does not a racist make.

I'm not your 'friend' Chiabom. And oddly enough, being patronising and rude isn't winning you any friends here.

Her post made reference to people being unwelcome unless they have something to add to the discussion and intend to stick around on MN. There are plenty of posters from other countries who contribute to the MN community and who are very welcome here, as specifically referenced in her post.

Every time there's a MN story that makes the international media we get a glut of posters, particularly from the US, who join specifically to post on one specific thread over the space of a day or two, and it's as tiresome as it would be if any single-issue bore turned up on your doorstep to buttonhole you about their pet topic. If someone wants to actually join in the community here they are very welcome wherever they are from and whatever eccentric views they may have on individual issues.