Asylum seekers and immigrants.

[doormat]

Carrying on from benefits-unfit parents thread.

Any views on this subject anyone????

i think that`s a brilliant idea beetroot!wish my ds was in your school

beetroot: SPD = Syphisis Pubis Dysfuntion, my pelvis has widened, become completely unstable and landed me in a wheelchair. Oh the joys of pregnancy.

DD's school is very big on promoting multicultural stuff. They even celebrate Halle Selassie Day. The secondary school I went to was in the Guiness Book of records as 60% of the children had english as a second language and there were 51 different nationalities. My brother's best friend has been having his asylum application reviewed for the past 9 years, since he was 15.

I guess this is why I have such a hard time understanding the fear or misunderstanding shown towards other nationals.

Quite different from the school I teach in. We have a 98.9% 'white' intake. Out of 1300 kids I think one is a traveller. The school tries to do its best regarding cukltural diversity but it isn't enough. The RE and PHSE departments do the most, and I try my best in science but it isn't easy. That said most of the 'non-while' kids out perform the 'white' ones

Pie, donnie and beetroot, I haven't the energy for this today but I agree with you and keep up the good work! I also agree that without your posts some of this thread would be racist and depressing reading.

Oh my god Beetroot, yes thats where I went, though I started in 87 after missing the 1986 Autumn term whilst in Thailand.

How spooky, my mother and both my aunts went there too. What did you teach?

Whoops just noticed you said Drama

There are a few teachers still there that you may remember, Whitwham from English, Brodie from Art perhaps?

Sorry, have to ask the same question that doormat asked. What about the British homeless first?? Surely they should be housed? Are they? Could someone tell me why they aren't. Why don't they get benefits? Cause they haven't got a 'permanent address' It's just a joke.

Also, same as Rhubarb, if there is a job which says 'ethnic minority only' it makes my blood boil. Why?? Do they think we're not good enough for the job. You'd never see an advert 'white, British only to apply' would you??

I do have to add that if they are going to come over here and pay their way and go to work I don't have any problem what-so-ever. It's the dossers that just come over here for an 'easy' life and sit around driving illegally with no licence etc... and get money for doing it.

Does anyone know if it was true about them killing swans to eat? If so, who can say that's right. It's sick.

Just had to have my say there.

Try not to post when in work but have been peeking at this all day. Thanks beetroot, pie and donnie. Most of the rest of this thread does make, indeed, deeply depressing reading.

Where I live in East London it is extremely multicultural and always has been since I was born. My parents are irish immigrants and my father remembers looking for work in the late 50's and early 60's when it was ok for bed and breakfasts to have signed saying "no dogs, no blacks, no irish". I do not care where you are from so long as you are prepared to work if you are able bodied and pay your own way. That I am afraid is not true for all of the immigrants and asylum seekers that arrive in the UK. Those of you who shoot down those who ask what about the UK citizens first obviously do not live where I do. This country is known as a soft touch.

lord....

chiggles, do you know the Queen eats swans? She and St John's College Cambridge are the only people legally allowed to in the UK.

And jobs specifically for people from a certain community - the race relations act section 37 and 38 are pretty rigourous on this (I know, I've recruited posts of this type). You really have to show the job requires a certain ethnicity and it's not easy. One of the criteria you are allowed is that a profession has a huge shortage of people working in it from a specific community that is represented by the clients of the job. If you could prove you needed a white person, you could apply these sections in exactly the same way.

Just like the benefits thread, I'm really shocked at some people's opinions here (people whose opinions I usually respect). Sorry, but I had to say it.

Used to work in Notting Hill. Far too expensive to live there......

One question I have been pondering. Given that the "asylum problem" isn't a problem at all (ie we could quite happily afford to support the numbers arriving) why are the govt bringing in such draconian measures? Is it that new labour are all about image rather than truth (I would say they are), or is it just a cynical vote winner? Is it to use as an excuse for the appalling public services? I don;t think the govt would know the truth if it hit them in the face though they're so used to spinning on everything now. Oh for a votable opposition party.

DS1 has been throwing up all afternoon so my brain is fried.

On the subject of immigrants, has anyone seen a truly brilliant film called Dirty Pretty Things? If you are of the "String them up" opinion then can I suggest that you watch this and see what sort of lives people have when they don't really exist in our society. Fun it ain't.

I am rather shocked at the anti-immigrant feeling, I pay a lot of tax and I'm happy if it helps anyone else. I agree that the asylum system gets abused, but then so does every other system so I don't think it should be singled out. Imagine how you would feel if you were forced out of your country and put in a camp and vilified by the population of your new country.

SamboM - when they get to 35, they move to Dorset and have kids

'trustafarians' I mean, not asylum seekers.

Maybe we should trade trustafarians with asylum seekers

Great idea, there's a halfway house down here, its called 'Babington'

yes Phillipat, it really is depressing to read a post from someone whose previous posts I've liked and find the that they have posted a variation on the 'I'm not a racist, but...'line.

BTW, Rhubarb, I think the your ancesters from Ireland would qualify for the economic migrant category if they were simply trying to survive a famine in their home country.

where are you enid?

Dor-zet/Zummerzet border

i'm afraid i don't have the energy to rise to the challenge of this thread. just wanted to say well done to beetroot, donnie, pie and all those who have fought the good fight here. some of these comments must be so hurtful to mumsnetters reading them. my parents are "economic migrants" (irish) - also heard about the "no blacks, no dogs, no irish" signs that my parents had to face when they came over here - between them they have contributed 80 years of gainful, tax-paying employment in this country. certain comments on this thread are utterly BENEATH CONTEMPT.

Hope everyone has read Tinkers/smls post it was a goodie.

right - racks brains to work out where they meet. Wondered if you were near to salis. But not