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nephew 2.6 attacked by american pit bull in primrose hill...

151 replies

beansontoast · 05/10/2008 16:45

still cannot believe that is our little chap that thi shas happened to.

apparently the dog flipped out because of a musiacl bit of play equipment...which little dnep happened to be jumping on.

teh bigger children jumped away...but dnep wanst quick enough.

the dog picked him up by the leg and shook him for what my bro says was six or seven seconds.

by which time my sil pulled the dog off....felt hot patch...pulled his jeans down and saw terrible damage

teh ownwer apparantly said 'he's not a dangerous dog' over and again....,.DERRRR NEWS FLASH!!!

having been around he/the owner then somehow made a dash for it with the dog...and was obviously pursued by my bro ,some friends and other bystanders...i think he was arrested?..not sure but the police are def involved.

dnep is in hosp and will be for days...very deep wounds on his leg...three hrs in surgery to clean up....on morpheine...all zonked...poor sil with him.

this man must be a moron...a fing cnting moron to not be able to update his opinion of his dog given what he witnessed....un bel ievable

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salsmum · 13/10/2008 18:08

I hope your nephew is recovering well BOT.
There has been alott of comments about the owner running away and of course leaving a scene of an accident is an offence in itself...BUT I'm really not sure how I would have reacted either I can imagine that there were many angry adults at the scene and kids screaming and crying. The adults would have wanted to kill Dog and/or owner. Sometimes if people are in such a shocking situation their first instinct is to run, of course that would have been wrong but perhaps he was'nt thinking straight and just paniced.
I am both a mum and a dog owner BUT in a situation like this the child has to come first...NO EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE.

FioFio · 13/10/2008 18:14

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salsmum · 13/10/2008 18:19

FioFio
If you see my earlier thread I said that I do'nt think the 'letter' is genuine .
The 'owner' alleges that his dog worked as a Therapy Dog. This would not have been the case if the dog has 'issues' with certain sounds he would not have been accepted as Therapy Dog.

bundle · 13/10/2008 18:31

exactly a therapy dog? not v good training then.

Blandmum · 13/10/2008 18:35

To be quite honest the owner has shown, via the letter, just how stupidly blind he is to the danger that his dog poses.

this dog is dangerous. It has seriously wounded a child. and should be put down.

The owner needs to think about why he decided to own such a dangerous animal when it is clear that he cannot effectively control it, and keep other people (and animals) safe from its behaviour.

Not only should the dog be put down, the owner should be banned from having animals like this since he clearly has no idea of how to treat it properly and follow the law.

Mind blowing that people speak up for this sort of idiocy

MrsWeasley · 13/10/2008 18:52

I overheard a women(dinner lady) asking a women if she could not leave her dog strapped to a school fence as the children were crowding it and she wouldn't like anything to happen. The owner had left the dog there to go inside a nearby building. It was lunchtime. Children were crowding it some with balls in hand.

Both women were nice and friendly (ie no cross words etc, all very poilte) the owner agreed but also said the dog was friendly and had been a rescue dog when they got it after being beaten by children.

I passed thinking if the dog had been beaten by children surely leaving a dog next to the school playground wasnt fair to the children or the dog.

the owner was worried if someone saw the dog ie if she left it away from the school they would steal it! (AFAIK Dog thefts are not common in this particular area)

bigscaryorangespiderami · 13/10/2008 18:52

Oh beans, what a scare for your poor nephew.
I really hope he feels better soon adn can recover from this fright.

I am at the letter from Amir. If it is indeed genuine, then heaven help us. Can he not see what his dog has done??

Am also very very that the dog's owner tried to run away. Without even bothering to check the little boy was okay....

Finally I have to roffle at the comment of Richard Webb in the article who states he has 3 dogs, one of whom a Cocker Spaniel, and two pitbull types, and that the pitbull is the friendliest. He wonders why children should fear Pitbull type dogs. Errrr, because once they bite they do not let go?? Because they have strong lockable jaws??
His Cocker Spaniel may not be friendly, but if it is anything like mine it could not even bite through a chicken wing let alone a child's leg. And that is why out of your three dogs the pitbull types should be feared by children Mr Webb. Nothing to do with how 'friendly' they may be.

Beans I hope you are okay. And I hope there is some kind of 'punishment' for the dog's owner. Bring back dog licenses I say!

cupcakesinthesnow · 13/10/2008 20:40

One wonders how 'Amir' would feel if his beloved dog had been savaged by another dog who locked its jaw onto 'Chelsea's' leg and shook her leaving her with extensive damage both physical and psychological

jolly2006 · 13/10/2008 21:13

to be honest I think many of you are now being quite ignorant and possibly on a witch hunt. I agree with Salsmum that the owner could hve jst panicked with all the screaming parents hurling abuse and threats and ran. Ths dsnt make him a bad person and the letter sounds like someone who is deeply upset with the whole situation.
Who is to say that he did not attempt to visit the child or parents in hospital?
A bad person would not bother writing a letter and then posting it for all to see.

lulumama · 13/10/2008 21:16

deeply upset about having to put his dog down, rather than the fact a toddler had to have 3 hours of surgery after a savage attack

as i posted lower down, i am a dog owner, so am not some anti dog fanatic, but this attack and lack of control proves the dog is dangerous

if your child was the one recovering, would you be so forgiving? i know i wouldn;t

bundle · 13/10/2008 21:18

"A bad person would not bother writing a letter and then posting it for all to see. "

I'm not saying he's a bad person. But with rights (the right to own a dog, the right to be in a park) come responsiblities....

onager · 13/10/2008 21:32

the letter sounds like someone who is deeply upset with the whole situation>>

ffs, no it doesn't. It sounds like someone trying to save their dog which they want to keep alive even though they now know it savages children (assuming even that this is the first time)

Next time a dog attacks someone I suggest we put it and it's owner in the same cell.

Blandmum · 13/10/2008 21:34

agree with you ongar.

a letter that was written by someone who was truly sorry would just say, 'I'm truly sorry'

Not, 'I'm truly sorry, please save my dog that placed your child in the operating theater, because I really love my dog'

jolly2006 · 13/10/2008 21:36

"deeply upset about having to put his dog down, rather than the fact a toddler had to have 3 hours of surgery after a savage attack"

mybe u dnt read the entire letter,

"Dear Parents, please allow me to express how sorry I am for the unfortunate incident that occurred on the afternoon of Saturday, 4th October 2008. I can only imagine the distress that you as a family have gone through as a result of what I can only describe as my fault. I am eternally at your service and if there is anything you feel that I may be able to do to bring some comfort to you and your son, then please do not hesitate to contact me.This is no excuse for what happened and both my wife and I feel empty inside and deeply upset for the unnecessary stress we have caused you as a family"

I am not on a crsde and i belve owner shld be dealt with as the law c's fit, that is his right.

TheCrackFox · 13/10/2008 21:41

For goodness sake, this dog is clearly dangerous and its owners cannot control it. The dog needs to be put down before it actually kills a child.

bundle · 13/10/2008 21:41

"I am eternally at your service and if there is anything you feel that I may be able to do to bring some comfort to you and your son, then please do not hesitate to contact me"

er yes, there is something you can do. make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else and have your dog humanely put to sleep

goosylousie · 13/10/2008 21:46

There is another discussion titled "is it always this personal on Mumsnet", apparently so.
I was told to F--- off today by NotDoingTheHousework for putting forward my thoughts regarding the above and my views mirror that of jolly2006.
God only knows how NotDoingTheHousework will react if her own children wish to have their opinion .

bundle · 13/10/2008 21:49

goosylousie, you should definitely report abusive posts, using the ! at the side

DevilishDisasterArea · 13/10/2008 21:51

this is bonkers.
dog bites. dog is dangerous. protect chldren.
simple.

hope beans neph heals soon.

Joolyjoolyjoo · 13/10/2008 21:53

So sorry this happened to your DN, BOT. I am a dog-woner and dog-lover, but I agree that once a dog has shown it can't be trusted there is really no alternative but to put it to sleep.

I'm not convinced the letter by "Amir" is genuine, but the sentiment may be near the truth- I am a vet and it is truly amazing how blind people can be about their dogs. I have developed a good instinct for when a dog is likely to attack me, but there is no point even mentioning a muzzle to that owner until the dog actually has a go, at which point they are ALWAYS shocked, even though all the signs were there "He's never done that before", "He's just scared", "you must have hurt him" etc etc etc. THe fact is that someone else might scare the dog, or a child might accidentally hurt it or upset it somehow- this is never an excuse. I once had a dog that went for me when I turned my back on it! I told the woman owner that she should really be careful, as the dog's behaviour was unpredictable, and I recommended training classes/ behaviouralists, to which she got really sniffy and I backed down, realising I was talking to a brick wall. How bad did I feel when a few weeks later the dog was presented for euthanasia after bitinbg a child in the face, yet the woman was STILL saying "He's never done anything like this before!"

Agree with others too that the anatomy of the head of the American Pit bull makes it a particularly dangerous biter- not really the type that you could risk giving a second chance.

If one of our dogs even so much as lunged at a child, I would be seriously thinking about it's future, never mind doing what this dog did.

ScaryHalloweenSquonkRAAR · 13/10/2008 21:58

I cannot believe that people are still trying to defend this dog!

ffs it bit and mauled a child

I am horrified that some of you seem to think that this is not only acceptable behaviour, but that the dog should be allowed to do it again.

I am surprised and severely disappointed that some people seem to think that a dog's life is more important than a human being's.

I am also amazed that the same people cannot see through "Amir"'s blatant pleading for his dog's life. You seem to think he is genuinely sorry. If he were genuinely sorry, he would have taken the dog to the vets quicker than you could say "dangerous dogs act" and begged them to put it down.

I am disgusted by the attitude of some people on this thread tbh.

Beans... sending best wishes to your nephew and your family

Lizzylou · 13/10/2008 22:00

I cannot believe the audacity of first Amir's letter and then posters standing up for him. He was merely trying to save his devil dog and his own skin, not apologising properly at all.

This country is over run with completely unsuitable breeds of dogs, dogs bred for fighting/keeping guard who then turn nasty (quelle surprise).

BOT, I hope that your Dnep is OK, this is my worst nightmare, I can only imagine how scared he and his parents were.

jolly2006 · 13/10/2008 22:03

"For goodness sake, this dog is clearly dangerous and its owners cannot control it. The dog needs to be put down before it actually kills a child"

You are making an assumption here, 90% of dgs tht attk usually go for the face,throat or arms. They will then attempt 2 continue 2 attk,this is a typical trait of a dangerous dog.

The mentioned dog tht bit young child on the ankle was playing with the bells, there were other children and people in the playground but the dog did not attempt to attk anyone else. This is not the behaviour of a "Typical" dangerous dog, regardless of breed. However all dogs shld b muzzled and on leash in parks, regardless.

Lizzylou · 13/10/2008 22:05

Jolly, if said dog had bitten my child I wouldn't give a flying feck whether it was "typical" dangerous dog behaviour or not.

It was a Pit Bull, a toddler had to have surgery.

Give it up.

onager · 13/10/2008 22:06

There may be some obscure definition of 'dangerous dog' which you are quoting, but most of us would regard a dog that put a child in hospital as dangerous.

"bit young child on the ankle" sounded almost playful. Perhaps someone could send you pictures of the reality.

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