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CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS REALLY ODD DEPRESSING QUESTION???

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igglepiggles · 22/02/2008 21:43

if a mother has an 12 week old baby and tries to committ suicide eg Slashing wrists and then threaten to kill her DH/DP (not the baby) but she is either asleep or really sort of blacked out and doesnt even know she is doing it. and she does need hospital treatment eg stitches. but the DP/DH is sane, what will happen to the mother??

i kow this is an odd question but can anyone answer it??

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peanutbear · 22/02/2008 21:45

I dont know? they will refer her to a psychiatrist hopefully or ask her to go to a mental health unit to sort out some medication

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igglepiggles · 22/02/2008 21:47

yeah but what i mean is should she be sectioned if she refuses to go, should they give an option, do u reckon the DH/DP should stay with her or leave with their child??

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yousaidit · 22/02/2008 21:48

ooh, not sure. my mums friends have talked about p.n.d, i'm presuming the mum in question might be labelled as (severe) pnd? if so, they might want to hospitalise in a section spec for mental health issues but for mums and babies where if mother deemed to have mental illness but not threat to child, and be detrimental to not have chld with her child would poss stay with mum? jut a so-so guess though. you might be best if you can hang on callingh social services just to anonymously ask for advice?

Lulumama · 22/02/2008 21:49

she would be admitted to a psych unit, i would hope, possibly iwth her baby, and treated. she might have puerpural psychosis.. someone that unwell and out of control would need urgent in patient treatment

is your question more about what would happen to the baby?i.e would the baby automatically go to the father for residency

Ledodgy · 22/02/2008 21:49

There is a form of PND pupal psychosis or something which causes blackouts, hallucinations mad behaviour etc. I ould hope they would know about this and take her in.

yousaidit · 22/02/2008 21:49

what is situation with the dh/dp? is relationship on way out or is the dh/dp willing to see treatment through in case p.n.d related?

Nbg · 22/02/2008 21:49

good lord what a weird question

I guess she would probably be sectioned for a mental assessment.

Ledodgy · 22/02/2008 21:50

There you go lulu knows the right name.

peanutbear · 22/02/2008 21:50

I don't know if partners can stay with you if you are sectioned my exdh was and although we were encouraged to visit we were never encouraged to stay not even for any length of time

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igglepiggles · 22/02/2008 21:53

mmm. if i get some more posts on here i ll tell you why im asking. id have thought she would prehaps be sectioned but would it be fair if she had a serious phobia of hospitals and that it might make her worse being there than if she was to go home / stay with friend or relative?? its a really tricky and question but id really like to know what u all think.

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TotalChaos · 22/02/2008 21:53

hoping this isn't an insensitive question - but is this really a hypothetical question related to a fear of you losing control, rather than a situation you are aware of with someone else?

GerrardWinstanley · 22/02/2008 21:55

I think it is very very sad if a man's reaction to his partner's post natal illness is to leave her and take the baby with him. In fact it's cruel. Is there no possibility of this man standing by his partner and allowing her time to get well?

Desiderata · 22/02/2008 21:55

I suppose the important question is whether the lady has any previous history, prior to childbirth.

Without establishing that, it's difficult to form an opinion.

Lulumama · 22/02/2008 21:56

i think if someone is so ill they attempt to slash their wrists and threaten violence on someone else, they need in patient treatment and that overrides a phobia or fear of hospitals

that level of mental illness needs in patient help

as i mentioned there are mother and baby units, whihc if the mother has puerperal pyschosis, she should be admitted to,

GerrardWinstanley · 22/02/2008 21:57

i think if you are considered a danger to yourself or others, you are likely to be sectioned, regardless of any hospital phobia you may have.

Lulumama · 22/02/2008 21:58

a friend or relative would not necessarily have the expertise to support someone psychotic

and if she refuses treatment, then that could make her situation re the baby more untenable

on the whole, PND and variations there of are not used as a way to remove children from their mothers

Ledodgy · 22/02/2008 21:58

You say she's asleep or blacked out is this happening in the middle of the night? If so it may be some sort of sleep disorder?

seasidemama · 22/02/2008 21:59

There are acute mother and baby psych units across the country that she'd hopefully have access to. They should encourage the DP to visit as much as is possible in order to allow him to continue bonding etc. She could either go voluntarily or under section if that's what they felt was needed.

peanutbear · 22/02/2008 21:59

If I am honest the relative/friend would be taking an awful lot on I am not trying to say they wouldnt want to but if she is trying to commit suicide and having blackout etc it means being up awake and alert all the time whilst she is there

Its probably safer for her to go to hospital and get proper medical care in my honest opinion

my H obviously didnt have PND but he had the symptoms you describe and it was an awfully difficult time he was so out of character and strangley physically much stronger during these episodes

I dont want to paint a black picture thats not fair just that its a lot to take on

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igglepiggles · 22/02/2008 22:01

ok lets say possibly a bit of depression before hand as teenager. the relationship has had a few lil probs but not on the way out but she she threatend to stab him etc. and he s obviously worried for his safety as well as her own. but remember she is terrified of hospitals which makes her aggresive/crazy and cries all the time sort of thing.

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Lulumama · 22/02/2008 22:01

it is very hard to comment with half a story

if this is about someone you know, i would do all i could to support them to get proper medical help,in a unit that can keep her with her baby,and go voluntarily

Lulumama · 22/02/2008 22:02

with a history of depression, that is another reason she should get the most help she can , as things have obviously escalated to a frightening level

seasidemama · 22/02/2008 22:04

Being terrified of hospital won't make any difference to the decision to section her. Hopefully though the staff would understand how distressing it was for her and offer support - though being sectioned is distressing regardless of whether or not you like hospitals.

KacyB · 22/02/2008 22:04

Surely it would depend, somewhat, on her concious mind too... If she wasn't having these thoughts in her 'awake' state and it happened only once, then I am sure the Drs. would be trying to find a solution.

I can't understand why you wouldn't rush straight to the Drs. I would, if I'd just woken up to find I'd slashed my wrists and threatened my DH.

I'd also organise 24 hour care for the baby's (and my own) safety - a family member or a trusted friend.

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igglepiggles · 22/02/2008 22:04

id say middle of the night. and i would say its more to do with sleep as sleep walking talking and eyes open whilst i suppose dreaming.

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