Are taking drugs and being a good parent mutually exclusive then?

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I don't want to get told off lots or start a fight, its just that I (along with most of my friends - parents or not) will take drugs every now and then, but I am aware that the people I know are not necessarily representative of what's really normal or acceptable - so what does everyone really think?

I can only talk for the parents I know that take cocaine.

They don't particularly care for the children, they love them yes, but they don't care about their diets, they don't care if their homework is done, they don't care that they hit each other as part of a game, they don't care that they never see their kids and spend all day everyday at work, shove the kids to bed then all weekend out on the lash(not trying to offend working parents here btw, it's more that they dont see them then spend all wkend away from them), they don't care what effect the coke will have on them the next day.
So I'm probably bias.

But I still think taking drugs that could kill you after one dodgy time is flippin stupid.

You are missing my point clumsy. What I meant was that we all (ok most people) break the law in areas that they think aren't that important. I used the speeding thing as an example - I know very few people who won't confess to speeding occasionally and justifying to themselves. We all modify the rules to fit our own perceptions of what matters. Using drugs is just one of those modifications. But it seems to attract an unusual amount of condemnation.

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sorry to go on and on about ASDA but how is this sort of thing not as reprehensible to any right thinking person as drugs are to the, um, those of you who object so strenuously to the evils of the industry?

5p an hour, 80 hour working week

Alcohol is a drug

How many of you take that?

I agree that Asda are evil wankers, as are otrher large corporations.

Howver, last time I checked, Asda et al were not contrubuting to terrorism and other organised crime

and you can be way more out of control or able to look after kids on alcohol than if you smoke a spliff or have a line of coke

terrorism and crime worse than child/virtual slave labour - it's all evil, how do you pick and choose? it's just not possible to get all pious about drugs if you support companies responsible for so much misery

asda are accountable, i don't personally support them but all the information on their activies is in the public forum.

if you grew up in a country where buying dope directly puts a bullet in the gun of the nutters down the road you might see the difference.

anyway i am right and you are wrong and i rest my case!

CountessDracula, I agree that alcohol can be worse than a spliff, totally.
I said myself that I do not class weed as the same as cocaine or heroin or the such.
But you will not die from a glass of wine. You may die from a line of coke.

ODid I ever say that terorrism etc was worse than organised crime??

I merely pointed out that I know several middle class professional blah blah blah Class A Nobboids, who do all the social conscience bolleuax and then they snort coke at the weekend.

They are hypocritical twats.

Big compaines like Asda are a whole diferent subjcet. They work on exploitation, not only of thier workers abroad, but of people who often have no choice but to buy from them, ie people on low iuncomes, who can't afford ethical goods.

the world is not always a nice place, unless you are some sort of ascetic monk it's impossible to avoid contributing to various nasties - we can at least be honest and level-headed about all of it instead of imposing some utterly arbitrary code of moral conduct on one another

I know fio Only on MN.....

Not sure how ethical buying neccessarily makes you a good parent.

but walrus, is it waitrose coke or lidl coke?

the ethical buying thing was just in response to a 'but the drugs trade is so unpleasant' thing

Did I impose any arbitrary code of moral conduct on you vacua?

No I didn;t

I was pointing out my nobbo aquaintances who are hypocrites of the highest order.

UI mentioned the human suffereing thing simply because oif this.

It was you who brought up Asda and their eveil campaign for world domination, not me.

you can't live in the world without contributing in some way to one evil or another.

so what if people by organic and reuse plastic bags, then on friday nights stick coke up their noses. at least they are trying to do something which is more than can be said for many.

I agree with the Reindeer who said it's something to put behind us when we have dch.

Since this seems to be a dual thread, I read an article recently which detiled cost of living for one person in Bangladesh slums - £18 per month; rent £6, 2 meals a day £10, fares to work £2. Guess what Primark pay? £12 per month, which is the legal min wage, & that's for a single person - goodness knows how those with families manage.

I don;lt think you can compare someone who buys thier shopping in Asda to someone who snorts coke tbh, byt there you go. That's just me

What dio I know anyway, my cghildren don;t have wooden toys and eat meat.

whoever said it was an icky industry - there's one reason why it's an icky industry - and that's because it's illegal. It's presicely because it's illegal that the top end of the industry is run by people who are happy to make money out of breaking the law and violence. I am a strong believer that drugs shouldn't be illegal. I can think of two examples where drugs have destroyed lives. and in both cases it was the illegality that did it. neither life would have been fine and dandy had the drugs been lawful - but they would have been a whole lot better - and the two individuals would have got back on track a whole lot quicker.

having said that the fact remains that it is a hideous industry - like many others - and imo not contributing to it is one of the strongest arguments against taking drugs. though ultimately I believe it is not the users who are responsible for the nature of the industry - rather it is the law.

I don't see how anyone can entirely avoid being hypocritical about everything or something, unless I am just too human for my own good?

on a totally different tack one thing that really does irritate me, well not totally different as it is in the 'annoying acquaintances' vein are people I know have taken drugs before (because have done them together) but lie to their children about it when asked later in life. what is wrong with saying 'yes I loved injecting MDMA into my eyeballs however I understand the risks to be such and such . . .' or whatever