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[francagoestohollywood]

Welcome everyone

how's it going pippi?

it was hell I am afraid. DH dealt with it as really I had enough. I have been so patient all week and last night I was just too tired. anyway he put her on the toilet when she said she wanted a poo and told her to call him when she'd finished. well she sat on it for two 15 min rounds. then she went to bed. only to wake up about 20 more times. I swear to you we must have slept an hour straight if anything. At one point I turned the light on and let her play in her room. I could hear her say to herself that she should go to bed perche' e' buio e tutti dormono! yea right!
I really don't know what to do!
I am so tired that I might go see the doctor, I bet I'll start crying the minute he asks 'hwhat's wrong' and signs me off for an eternity.

franca I have done that. the problem is that she keeps waking up two hours later and all starts again. Horrible to say but I really did not like her last night. she knows we are not bestest friends this morning and she's trying to make me smile, bless. No advent calendar for her today either, but I doubt it'll make any difference. Maybe it is a fase and just have to accept it. and it will go as it came it's just so hard. maybe it is nature's way to remind me how life with a newborn will be. in fairness this one I think it's the first sleepless night we had since she was born as she was always a great sleeper and not much of a crier... oh well... my turn I guess. can you tell I am deflated?

Ciao! Un'amica italiana mi ha detto che ci sono i vecchi episodi di Little angels online, I think they are good, they taught us how to do the training to sleep business. With ds we always used tolet him get away with a couple of pretend cacca and pipi then we would threaten the door shut, sometimes we had to shut it. It is the only way he learnt I am afraid. With the waking up in the middle of hte night, the only thing to do in mho, now that she knows damn well she is meant to stay in bed, is to take her straight back without saying anything AT ALL, if you do speak that's giving her attention, and they love attention. Why don't you and dh take in turns at night to deal with her whilst the other sleeps in the spare room with ear plugs. Here is the link www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/video/index.shtml
I lost it yesterday with ds as he didn't want his guest friend to play with his batman toy, I could have strangled him.

Ciao! Un'amica italiana mi ha detto che ci sono i vecchi episodi di Little angels online, I think they are good, they taught us how to do the training to sleep business. With ds we always used tolet him get away with a couple of pretend cacca and pipi then we would threaten the door shut, sometimes we had to shut it. It is the only way he learnt I am afraid. With the waking up in the middle of hte night, the only thing to do in mho, now that she knows damn well she is meant to stay in bed, is to take her straight back without saying anything AT ALL, if you do speak that's giving her attention, and they love attention. Why don't you and dh take in turns at night to deal with her whilst the other sleeps in the spare room with ear plugs. Here is the link www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/video/index.shtml
I lost it yesterday with ds as he didn't want his guest friend to play with his batman toy, I could have strangled him.

i obviiously feel very strongly about it. What you can do on top of what i said above is that if she stays in bed she will get the treat from the calendar. Remind her at night before she goes to bed. Don't envy you, it's hell.

hothell thanks. I thought she'd be distraut but not opening the number 6 on the advent calendar... she couldn't care less.

should we try to meet up with the DC in Coram fields one day before xmas?

distraught, obviously

yes, that would be great.
what about finding something that she really likes (something cheap) and telling her she can only have it if she stays in bed? (one pound shops are full of pink crap for little girls) On of those little angels shows i think they gave a dolls house to a little girl, and she got one thing to put in it every morning but only if she stayed in bed! are you gong to italy for xmas?

Crikey Pippi that sounds like a nightmare. Can you not bribe her with something she really does like say take it away for the day after she does a bad night then give back when she does good ??? No idea really just suggestions. When she wakes in the night what is it she wants - company? toys, is she cold?? Try posting on the sleeping thread I bet somebody could help you...
Sending you moral support.

OMG, I didn't realise she was up all night. That would really do my head in. Have I got this to come, do you think?

Would bribery work with your DD? Maybe a new bedtime routine? Starting earlier perhaps? Is she more tired from something now (apart from the staying up all night, that is)? Has she started something new that might have unsettled her?

I don't know what to suggest, I know that when my DD is overtired it takes her longer to get off to sleep but she's never been up all night unless ill. Maybe you should substitute her after dinner coffee with a grappina, no?

Agree with Bran ,than wehn overtired ds takes longer to get to sleep, especially when younger. Maybe start the bedtime routine earlier, around 7 and then switch light off at 730?
Franca would the Astrid lindgren you read to your ds be suitable for an 8 year old boy?

Hothell I read the book as an 8 yrs old, but children seem so precoci these days that he's probably on Puskin already . what about old classics like the jungle book/gulliver etc?
Pippi, I didn't realize you were up all night as well. I'd try the taking her back to bed without saying anything apart from bed time or whatever. don't let her play! unless obviously you think that she needs reassurance about her new baby sister. but then again, it's up to you. I have to couple of friends who have had problems with their dc's children. One family (their dd is 5 and ds is 2) basically keep bad swapping the whole night. the others have been consistent with reassuring/putting back to bed and things seem better...
I really don't know what to suggest, would you like to come to exeter for a few days???

two not to

the book would be for a boy who is so not really precocious as far as i kno, but incredibly street wise, brought up in a tough inner city school type of child, so worried that this book might be a bit innocent for him and that he might laugh at me. boh!

. dickens?

not much time to write, I bought The Brother Lionheart for a 9yo. I think he might laugh at me too but seems good and has good reviews from other kids that age.

speak about sleeping nightmare later. x

he is a little boy with a daddy who is alcoholic, and his mum used to be a junkie, so he is a little bit cynical, maybe something fun by r. dahl.

I'm terribly ignorant of boys literature.... I used to love "cuore"... . I really liked the witches by dahl.

I used to love Cuore toooooo!Quello sulle Ande!!!! Do they still read it in Italy?

Pippi how is it going with the sleep run?

Rosa Califrau recommended you have good brains to pick on the subject of the coast south of Venice? I fancy going there next year but there's not much in the brochures and I've lost my Rough Guide. There's loads on the internet about Venice itself, and what I've seen about the area between Chioggia and Ravenna looks nice, but I'd really like a local's perspective!

I started a thread a little while ago
here so feel free to post there if you don't want to clog up your Italy chat thread with my stuff.

Very many thanks in advance!

do clog up please, I am curious about the area.....

Have replied on the other thread . Its not up to much down that part of the coast - I don't know it that well - I know the more touristy parts better . NOrth of Rimini is supposed to be nice ( well can't get much worse than Rimini ..sorry to all Rimini fans out there) I know Jesolo, Caorle well and further along Bibbione and Lignano - ALl popular with tedeschi and also Italiani in estate.

Brangelina hope you had more luck than me on ebay I re registered in the Uk as I could't bid on some things. ( saw you on the Italy coast thread ).I am brained out and still haven't got everything !! have to pack, do presents and tidy house as the whole effing family are coming over Friday night. And Thurs is girls Xmas night out ...So no early night for me !!