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The Breakfast Club Returns!

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LilyLangtrey · 18/10/2020 20:00

Good evening, Clunkers!

Welcome to the Breakfast Club where the kettle is permanently on, the drinks flow and the snacks are both self-replenishing and calorie-free.

We start each day with a look at history and a tribute to a brave or inspiring woman. Mostly though, we just chat randomly about current affairs, recipes, life in lockdown, literature, music and anything else that comes into our heads.

Veteran Clunkers welcome. Anyone else who wants to join in the chat - sense of humour essential! - welcome.

Kettle's on ☕️☕️☕️

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blossomsinmay · 24/10/2020 22:15

@TracysShoulder

Telegraph.

National Trust could face inquiry into its 'purpose'
Charity Commission to examine whether body is 'losing sight' of its remit after controversies

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/23/national-trust-could-face-inquiry-purpose/

About time too.

I can't read it, it's behind a paywall.
TracysShoulder · 24/10/2020 22:33

Here you are blossom, sorry, it's long.

The National Trust could face an official investigation by the charity regulator for straying from its "clear, simple purpose" to preserve historic buildings and treasures.

Speaking to The Telegraph's Chopper's Politics podcast (which you can listen to on the audio player above), Baroness Stowell of Beeston, who chairs the Charity Commission, said it was "important" that the National Trust did not "lose sight" of what members expected, adding that it was right that it was facing questions.

The commission is examining whether the Trust has breached its charitable objects. Regulators approached it earlier this month after members of the public complained about its controversial review into links between its properties and the British empire and slavery.

That could lead to a formal investigation in the coming weeks, with the questioning of the Trust's recent conduct by the regulator extremely embarrassing for a charity with 5.6 million members.
The National Trust has made a series of other moves that have been unpopular with members in recent years including making volunteers wear rainbow lanyards to support LGBT causes, while dozens of curators are being laid off to save money amid the coronavirus pandemic.

MPs were infuriated when the Trust's 115-page interim review, entitled "Connections between colonialism and Properties now in the care of the National Trust, including links with historic slavery" found that one third of its protected sites had ties to the "sometimes uncomfortable role that Britain, and Britons, have played in global history".

Winston Churchill's Chartwell residence, in Kent, was given as an example, with the wartime Prime Minister's home being highlighted alongside those of slavers.

Lady Stowell said: "The National Trust has a very sort of clear, simple purpose, which is about preserving some of our great historic places and places of great beauty and national treasure.

"What people expect of the National Trust is that they focus on that purpose, they don't lose sight of that. And when they do things which somehow seem to some of their supporters, some of the people that they're relying on... they shouldn't be surprised if that leads to questions and criticisms."

Asked whether the commission had contacted the Trust after the report was published, Lady Stowell said: "Sure. It's important that I and the commission exist to represent the people who are supporting the National Trust or any other charity."

She said it was important that members of the public "know that we get what it is that they care about, we understand. And that's part of what we're here to do – we will ask questions."

Commission officials made contact with the Trust two weeks ago after complaints from members of the public. It is not expected to become a statutory inquiry, but the commission has powers ranging from ordering the Trust not to commission other similar reports to giving it an official warning.

A National Trust spokesman said: "As is expected of all charities, the National Trust reports to the Charity Commission on any significant issues affecting our work. We updated the commission about media comment received in relation to the colonial history report published in September, and will be providing the commission with a further update.

"We always answer any questions the commission has with full transparency. We will continue to update the Charity Commission, and we are not aware of any formal action being taken in relation to the media coverage about our report."
Lady Stowell, the Leader of the House of Lords from 2014 to 2016, acknowledged the work charities have done to respond to the coronavirus crisis and the financial difficulties many face, saying: "A lot of the good, well-run charities are responding to this in the way that you would expect them to, which is that they're cutting costs."

But she stressed that she wanted charities to look at taking action to curb excessive executive pay. Earlier this year, the commission asked charities to submit information on all salaries above £60,000 in bands of £10,000, with the evidence forming the basis of a major report on charity executive pay before the end of the year.

A source said the report was about "shining a light on pay and reminding charities that the public on whose support they depend expects them to be able to explain and justify when they are paying big salaries".

Lady Stowell said: "There's a minimum standard, so there's a legal regulatory obligation on charities in terms of their disclosure. But actually, is that enough?

"If you really know that the people who you are relying on sort of need a constant reassurance that you are what you say you are, then you find ways to be able to demonstrate that to people. When it comes to explaining or justifying pay, it is not good enough to say 'this person could have earned X amount somewhere else', which is what you often see in a business."

Lady Stowell said the commission was seeking more powers to make it easier to throw charities off the official register if they are found to be breaking rules, as well allowing organisations to become temporary charities, adding: "I've started talking to the Government about this, that we have powers that allow us some greater control over what comes on and off the register, because it goes back to what we were talking about in terms of people's expectations of a charity when it is registered."

She urged larger charities to appoint people to their boards who understand the perspective of the supporter "rattling the tin for them or volunteering for them" and warned them not to take supporters for granted, saying it was "no longer acceptable in this day and age for any institution to rely on the fact they've been around" as a reason why they should continue.

"People are no longer willing to give charities the benefit of the doubt just because they're a charity," she said. "They expect a charity to constantly show that they are different from a business, that they are motivated in a different way. You can't, as a charity, just assume that what you've enjoyed in the past will continue into the future."

Announcing that she will stand down from chairing the commission in February, Lady Stowell said the public's trust in charities had begun to recover after it was damaged by scandals at Oxfam and Save the Children.

"We have carried out inquiries into some of the biggest name charities and not been in any way shy in doing so," she said. "That has led to real change and improvement amongst those charities themselves. There's some evidence of public trust and confidence starting to increase again as a result of that. But... this is a job that will never be done."

TracysShoulder · 24/10/2020 22:38

Sarah, I hope both documents are firmly backed up Shock

MissSarahThane · 24/10/2020 22:50

Sarah, I hope both documents are firmly backed up

I always e-mail a copy to myself when I've made major changes. I'll be doing that last thing this evening. And I've always still got the previous version to go back to if necessary. Smile

TeflonTits · 25/10/2020 00:12

@MoreHippoThanPenguin

Ooh, two good recommendations here, I will look for those Smile. We settled for an old Midsummer Murders for tonight. Predictable but enjoyable.

Teflon, did you buy the meatballs or make them from minced meat? If you made them (might work with bought as well, especially if you smash one up in the pan Smile), try using 1dl calf stock to “clear the pan” and get all the juices and then 1.5 dl heavy cream together with 5-7 fresh basil leaves. It is really tasty. Especially together with mashed potatoes and lingonberry jam.... My grandmother used to make that.

They were vegetarian ikea meatballs, which my aunt picked up by mistake earlier this year. Ikea of course dont understand that having all their meatball range in identical black bags, might be confusing.
lifestooshort123 · 25/10/2020 06:10

Morning all - this clock changing does my head in every year. Kettle on and back to bed.

MoreHippoThanPenguin · 25/10/2020 06:56

Oh, vegetarian meatballs, I have never tried those... I get very sentimental over Swedish food as my late grandmother used to cook meatballs for me ❤️.

I always end up with a bag of food at IKEA, so I can relate to your aunt. I would recommend the pickled herring, but both Mr Hippo and the Little Hippos pretends that I try to poison them if I serve it. I think maybe you need to eat those from a young age...

TracysShoulder · 25/10/2020 07:10

Morning all.

Coffee and pecan nut muffins for the early birds.

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thegcatsmother · 25/10/2020 07:42

Not sure I approve of it being light this early.

LilyLangtrey · 25/10/2020 07:57

Morning, Clunkers!

On this day in 1400, Geoffrey Chaucer died. Father of English literature, widely considered the greatest English poet of the Middle Ages and the first one to have been buried in Poet's Corner of Westminster Abbey, he wrote the Canterbury Tales, collection of 24 stories written in Middle English. Here is a sample:

‘Wepyng and waylyng, care and oother sorwe
I knowe ynogh, on even and a-morwe,'
Quod the Marchant, 'and so doon oother mo
That wedded been.'

If you struggled a little with that, take heart from the fact that just as we can only appreciate Shakespeare with a little help, so Shakespeare would have found Chaucer’s work a bit of a challenge. How did you
do?

‘Weeping and wailing, care and other sorrow
I know enough, in the evening and in the morning,'
said the Merchant, 'and so do many others
who have been married.'

In 1889, James Maybrick, cotton merchant, fell ill and died in Liverpool. Suspicion had fallen on his wife, Florence Maybrick, who was found to have taken a lover, and she was arrested about two weeks before his death. Arsenic poisoning was the likely cause of his death and it could be extracted by soaking flypaper in water. Florence stood trial at St George’s Hall, Liverpool, and was convicted - lengthy proceedings in which she was treated so unfairly as a scarlet woman by the judge that her sentence of death was commuted to life imprisonment. In 1904, her case was re-examined and she was released but from her arrest in 1889 until her death in 1941, she never saw her two children again.

In July this year, the BBBC broadcast an episode of ‘Murder, Mystery and My Family’ in which two QCs, one for the prosecution and one for the defence, examined the evidence and the original trial in forensic detail and put their findings to a Crown Court judge.

They found that James Maybrick had numerous mistresses, a common law wife, and treated Florence with coldness. He self-medicated a great deal, indeed heavily, and only two of his drugs of choice did not contain poison. His condition, which might have been expected to improve once Florence had been arrested on suspicion of poisoning him, continued to deteriorate until he died. Modern experts, assisting the QCs, stated that Victorian society used arsenic as a beauty aid, and for someone like Mrs Maybrick to extract a small amount of the poison from flypaper would have been commonplace. A modern-day expert on Victorian society was consulted by the QCs, and was asked whether an affair between Florence and an associate of her husband could in any way influence the judge's summing-up, thus prejudicing the jury. Oh yes it could. Double standards abounded then; still do.

The Crown Court judge, having considered all the evidence put forward by the QCs, concluded that Florence Maybrick had been convicted on Victorian attitudes to sexual scandal, and the original trial judge was so heavily prejudiced that his two-day summing up had blindsided the jury into giving a guilty verdict of murder by undermining her character. Therefore, the verdict was unsafe. Well, thank goodness that doesn’t happen any more. I’ll just leave these here 💐

In 1951, 26 year old Margaret Roberts, of the Conservative Party, became the youngest candidate to stand at a general election. The Conservatives won a narrow overall majority but she failed to win the seat. She didn’t give up though.

In 1983, the USA invaded Grenada, six days after the Grenadian PM and others had been executed in a coup d'état. As American interventions go, it was a bit embarrassing. Grenada was a British protectorate and Ronnie forgot to clear it with Maggie first. To say she wasn’t best pleased would be something of an understatement. He was in the doghouse with her and boy, did he know it.

In 2013, a dog walker found around £60k in banknotes, some charred, floating in South Drove Drain in Spalding. The police never traced the owners despite extensive enquiries and so finders keepers applied.

Here’s to you, Florence 💐

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TracysShoulder · 25/10/2020 08:01

I forgot about the time change momentarily; went downstairs, made tea at 7 something, came back upstairs with laptop to find it was only 6 something. Confused
2 of our clocks don't change automatically.

TracysShoulder · 25/10/2020 08:04

Morning Lily Smile
Off to read OTDs.

AnneRIPanki · 25/10/2020 08:20

Morning!

Gramgram · 25/10/2020 08:22

Morning Clunkers,

Gloomy here after a night of heavy rain so no long walk for me today.
Thank you for the OTD, Lily. Those muffins look good too.

Will be waddling off for newspapers shortly.

Take care everyone and stay dry.

DistantShores1 · 25/10/2020 08:33

Morning all.
Poor Florence. What a sad story and a sad life she had. 💐

I enjoyed the verse Lily and was grateful for the translation. I got the gist of most of it except the 3rd line.

A change in the clocks made my 9.15 lazy rising not look so bad.
Off to enjoy my smiley coffee and pecan muffins if there's any left. Thank you Tracy

AnneRIPanki · 25/10/2020 08:34

Thanks for the OTD, Lily . Poor Florence ☹️

AnneRIPanki · 25/10/2020 08:38

Thanks for the coffee and muffins @TracysShoulder .

Nelllyyy · 25/10/2020 09:04

Morning Clunkers,

Hope everyone is ok and enjoying their Sunday just chilling, the weather here has calmed down for now.

Lily, thank you for my history lesson, poor Florence, the worst part was never seeing children again, that is vey sad.

Tracy Thank you for breakfast, I think I will have a smiley coffee, I need waking up.

Well MrN decided to changed all the clocks at 8pm last night (don’t ask), which confused me no end, anyway went to bed and was then rudely woken from my deep sleep by the alarm going off a 3am, I dare say he woke the whole street because that alarm is as loud as anything, the worst thing was it wouldn’t turn off, then he was trying to turn it off in the dazed state that he was in he managed to switched the radio on which was on the highest volume setting (we don’t use the radio) , in the end I got up and pulled the plug from the socket, glared at him turned the light off and got back into bed but could not get back to sleep, I think I finally fell asleep roughly 4.40am ish and woke at 7am but is really 8am, I’m still confused and feel slightly jet lagged.

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. 😁❤️👍🏻

DorisLessingsLesson · 25/10/2020 09:11

Gosh poor Florence Sad
Her story gave me flashbacks to a series about Mary Ann Cotton - but Mary Ann did murder her husbands and her children when they were in the way of her ambitions.
Thanks for the Chaucer Lily. It makes me want to dig out my old dog-eared copy and read some more.

MoreHippoThanPenguin · 25/10/2020 09:17

Pecan nut muffins!!! Yes we please Smile!

I feel so sorry for Florence, that is appalling.

Nelly, a 3am alarm, that is shocking! You must be feeling dreadful.

I Kind of like the clock change. So nice to be able to go for an early morning walk without having to wait for sunrise (I had a cup of tea at home yesterday waiting for it to get a bit lighter, today I just walked out).

AnneRIPanki · 25/10/2020 09:28

Ooh @Nelllyyy ! What an awakening !

MissSarahThane · 25/10/2020 09:28

Grenada was a British protectorate and Ronnie forgot to clear it with Maggie first. To say she wasn’t best pleased would be something of an understatement. He was in the doghouse with her and boy, did he know it.

Apparently HMQ wasn't pleased with either of them, because nobody told her.

Nelllyyy · 25/10/2020 09:29

@AnneRIPanki

Ooh *@Nelllyyy* ! What an awakening !
😁😂❤️👍🏻
StormzyinaTCup · 25/10/2020 09:41

Morning all.
Thanks for the OTD Lily and for the coffee and muffins Tracy.

Woke up to a grey and rainy start but the sun has now come out (not sure how long for though as my neck of the woods has a weather warning for today) so think I will just finish up my smiley coffee and nip out whilst the going’s good.

Onprozacandmyhighhorse · 25/10/2020 09:45

Morning everyone. Thanks for the OTD. Poor Florence! Well that must have been some awakening for you Nellyyy. You'll feel all discombobulated for the rest of the day!
Lovely morning here but lots of clouds. Have a good day everyone x

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