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The Breakfast Club

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LilyLangtrey · 11/10/2020 12:44

Good afternoon, Clunkers!

Welcome to the Breakfast Club where the kettle is permanently on, the drinks flow and the snacks are both self-replenishing and calorie-free.

We start each day with a look at history and a tribute to a brave or inspiring woman. Mostly though, we just chat randomly about current affairs, recipes, life in lockdown, literature, music and anything else that comes into our heads.

Veteran Clunkers welcome. Anyone else who wants to join in the chat - sense of humour essential! - welcome.

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ResplendentAutumn · 16/10/2020 22:32

Bless her g cat. Old age!
Good pointers on what not to do.
Esp re telling adult dc what to do!

Interesting re Osborne.
Could potentially out myself slightly but friend quite fancied his db... Said to be a ladies man.... She's staunchly socialist and so are her family, it amused us to think of the turn around had she dated him around the time of the election, shoving vote tory posters up in her parents house 😂😂❎.

I've never warmed to Osborne. Is he worth his 650 grand for one day's work?

A long time ago some posters were asking questions about isas and sipps (thinking of black rock reminded me), I mentioned vanguard products, not flashy... They are baskets of everything... With different weighting and low fees. Large companies Rarely push them eg h and l.. Mine are doing well in spite of the current conditions.

Things are really hotting up Brexit wise. We are finally after all these long years actually coming to the finish line.

I'm feeling nostalgic about the arms and the old landlady there, diamond lil... I hope we can have some sort of celebration 🎉 🎉 at the time... Wonder how Barnier is feeling and macron... With his Penis wiper 😂😂

ResplendentAutumn · 16/10/2020 22:34

Vivien indeed. One of the most classic backfires EVER when Geldoff was shouting obscenities from that mega yacht down to those poor fishermen.

Viviennemary · 16/10/2020 22:46

Ah yes off shore tax Geldolf. To think I was taken in by him.

yellowspanner · 16/10/2020 22:47

Autumn, my mind is a blank. Give me a clue to your Arms name please

ZombieFan · 17/10/2020 00:19

I am wondering why UK TV news channels are not reporting that Today a French teacher has been beheaded by a parent for teaching their class about free speech.

I dont know what is worse, the horrific crime or the cover up of the crime.

TeflonTits · 17/10/2020 00:24

Just popping in to say night to you lovely ladies.

Theres jaffa cakes, and skittles in the cupboard!

MoreHippoThanPenguin · 17/10/2020 00:25

Evening everyone. Thank you all for being so welcoming. It has been so lovely to follow this thread (and the one at the other place).

I have just finished and submitted my essay Wine (I am trying to retrain) and can finally look a bit at all the interesting news that is going on.

I remember having this long discussion with a friend who considered the UK leaving the EU to be a disaster. It was quite interesting, she works in IT security and viewed it purely from a security and point of view where she feared that the combined effort against cyber attacks and misinformation would be severely weakened.

Have any of you looked into that?

I thought it was interesting because I had previously only looked at it from a financial point of view and concluded that with the explicit and implicit monetary obligations from the euro (different monetary policies, different social systems, same currency, but lack of fiscal coordination), the EU project was extraordinarily shaky....

MoreHippoThanPenguin · 17/10/2020 00:26

Hi Teflon, hope you are ok. I am sitting in a dark corner of the library with a glass of wine. I have just finished my work and am to hyper to go to sleep.... Wine.

LilyLangtrey · 17/10/2020 05:26

Morning, Clunkers!

On this day in 1091, London was struck by a tornado, the first reported in British history. London Bridge was demolished - well, it was just a wooden bridge - and the church of St. Mary-le-Bow in the city of London was badly damaged. Other churches in the area were demolished, as were over 600, mostly wooden, houses.

In 1651, Charles II fled to France after Oliver Cromwell defeated his army at Worcester. Not all by himself, obviously. He had a bit of help.

In 1727, John Wilkes, political agitator, was born in Clerkenwell. Although elected to Parliament four times, he was not allowed to take his seat. Eventually, working, and middle-class support secured him his rightful entry to Parliament where he fought for reforms and religious tolerance.

As Mayor of London, his motto was “Join Loyalty and Liberty”. He supported religious tolerance, opposed war with the American colonies and fought for the freedom of the press by getting a bill passed to end Parliament's ability to punish political reports of debates.

John Wilkes would have been none too pleased with newspaper owner Lord Beaverbrook then. On this day in 1936, Lord Beaverbrook promised Edward VIII that he would arrange for the British press to remain silent on the subject of his relationship with American divorcee Wallis Simpson. These days, it’s hard to hide anything for long on the internet - think of super injunctions for an example.

In 1985, the Law Lords, in the Gillick case, permitted doctors to prescribe oral contraceptives to girls aged under 16 without parental consent.

Victoria Gillick, a mother of ten, was opposed to children under the age of 16 being prescribed contraceptives without parental knowledge or consent. The Law Lords ruled that children under the age of 16 can consent to their own treatment if they're believed to have enough intelligence, competence and understanding to fully appreciate what's involved in their treatment. This is known as being Gillick competent. Otherwise, someone with parental responsibility can consent for them.

Mrs Gillick acted from her Catholic principles and although the ruling did not go her way, her case resulted in the Law Lords placing an important, although subjective, test that had to be met before health care professionals could treat a child under 16 without parental knowledge or consent.

Gillick competence is now under scrutiny as a result of the judicial review brought by that courageous young woman, Keira Bell, and led to Liz Truss stating this year that she believed that young people under 18 should be “protected from decisions that they could make, that are irreversible in the future”.

And so for her important contribution in helping to safeguard the children of today, we salute Victoria Gillick. 🥂

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TheReturnOfGavlar · 17/10/2020 07:01

Good morning and thank you 🙏🏻 Lilly, a more recent woman than usual who has made a difference.

I met Liz Truss a few times earlier in her political career. 🤔 she wasn’t well received in the constituency she was parachuted in to represent at the time. Whether that has altered I cannot say as I moved away.

How is Dizzy Lily? Kitler is a funny little thing - desperate to escape the confines of the house this morning. When his collar, adorned with multiple bells, comes out of the drawer he runs to the French doors and sits there looking statuesque. If I had told him to sit I couldn’t have a better response from him.

My kidneys hurt more today. I will be phoning the doctor this afternoon if the pain doesn’t subside.

TheReturnOfGavlar · 17/10/2020 07:01

😱😱😱 Lily!

AnneKipanki · 17/10/2020 07:16

Morning!

LilyLangtrey · 17/10/2020 07:22

Morning, Return and Anne, another dark morning...

Please do yourself a favour, R, and ring the GP this morning. Don't be a hero. It is best to get it checked out, and stay warm.

Dizzy Lily GrinGrinGrin

I've been called some things in my time, mostly unprintable things, but that did make me smile! Kitler operates on the same principle as Dizzy: "Everyone adores me and if they don't, why not???"

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TheReturnOfGavlar · 17/10/2020 07:28

🙏🏻, yes Lily, a comma would have made the world of difference.

lifestooshort123 · 17/10/2020 07:37

Morning all, another sleepless night. Thank you Lily (another early bird). The oral contraceptive debate I remember well and I totally supported Victoria Gillick in her concerns. I became engaged at 19 in 1971 and we both had to attend a doctor's appointment in order for me to be prescribed the pill - it was to prove I really was engaged to be married and not an immoral drain on society or somesuch. To think we've gone from that to debating puberty-altering drugs on request for children makes me very disheartened. I'm determined to be more cheerful today so from now on will think only positive thoughts - poached eggs I think!

yellowspanner · 17/10/2020 07:41

Good morning Clunkers on the cold, autumnal morning.
Thanks for the OTD Lily. I well remember Victoria Gillick and that ruling. Well, it has come back to bite the Tavistock, sure enough.
I am off out for the day so will not be around.
Gavlar, please go to the doctor.

Onprozacandmyhighhorse · 17/10/2020 08:19

Good morning Clunkers. Hope this finds you all well. Gavlar, that doesn't sound too good. Don't wait until this afternoon to try to see someone.
Thanks Lily, for today's OTD. I remember Victoria Gillick being in the news. How things change.

BigGreenOlives · 17/10/2020 08:21

Good morning all!

Thank you for the OTD. I remember discussing the lead up to the Gillick case with my mother in the kitchen. Although we were taught about periods at school and had biology lessons we weren’t told about the mechanics at all. Luckily I had read all sorts of unsuitable books Grin.

Looks like a lovely sunny autumnal day ahead, I hope everyone achieves their goals for the day.

TheReturnOfGavlar · 17/10/2020 08:25

Thanks everyone - my temperature and heart rate are both normal but my back hurts more. I walked to a shop yesterday, not very far but it was a big mistake.

I've had multiple lectures on what to watch out for and am still taking very strong antibiotics. No cold hands or feet or anything else on the list of doom.

So I'm going to try drinking gallons of water for 3 hours before I make the call. I can be at out of hours in ten minutes if necessary - they won't mess about.

TracysShoulder · 17/10/2020 08:28

Morning Clunkers.

Breakfast is our usual Saturday grab and go, or graze all day arrangement. Return, I'll send a butler with a tray so you don't need to move.

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meercat23 · 17/10/2020 08:30

@lifestooshort123

Morning all, another sleepless night. Thank you Lily (another early bird). The oral contraceptive debate I remember well and I totally supported Victoria Gillick in her concerns. I became engaged at 19 in 1971 and we both had to attend a doctor's appointment in order for me to be prescribed the pill - it was to prove I really was engaged to be married and not an immoral drain on society or somesuch. To think we've gone from that to debating puberty-altering drugs on request for children makes me very disheartened. I'm determined to be more cheerful today so from now on will think only positive thoughts - poached eggs I think!
Similar experience for me. I was 19 when I married and the pill was only available for married women. I was allowed to have it from six weeks before the wedding. My mother was outraged as she thought I shouldn't have it until after the wedding!Smile
thegcatsmother · 17/10/2020 08:54

I hope that whichever student mentioned that the Charlie Hebdo cartoons had been used in class is feeling really pleased with themselves today.

Going back to a discussion Zombie and I have had; this is why RE lessons can be a good idea.

BakedCam · 17/10/2020 08:58

Good morning, Clunkers, .

Thank you, Lily for this morning's OTD. The Gillick family are quite a dynasty. Is there anything of her on the puberty blockers? I'd love to know.

Gavlar - this is not sounding good. I think you should ring this morning as it might be this afternoon when they get to you.

Tracy
Thank you for breakfast.

Life and Meer - have a good day.

Yellow - morning.

I have not long been back from the airport, I'm going to have a couple of hours in the bed as I was up at 3am.

Therebythedoor · 17/10/2020 09:00

I thought Boris summed it up well - that Canada has a better deal than the one the EU wants/wanted to fob us off with.

Is it just me, or does Boris seem more focused and on the ball?

I get the feeling he comes into his own when right up against the wall but if a situation becomes long and drawn out he loses focus/interest (thinking of Covid here).

I enjoy the OTDs Lily. I think it's because, it includes things I've forgotten that have happened in my lifetime.

Getting the pill was easier for me than for you Lifestooshort. I saw my GP about 10 years later. (I also remember letting my mum know that evening - I was still living at home then - and she was rather shaken. Sometimes honesty is not the best policy...)

Is anyone else struggling with the lack of ability to store up responses to previous posts as they read through? I can't retain the posts I want to respond to. Thinking I might have to read with a notebook and pen handy.

Geldoff - aka 'Bob the Knob'

'Kitler' - 😆

OVienna · 17/10/2020 09:03

@lifestooshort123

Morning all, another sleepless night. Thank you Lily (another early bird). The oral contraceptive debate I remember well and I totally supported Victoria Gillick in her concerns. I became engaged at 19 in 1971 and we both had to attend a doctor's appointment in order for me to be prescribed the pill - it was to prove I really was engaged to be married and not an immoral drain on society or somesuch. To think we've gone from that to debating puberty-altering drugs on request for children makes me very disheartened. I'm determined to be more cheerful today so from now on will think only positive thoughts - poached eggs I think!
To think we've gone from that to debating puberty-altering drugs on request for children makes me very disheartened.

Yes, it's unbelievable really, isn't it?

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