Oh how I hate pikey chavs.

[kimiTheEasterBunny]

Yesterday I went out with DSs and a friend and her DS we had a lovely day, fed the swans, played mini golf, had a nice lunch then stopped off at the play park.
Boys playing nicely, when in come 2 Vicki Pollard look alikes and their offspring.
Cha as they come, Kids have matted hair and are snotty and the mothers have greasy hair pulled in to pony tails and ad skin and look like if they could spell the word diet they would die of shock.
So the kids start to play and the mums sit eating Mc'Donalds meals and moaning that it was not as nice as the one they had yesterday and telling one of the kids to F off for asking for a chip.

Anyway one of the girls pushes over friends DS who is 3 and my DS2 tells her that she must not do that as its not nice.
So fat mum one turns to fat mum 2 and says if he has a go at her again i'll smack him one so I give her my best you really think so you dirty ho look and she gets back to stuffing her fat face with minced feet.

About 10 minuets later we are getting ready to leave and DS2 falls over and starts to cry, comes running to me with scuffed up hands and knees, so fat mum 2 turns round and says for fuck sake shut up. so brushing down DS2 i say to him come on DS2 lets leave Vicki pollard to it (as she sits rolling her own fag) (could they get any more pikey) so she looks at me and I smle sweetly and walk off.
DS1 said mummy that woman was very rude, what if she had hit DS2 would you have hit her?
And you know what I would have done n a heartbeat. But like all weebles i think she would have wobbled but not fell down.

I hate people like that.
RANT OVER, nothing to see here go about your business.

I was not sneering down at anyone below me btw.
Although I do see how we can do this at people who feed their kids McDonalds, fruit shoots, haribo, sausage rolls, have affairs etc.
We must pick who we can and can't look down on I see.

I actually thought the references to them being fat were worse than the pikey comments.

C&C My aunt has lived in somerset for 25 years now but is still called a grockel.

But they were fat!

Brought up on sausage rolls and haribo would be my guess

so? WHy feel the need to use the word as an insult or even include it in your op?

Just describing the situation!

I think the problem with threads like this is the belief that people have the right to say whatever they like because they are angry

I know we all say things we regret in the heat of the moment but this emotional incontinence is really horrible to witness

love "emotional incontinence" franny

oh Kimi you just don't know when to stop, which you really should have done when you said sorry!
Now you've insulted all fat people on Mumsnet by implying they were bought up on sausage rolls and haribo

Haven't learned your lesson, yet, kimi?

For me, townies were a group of people - like skaters, goths etc, not an insult, just a group. Pikeys though is an insulting version.

I think it depends on where and when you were most in contact with the word townie though - it has changed back and forth across the years

Oh God, I go out for ONE DAY and look what happened!

I'm not saying we should all keep our emotions bottled up or anything, but there is no excuse and no NEED for a great big ugly public outpouring like this

of course people are offended

you said some vile things

if you must say things like this when you get cross then do it in private, not on here where it makes us feel nauseous

Well ima size 16 and I was not brought up on sausage rolls and fruit shoots.
And they can swear and threaten as long as the don't read the sun mirror or mail.

Thanks Fio, I was wondering!

I don't think anyone has said it was ok to swear at her child, have they or that she shouldn't be cross?

Just that, well, when I am livid, I might say or think some horrid things, but I would do it privately

I wouldn't stand in the middle of the high street (which is the RL version of MN) and shout racist and vile abuse

Kimi, its horrid that children are exposed to foul-mouthed people and I can't help but feel sorry for their own children.

I did have a whole post typed out about this but decided I didn't want to get involved in the debate about inappropriate usuage of a term I thought was a slang term. So I deleted it.

But I still want to say that children should not be exposed to such behaviour in a childs environment. And THEY are offensive and vile for behaving like that. Children should not be subjected to it. That, to me, is the point of this. And frankly I'm staggered that fewer people have been horrified by THAT.

OMG just read the first two posts!
How could I have missed this one

PS Has this thing kicked off yet?"

I think this thread is a classic 2 wrongs don't make a right situation, tbh. Obviously it's wrong, wrong, wrong for someone to casually tell a child to fuck off, shut up, etc or threaten to hit him/her. I would, like kimi, be quite apoplectically livid if someone behaved like this towards either of my children. No question. I expect I would rant and my language might be choice.

However, it is also wrong, wrong, wrong to go from absolutely justified anger at particular person's vile behaviour to a generalise about "people like that" or explain that nasty and utterly unacceptable behaviour in terms of the person's racial or social characteristics.

Imagine the uproar if this thread title had been entitled "I hate nigger bitches" or "I hate spaz scum" because horrible behaviour had been exhibited by a black woman or a person with cerebral palsy and that the OP had then gone on to negatively stereotype either of those groups extensively. People would leap in to say that this is not behaviour typical of those with black skin or a certain disability, that words such as "nigger" and "spaz" are sickeningly offensive. And they would be absolutely right. I think it is equally unacceptable to stereotype and pillory a subsection of socially excluded white people. Even if you meet people from this particular group whose behaviour is awful and unacceptable.

So no more Yummy Mummies then?

IMO pykies have little in common with gypsies except that they "travel". "Pikies" as I know them are those they illegally arrive (and stay) on private land, steal electricity (usually) and leave a dreadful mess behind when they go. They often (but not always) bring quite a lot of petty crime into an area and often, fierce dogs as well.

Have had direct expereince of this so feel I am qualified to know the difference.

There is a world of difference between a romany gysy and a pykie. It's not to do with race, it's to do with how some groups of people conduct themselves.. and many of them orginate from a part of Kent where I grew up, so if I'm being racist, then I'm being racist against myself!

The film Snatch, (starring Brad Pitt as a pykie (the word is use throughout!) with his own excellent "made up" accent!) is not, to my knowledge considered a racist film!!

And meanwhile people LAUGH at racist rubbish like Borat, which IS racism dressed up as comedy.

OK, shoot me down for my ignorance but I thought Pikey was first and foremost a slang term, unlike Gypsy which refers to a race of people. Didn't Pikey become a slang term to refer to travellers in a general derogatory way? In that respect did it take over from the term 'gypo' or gypsies to refer to all travellers generally not Romany Gypsies.

I remember getting shot down in the '80s for having a conversation about Joe Cocker and asking if he was a spastic. Perhaps I was ignorant, but the charity was the Spastic Society and ran high street stores of the same name. Not sure why this is relevant, but I think its got to do with slang terms and their origins and how their use changes over time.

am loving this thread.