Oh how I hate pikey chavs.

[kimiTheEasterBunny]

Yesterday I went out with DSs and a friend and her DS we had a lovely day, fed the swans, played mini golf, had a nice lunch then stopped off at the play park.
Boys playing nicely, when in come 2 Vicki Pollard look alikes and their offspring.
Cha as they come, Kids have matted hair and are snotty and the mothers have greasy hair pulled in to pony tails and ad skin and look like if they could spell the word diet they would die of shock.
So the kids start to play and the mums sit eating Mc'Donalds meals and moaning that it was not as nice as the one they had yesterday and telling one of the kids to F off for asking for a chip.

Anyway one of the girls pushes over friends DS who is 3 and my DS2 tells her that she must not do that as its not nice.
So fat mum one turns to fat mum 2 and says if he has a go at her again i'll smack him one so I give her my best you really think so you dirty ho look and she gets back to stuffing her fat face with minced feet.

About 10 minuets later we are getting ready to leave and DS2 falls over and starts to cry, comes running to me with scuffed up hands and knees, so fat mum 2 turns round and says for fuck sake shut up. so brushing down DS2 i say to him come on DS2 lets leave Vicki pollard to it (as she sits rolling her own fag) (could they get any more pikey) so she looks at me and I smle sweetly and walk off.
DS1 said mummy that woman was very rude, what if she had hit DS2 would you have hit her?
And you know what I would have done n a heartbeat. But like all weebles i think she would have wobbled but not fell down.

I hate people like that.
RANT OVER, nothing to see here go about your business.

No you dont place yourself in that situation to start with, you can see the wrong crowd coming your way & you have to address the situation before it becomes a situation IYKWIM.

I am not a bully, this girl who attacked my friend had caused alot of young girls lives misery. I coulnt stand to see it anymore and had a word with her. I dont go about bullying people, I dont judge anyone but I wont have someone causing misery.

I'm off to bed now too my dd is wandering around upstairs (little madam)

A local farmer, Tony Martin was jailed for defending his property from travellers (and later released). They set out to steal.

Um, Tony Martin went to bed fully dressed with his gun and got up and shot a 16 year old boy in the back as he was running away. That's hardly in the heat of the moment self-defence. And I think most people don't think theft merits the death penalty, even the ones who are pro death penalty. And even then, not meted out by the victims of theft.

This thread raises an issue I've been scared about. You see things like fights in playgrounds escalating into parents going around setting fire to other parents' houses. I know this is one-off exceptionally rare, but the truth is, I am not that hard, I'm not going to live in a rich area, and I'm not going to send my kids to private school. I always believed my mum would sort people out (I don't know what I imagined that meant - go and tell them off, I suppose) if someone bullied me, but I'm far too afraid of the kids and parents to go and sort anyone out for my daughter. I have a big husband, but he's a right weed. I think we're just going to have to teach her how to apologise to bullies.

My son was assaulted.

The police to 2 days to come.

agree with VVV

actually I don't think you can say what you would do in any given situation. An event happens and you act, one way or anther and it may not be the way you thought you would have acted in the cold light of day.

As an example, a number of years ago me and my mate returned to her house after aerobics to find it being burgled. As we stood open mouthed a guy ran past me with a video recorder in his mitts, so what did I do? I bloody chased him! Thankfully he was fleeter of foot than me - what the hell would I have done if I'd caught him?

If you'd asked me before hand would I chase a burglar of course I would have said 'no way'!

I was badly bullied at one school I attended and I would have been bloody grateful for someone like Hilllary, to be honest.

A dear family friend of ours is a big, strong bloke. Typical working class Yorkshireman. He reckons he has always had to have good self-control because if he hit someone, he would really hurt them - hands the size of dustbin lids and all that. When some local yobs turned up outside his house and were cat-calling threats against his son, he called the police. Said police didn't bother turning up for an hour, then arrested him because ringleader of nasty yobs claimed family friend had threatened them. What message did that send, exactly?

His tools were stolen from his van several times (he's a builder) so he started bringing them inside at night. Caught a young lad hanging round his van, obviously intending to have a go and see if there was anything to nick. Lad refused to sod off (probably because his girlfriend was there and he wanted to look hard) even though he was on private land. Then tried to punch my friend. Friend punched him back - actually pulled his punch as he didn't want to cause major damage. Guess who the police arrested?

Police happy to allow yobs and thugs to threaten violence, happy for thieves to get away with it, happy for intruders to refuse to leave private land when they are obviously planning to thieve. But not happy for anyone to defend themselves.

If the police refuse to defend people, what are those people supposed to do?

dp got into a fight with some men who came onto our property after the one of the world cup games the fight got nasty on the street and dp picked up a large hunk of wood complete with nails sticking out..I was terrified he would end up in prison for murder

a very nasty experience

they discussed that sort of thing on Jeremy Vine a while back edam.

Ex-copper on prog said it's easy to arrest the victim involved in a fracas cos they know where he lives whereas the yobs usually bugger off and no-one knows where they came from

Daily trivia:

The word "CHAV" is thought to come from "traveller" slang. The travellers (or maybe Romanies) came up with the term to refer to for "Poor white trash non-travellers". So calling someone "pikey chav" is logical nonsequiter. It's like saying "Nazi Jew", or "White Nigger" -- and about as offensive, too, to both groups.

I live near Tony Martin, too, and he shot (& killed) a man in the back, whilst standing at the top of his stairs, when the man was standing still, had surrendered, and the victim's arms were up in the air -- and Martin could clearly see that was the case. At the moment, human life is still more valuable (in law) than property, hence why Martin was jailed. Martin has a local reputation as a paranoid hermit. Not someone I'd nominate as my cultural champion.

I criticised Kimi for her original post and felt that she was being judgemental. That said I think some posters have gone completely OTT and I think it is wrong to accuse Kimi of racism, she was ignorant of the true meaning of the word "pikey" and used it in the wrong context, she did not intend to be racist.

TBH I think she deserves an apology for some of the responses.

I have to say I agree. I think the way everyone have attacked kimi is awful. Unfortunately that seems to be the way with mn atm.
I agree with you kimi. I would have felt exactly the same and I cannot see what you have said is wrong.

That's interesting, and depressing, Nadine.

Tony Martin does seem to have been a paranoid nutter and clearly you can't kill people for breaking into your house. But there does seem to be an issue about the police response to previous break-ins at his place. Maybe if the police had been able to convince him they were taking it seriously, he wouldn't have been waving a gun around? Dunno.

But I do know several cases where the police haven't bothered to go after the criminal - including when my sister woke up to find an intruder in her bed armed with a carving knife. Thank Christ he ran away when she screamed. But he'd taken her mobile and pulled out her phone wires so she couldn't get help. And he had stolen all her underwear, from her drawers and from the linen bin. I bet he will go on to rape someone.

Police said initially 'we'll get him, don't worry'. But once they'd checked the fingerprints, did sod-all - sister's sheets and laundry were returned to her with no warning six months later still in sealed evidence bags. She's still on Prozac more than two years later.

scummymumy's post was excellent.

am still loving this htread!

agree with motherinferior pikey is an offensive term - a shortened form of turnpike wich means a traveller. not all are bad ones. have reported it too.

A very belated thankyou to Franny for the terms 'Poncey Pikey' and 'Toff Chav' to describe my little darlings who insist on dressing like the kids they see on the mean streets around our house.

My ds1,7, who as you'll probably know has AS, was aatacked by some kids for using a disabled loo at the swimming pool when he )apparently ) wasn't 'allowed' (presumably because you can't see AS). His head was bashed against the cistern aand he ahd a huge black eye. The pool wouldn't do anything (include accept a complaint) because we couldn't prove what happened. they wouldn't take the deyails of the culprits who were there, either, becasue they denied it. Without that the Polivce had no info to pursue. Now, i love my son dealrly byut that's not good enough call to keep a gun, or even threaten anyone, let alone injure or ahrass them in any way. The only way to beat yob culture is to teach the kids it's not on. I've seen DS1 bullied many times (AS kids get that- somehow the other parents seem to see him as fair game as well) but I can't imagine ever wanting to hit one of the other children.

I've already amde my feelings known on OP no need to reapeat. I do feel sorry for those poor children, doesn't sound like they are getting a great start in life. But you know kids can rise above it. langauge not my choice but not end of the world (I'd rather someone let out their anger with an expletive than a thump)- the general attitude and threats saddening though.

Thank you Nogoes and Frascati

Why did Tony martin feel the need to go to bed dressed and with a gun? Ask yourself that!
There were 3 lads who travelled many miles late at night by car to steal from Martin's house. They thought it was unoccupied. It wasn't.
The house was in complete darkness except from a torch that one of the lads was holding.
Martin shot at foot level to scare them away after having a torch shone in his face, he did not intend to kill. How did he know that he himself would not be shot or attacked. He may be eccentric or paraniod but I think he has the right to be.
I have no sympathy for any criminal who enters somebodys property or land and gets hurt.
If someone entered my home in the middle of the night I would do all I could to defend myself or my family.
Surely it is the descision of the intruder to enter that 'situation'. Whether it be cutting themselves on glass entering a building and bleeding to death or being shot by an owner.

The Travellers who started a fight in the pub my dad drinks in were scum! This was the 5th fight in as many pubs in a fortnight - fighting amongst themselves. My dad is 75 and was not able to get out of the way as he stood at the bar paying for his round. A broken bottle slashed him across the head, almost severing the top of his ear. He was knocked down and trampled over and was black and blue. The hospital urged him to report it but he was too scared. They were Irish Travellers - my dad is Irish. My dad won't return to the pub now and as far as he knows the Travellers were long gone before the police arrived.

yep they sound like scum (but they were people as much as travellers) tehre are dodgy, evil and nice travellers. Like anything else.

I hope your poor dad is OK? Must have been really, really scary for him poor chap.

RLYL I hope your dad is ok.

Decent people are not safe anywhere these days i'm afraid.