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More Harry Potter- Does anyone else think Snapes a goodie?

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imnot27 · 28/09/2006 11:22

Having re-read The Half Blood Prince last week, I think he is on the right side, but no-one agrees with me! Anyone else sad enough to have an opinion on this?

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aitch71 · 28/09/2006 20:02

and what is the etiquette for me revealing where i think the last horcrux? can i say or will i be shot down? (or has it been agreed already and it expatinscotland really JK Rowling?)

ghosty · 28/09/2006 20:02

Oh no .... 273 posts .... sometimes the NZ time difference is so hard [sigh]

aitch71 · 28/09/2006 20:03

is, not it.

FluffyCharlotteCorday · 28/09/2006 20:05

Tell us aitch tell us.

Snape must be good. Not because of Alan Rickman, who has lost his looks, but because Dumbledore can't have been wrong.

ghosty · 28/09/2006 20:06

Dumbledore IS dead - a curse can only be lifted by a counter curse or if the person who made the curse is dead ... and DD cursed Harry so that he couldn't move didn't he? And it was lifted the second DD was killed and went over the parapet.

aitch71 · 28/09/2006 20:13

DON'T READ THIS IF YOU ARE FUSSED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO TRY TO GUESS ENDINGS OF BOOKS LIKE HARRY POTTER***

I'm so embarassed to say this... I've only read the books whereas it does sound as if some of you (who should with the greatest respect, perhaps think about getting out more) could write a Phd thesis on them.

So I'm probably wrong, and there are probably a zillion reasons why this can't be true, but wouldn't it make sense that Harry's scar contained the last Horcrux? so that in the end it becomes a battle between the two? Could Voldemort always have been on a quest to get the Horcruxes and he's always been after Harry for that reason, although the HCs haven't become apparent, plot-wise, until recently?

Go on, shoot me down in flames...

Blandmum · 28/09/2006 20:19

OK, OK, I'm going out this weekend? OK
Mutter, mutter

Bet it is a horcrux

Damn, got sucked back in again!

Blandmum · 28/09/2006 20:28

The following was shamelessly copied from the leaky Cauldron website. Sorry if it is a bit long

'The following things will happen, according to the timeline and practices set by other books or things Jo Rowling has said:

Harry will turn 17. He will be allowed to perform magic outside school, and obtain an Apparition license.

Harry and his friends would be in his seventh year at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry - however, we don't know if he will attend class at all, or if Hogwarts will be open.

Harry will return to the Dursleys one last time.

He plans on starting his Horcrux hunt in Godric's Hollow. Ron and Hermione will accompany him, but the trio will first attend Bill and Fleur's wedding.

Seventh-year students will take NEWTs, the most difficult of wizarding tests.

The last chapter will contain details of what will happen to survivors. The last word is still "scar" (but may easily change).

There will be no Quidditch.

Harry and Ron will never read Hogwarts, A History. Never, Hermione. Ever.

There will be the final, climactic confrontation between Harry and Voldemort. (Harry's going to win, Harry's going to win, Harry's going to win...oh, sorry. That's just our opinion. Sort of. In a not-very-unlikely-opinion sort of way.)

Interview notes: We have all been obsessing about J.K. Rowling quotes for years; many of them haven't been clear on which book they reference. As there's only one book left, there are certain facts we can pull out of her interview quotes (using her Web site and Quick Quotes), which give us yet more clues as to what will happen in book seven.

The locked Ministry room may resurface. "No comment," said Jo, when TLC/MN asked her if we'd see it again.

We'll hear about Dumbledore's other letters to Petunia. Jo said, on her FAQ section:
What did Dumbledore's Howler to Aunt Petunia mean? ('Remember my last'?) ...Dumbledore is referring to his last letter, which means, of course, the letter he left upon the Dursleys' doorstep when Harry was one year old. But why then (you may well ask) did he not just say 'remember my letter?' Why did he say my last letter? Why, obviously because there were letters before that...
Now let the speculation begin, and mind you type clearly, I'll be watching...

P.S. It has been suggested that I am wrong in saying that Dumbledore's last letter was the one he left on the doorstep with baby Harry, and that he has sent a letter since then concerning Harry's illegal flight to school. However, both Dumbledore and I differentiate between letters sent to the Dursleys as a couple, and messages directed to Petunia ALONE. And that's my final word on the subject - though I doubt it will be yours
There is yet more to Petunia than we know. This may relate to the above, but J.K. Rowling said the following at the Edinburgh Book Festival in 2004; since it wasn't delivered upon in book six, it remains for seven: "You might have got the impression that there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye, and you will find out what it is. She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet. "

Umbridge will return. "It's too much fun to torture her and not have another little bit before I finish." (TLC/MN interview)

There is yet more to come about Rita Skeeter: Also at the Edinburgh Book Festival: "I actually quite like Rita. She is loathsome - morally, she's horrible - but I can't help admiring her toughness. She is very determined to do the job and there is something quite engaging about that. There is more to come on Rita."

We will discover what Dudley saw when the Dementor approached in book five. Someone asked this in the World Book Day chat; Jo said, " Ah, good question. You'll find out! "

The two-way mirror from book five will likely resurface. (World Book Day Chat)

We will find out what happened to Sirius's flying motorbike, "but the real sleuths among you might be able to guess." (World Book Day)

Krum will appear. (World Book Day)

Grindelwald as something to do with the remaining plot. (TLC/MN interview)

Sirius may appear again, though in which form is uncertain. The infamous question from the World Book Day chat read, "If we ever see Sirius again, what form will he be in?" Jo said, "I couldn't possibly answer that for fear of incriminating myself."

We will find out a little bit more about Harry's grandparents. (World Book Day)

Harry's eye color (or something about his eyes resembling his mother's) is very important to this book. (Many chats; World Book Day, most recently, but there's also this nugget from the Boston Globe from 1999: "But he has his mother's eyes and that's very important in a future book."

Wormtail's life-debt to Harry will come into play. (World Book Day.)

James and Lily Potter's professions/more about their lives will be revealed. (AOL Chat, 2000) This is "important to a future plot," as Jo revealed to Scholastic in Feb. 2000.

The gleam of triumph seen in Dumbledore's eyes at the end of book four is still enormously important. (TLC/MuggleNet Interview, July 2005, and others.)

Harry may time-travel again. Jo has said "Not telling!" to this question, usually the kind of dodge that means there's something related to it upcoming in the books. (AOL Chat, 2000)

A non-magical character will perform magic in "desperate circumstances." Jo said this would happen back in 1999, in a Barnes and Noble chat, but it has yet to occur. She said, "There is a character who does manage in desperate circumstances to do magic quite late in life, but that is very rare in the world I am writing about."

Mr. Weasley's car will appear. Jo said in a 1999 Barnes and Noble Chat, chat that we "will hear from Mr. Weasley's car again, but yet again, I'm not telling you how." Only one book left!

Snape Snape Snape, itsa Snape, alwaysa Snape... from "The Connection, 1999":
There's an important kind of redemptive pattern to Snape. He, um, there's so much I wish I could say to you, and I can't because it would ruin. I promise you, whoever asked that question, can I just say to you that I'm slightly stunned that you've said that and you'll find out why I'm so stunned if you read Book 7. That's all I'm going to say.
One of Harry's classmates will become a Hogwarts teacher. Also revealed in The Connection. C'mon, Jo, we know Neville takes over for Sprout - which means he won't die, right? Please? Please? ... Fine, be that way.

A huge piece of information is coming about Lily Potter. Also revealed in The Connection. "...you'll find out something incredibly important about her in Book 7. But I can't tell you what those things are so I'm sorry, but yes, you will find out more about her because both of them are very important in what Harry ends up having to do. "

We will find out why some witches and wizards become ghosts and some do not. (Scholastic, Feb. 2000)

The "Godric" in "Godric's Hollow" is not insignificant. Lizo conducted a four-part interview in 2000, in which the following exchange took place:
The significance of the place where Harry and his parents lived - the first name... Godric Gryffindor. Very good, you're a bit good you are aren't you. I'm impressed. You're not going to tell me but... My editor didn't, I said to her - Haven't you noticed the connection between where Harry's parents lived and one of the Hogwarts houses? And she said no, no - I'm not being rude about Emma, she's a brilliant editor, the best ever. But no she didn't pick that up either, you're a bit good you are.
And to assist you further in your clue-finding quest, here's a list of rumors J.K. Rowling has debunked recently:

Aunt Petunia is not magical, nor will she ever perform magic.

Lupin will not be back as a Defense Against the Dark Arts teacherin book seven.

Peter Pettigrew's silver hand will not be used to kill Remus Lupin.

J.K. Rowling will not write a book about Lily and James when she's done writing Harry Potter.

The Sorting Hat is not a Horcrux.

Mrs. Norris is not an unregistered Animagus.

Harry is not a Metamorphmagus.

Dumbledore is not Ron or Harry from the future.

Nicolas Flamel will not teach potions at Hogwarts.

Luna and Neville will not "hook up."

The Lestranges were not sent after Neville to kill him.

Neither Voldemort nor Dumbledore are Harry's close relatives.

Lily was never a Death Eater.

Lily Potter is not alive.

Crookshanks is not an Animagus.

Neville is not Pettigrew's son.

Lupin does not have a twin.

Blandmum · 28/09/2006 20:29

I have now outed myself as the Ubernerd.

And will exit

Pruni · 28/09/2006 20:35

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saltire · 28/09/2006 20:36

Wouldn't it be great if MN towers got JKR in for a live chat? It would take forever to answer all the questions i would have for her

alexsmum · 28/09/2006 21:24

i wonder if mnhq could organise that? how cool would that be?

DumbledoresGirl · 28/09/2006 21:25

By imnot27 on Thursday, 28 September, 2006 7:00:41 PMBack again! Had my tea! Dumbledoresgirl, in the order of the phoenix (I think!), when Harry tells D that Voldermort could now touch him without being burned, he thinks he sees a 'gleam of triumph' (or sommat) in Ds

Sorry, I haven't been around this evening and haven't yet read what is written after this post, but I just wanted to say, I remember that bit of the book too and assumed the gleam of triumph was that Dumbledore now saw the way forward for Harry to defeat Voldemort in some way we know not of.

As for the Dumbledore/Harry relationship bit being odd and contrived - oh dear, you are spoiling things for me now . Their relationship (and the Snape/Harry relationship) are what brought the books alive for me. Oh that and some Ron comments!

DumbledoresGirl · 28/09/2006 22:16

From MB's big post: "Grindelwald has something to do with the remaining plot."

I told you so! That is the evil wizard Dumbledore defeated in 1945. I still reckon Dumbledore has his own horcrux.

I have to say though, that I am seriously upset at the idea that Dumbledore might be a baddy. I could live with anyone dying in book 7, but I would seriously not be happy if the whole Dumbledore persona was shown to be a hoax.

God, who is the saddo now, sitting here typing to no-one that she can't bear to be deceived and betrayed by a fictional character? !

Pruni · 28/09/2006 22:17

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DumbledoresGirl · 28/09/2006 22:18

Oh damn I missed that. what was it like? I saw a trailer for it yesterday and could only see him as Harry.

aitch71 · 28/09/2006 22:23

i thought he was hilarious. but not as hilarious as diana rigg.

DumbledoresGirl · 28/09/2006 22:23

Wll I have just discovered why most of the posters on this thread are absent now: Alan Rickman is on Channel 4 right now.

Pruni · 28/09/2006 22:23

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fartmeistergeneral · 28/09/2006 22:25

am dumbfounded (and embarrassed by my poor literary knowledge) that a thread re whether or not snapes is a baddie has generated 296 posts!!

fartmeistergeneral · 28/09/2006 22:25

also, did see some of dr on extras and cringed. He looks so old. Cringing at thought of childlike Harry having, you know, sexual thoughts. NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

DumbledoresGirl · 28/09/2006 22:26

It has rather moved on from that initial question Fartmeister . But I think I speak for HP fans when I say that we could debate the colour of Snape's underwear for 1000 posts with no difficulty at all.

aitch71 · 28/09/2006 22:26

i thought that was the idea, pruni.

fartmeistergeneral · 28/09/2006 22:27

aha, a certain attraction for Mr Rickman I presume?

Pruni · 28/09/2006 22:28

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