Jordan giving birth "live" on the internet what do you think?

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The headline in yesterday's News of the Screws (we buy that and 2 broadsheets, but guess which one always gets read first?!) was that Jordan is going to give birth live on the internet. What do people think?

Perhaps the RNIB put out their view in the hope that it would alert other pregnant women who perhaps were burrying their heads in the sand about the potential damage they could do to their unborn child?

I'm sure a lot of people just think it won't happen, and while I do sympathise with Jordan, she is in the limelight, and with publicity comes good and bad. Hopefully, whether Harvey's condition was caused by her behaviour or not, the speculation may help to discourage other women making the wrong choices in pregnancy.

I was actually discussing this with my dh the other day Sobernow! It seems unfair that there are so many people waiting for liver transplants and here is a man who has drank and drank, despite all the best medical help in the world, and now he has a new liver to spoil! I wonder if we can put clauses on our organ donor cards? I would rather my liver went to someone suffering from leukemia than someone who has just spent years boozing. Sorry if that sounds judgemental!

Really good point, sobernow - and apt, given your name!
It's double standards a go-go again, as far as the media goes. I spose some will say that George Best was only harming himself, whereas Jordan had a responsibility to her unborn child???
But that detracts from all the hurt he's cause loved ones, not to mention the time and money (NHS or private?) spent on his hospital care.
BTW, the wasn't excusing Paula Yates's behaviour by attributing it to a lousy childhood - I just meant she seemed very needy and Michael Hutchence gave her something Bob Geldof did not, in her eyes. I think that's why Bob G found it so hard to believe she was behaving the way she was: because it was such a turnaround for her.

I don't think that many people think George Best is such a great bloke. He is an alcoholic and was on the NHS waiting list after very careful consideration of his doctor and when a suitable match came up, he qualified. He did however, pay for the op and his care afterwards, I think around £60k. He wasn't buying a liver, just paying when he could clearly afford to, for the operation and aftercare. I don't think he'll be able to just start getting drunk again, I know someone who had a liver transplant and is on pills for life and only allowed to drink tiny amounts of alcohol.
The thing about people like Jordan, Paula Yates, George Best, and loads of us who aren't so famous is that we all probably have good reasons to indulge in drinks/drugs/negligable behaviour which stem from our childhoods. However, at some point we make decisions not to continue the cycle of self-destruct and seek help and do something about it.
I think that decision process marks the making of a mature adult.
When people don't seek the help they perhaps require and which we can all see they need, they then seem to get zero sympathy and judged too harshly in my opinion.

Saw something today though that made me fume! Apart from Jordan being photographed at the airport taking Harvey to the US wearing a t-shirt saying BABE and a fake cleavage (is that really appropriate?), it also turns out that another reason she was in the US was to do the Playboy centrefold. And she was pictured living it up with Hugh Heffner and his pals looking like she didn't have a care in the world! Now if I had just been told that my baby might be blind for the rest of his life, and I was off to the US for a last chance to save his sight - would I want to go partying? I think not! How can she tell the newspapers how gutted she is when she goes and does this???

Naive yes, also very, very stupid! Poor Harvey!

Well said Star and Jessi. I certainly don't see him as any kind of hero or role model but it isn't fair to say he is undeserving of a liver transplant because he brought it upon himself. If I stepped out into the road without looking and was knocked down and critically injured by a truck, am I undeserving of intensive care because I was careless?

I agree it does sound unfair, but after all the medical treatment he has had, including a newspaper campaign to stop pubs from serving him - no other alcoholic would get any of that. I resent the way he is being touted as a hero, he is just as naive and silly as Jordan, but she's a woman so that's different of course, she's meant to be silly and naive! But I do also think that it is highly unfair that there are adults and children dying of cancer, leukemia, etc who did not bring about their conditions, and there are people who have smoking related diseases and drinking related diseases that are also queuing up to get transplants. No-one should judge, but if there was only one liver and you had three men waiting for it, a smoker, an alcoholic and someone suffering from leukemia, who would you give it to?

My oldest friend has just come out of hospital. He had jaundice and had swelled up terribly. He is a heavy drinker and his liver is failing. He has been told he has little hope of a transplant on the nhs. Because the damage is self-inflicted, he will be at the back of the queue. If he stops drinking, he has a future.

I read that George Best has stopped drinking for a year, and this was one reason why he could now get a liver transplant. I sincerely hope that if my friend stays off the juice, the nhs will look kindly on him, too.

Star, I, too, hate making firm judgements about celebrity lifestyles as portrayed in the media. Not saying I am perfect, a bit of speculation is another thing entirely...

However, if the nhs have to make a choice on who gets a liver and who doesn't I guess they must pick the most deserving cases, and if there aren't enough livers, then you have a problem. Glad I'm not involved in playing god. The decision must be an awful burden for someone.

please don't class smokers with alcoholics and drug addicts! when did you ever hear of someone having a road accident or getting into a punch up because they had one too many cigarettes!

or mugging old ladies to support their nicotine habit!

Star - I am a poor Christian I know! Good job I'm not a doctor really isn't it! It is very judgemental of me, but that is the way I feel. Just as I get cross when I have to sit in casualty for 3 hours with a blood clot on my arm that is very swollen and bruised, whilst others are sat there with the tiniest cuts, or just plain drunk! There are some who lead a good life and get ill through no fault of their own, there are others who lead luxurious lives and get ill because they have abused their bodies. I now hear that George Best is in a luxury private ward recovering - well at least he's not draining the NHS anymore, unless he starts drinking again that is.

so ( cough cough ....... wheeeeeeze!!) as a smoker i vote we get back to slagging off jordan...!
she is a bad mother!

Shouldn't really include smokers I know. However being a smoker is like being a drinker, you can get someone who smokes about 10 a week and costs the NHS nothing, then you get someone who smokes 40 a day, like an alcoholic, sooner or later they will need the NHS. Of course these people should get treatment, they have paid their taxes as much as we have, I just feel sorrier for the ones who lead healthy lives and then get cancer or something. You can give up alcohol or smoking and drastically lessen your chances of needing treatment, but once you have cancer or leukemia, there is nothing you can do about it.

Just heard on the news that there is a shortage of donor organs. Wouldn't surprise me if the NHS did start playing God, as I'm sure some of them do already. Scary really.

i don't really want to defend smoking, or claim that it is without social cost. however, i do think there are socially acceptable ways to harm yourself and need nhs treatment which nobody ever questions. skiiing anyone? go down with a tropical illness abroad, need treatment when you return?

why should i be less deserving of help on the nhs than someone who has hurt themselves through extreme sport or other recklessness?

i just don't like rationing, because of the subjectivity of the rationing process and the moral judgement it involves. and yes i would pay more tax if it would stop it happening!

di anyone hear the discussion this morning on the disease Jordan's baby has - apparently it's genetic, rare and has no defined link to parental behaviour during pregnancy. It develops at between 3 and 8 weeks of pregnancy, so even if it was behaviour related, most of us would probably fall into the sweep of people who got raving drunk just before they found out they were pregnant - I know I did and worried for the next 7 months! Apparently, the rnib has been forced to take off a quote from it's website siting a possible link, and there is no medical backing for this view. Poor Jordan - she must have enough on her plate anyway without being villified in the press. Still, you live by the press, you die by the press I guess......