Jordan giving birth "live" on the internet what do you think?

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The headline in yesterday's News of the Screws (we buy that and 2 broadsheets, but guess which one always gets read first?!) was that Jordan is going to give birth live on the internet. What do people think?

Sorry but she did drink and do drugs when she was pregnant didn't she? I know she denies it but there are numerous photos of her lurching around bars with a drink in her hand, very heavily pregnant and so obviously paralytic. When she gave birth I did wonder the baby didn't have any birth defects, now it turns out he has.

It's not Jordan I have any sympathy for at all, it's her baby.

I don't know about the drugs, but I'm sure many women drink alcohol without even knowing they're pregnant and no ill-effects happen. it's a terrible thing to happen to anyone, even someone as mixed up and attention grabbing as Jordan.

Is it permanent, ie can anything be done medically?

Poor baby - I think drinking to excess could have something to do with it rather than 'drinking', but then we only see what the media wants us to see. Who knows if those piccies we saw when she was pregnant were of her at the permissable 'one or two drinks and then I'll switch to water' phase.

Is it permanent, ie can anything be done medically?

Poor baby - I think drinking to excess could have something to do with it rather than 'drinking', but then we only see what the media wants us to see. Who knows if those piccies we saw when she was pregnant were of her at the permissable 'one or two drinks and then I'll switch to water' phase.

Oops - flaming refresh button!

Hear, hear, sobernow

Monnie, the article says her baby has no optic nerves, so I doubt anything could be done

Aiiieeee...I do hope mothers of babies with disabilities don't see this. They feel bad enough as it is. Poor Jordan, and poor baby. The lack of an optic nerve means the baby may well be totally blind, and it has nothing to do with drinking or drugs in pregnancy...that was confirmed by the doc in the paper...and even if it did, why judge so harshly someone you have never met? Why not have a bit of compassion? I think Jordan is probably a silly girl (judging, yes, but not harshly) but she probably loves her baby to bits and is devastated about this sadness.

I agree, Tiktok. It is a terrible thing to happen to any baby or any parent. I also agree about the media angle - how much of what we read is true and how much is manipulated for publicity /hype? Most of the mums on this site are a bit wary of the journalists who post here and I'm sure they are very reputable, unlike the tabloid press. Previously, I have always thought of Jordan as a bit dim and probably not someone I would really want to get to know better, but now I feel that she deserves support not slagging.

Tictok You are absolutely right. Jordan (Katie)'s aunt is a good friend of mine . The family is absolutely devastated and it was NOTHING to do with her behaviour in pregnancy(although personally I think it was not good at times) just as my baby's cerebral palsy was not my fault - and it took a long time for me to accept that .

I can't believe that anyone could be so judgemental. Ok so maybe Jordan wasn't the best example of how to behave during pregnancy, but surely she deserves a lot of sympathy and compassion at this stage. I refuse to believe that there is a single mum in the world who has deliberately behaved in a way that would damage their unborn baby. Yes everyone is aware of what not to do, but in many cases, especially first time mums the consequences of their actions don't become clear until the child is born. For a lot of people it doesn't seem real until their baby is here.

Guilt is a tremendous burden, and IF she has contributed to his condition in any way she will live with that for the rest of her life. She won't need people pointing fingers at her.

My first child was born with many problems due to drugs that were prescribed to me for epilepsy. I took them believing they wouldn't harm her. They did and we had years of hospital appointments, seeing neurologists, cardiac specialists, physio, speech therapy. The fact that i was given legal drugs to take didn't stop the guilt I felt for many many years after.My last child was born with cerebral palsy but although it is nothing i have done this time the guilt remains the same.

Jordan must be going through a very difficult time right now, it doesn't seem right to accuse her of things we have no idea about. She must be going through hell, and it doesn't matter how her son became blind.

Incidentally I know mothers who have been registered drug addicts, and those that smoke and drink throughout pregnancy and have had babies far healthier than mine, when I didnt do either. I would also think that if her son's blindness was due to her lifestyle then it would be part of a syndrome ( a collection of symptoms) rather than one physical abnormality.

MABS, I saw part of that documentary which followed Katie around (makes her sound much more human, than 'Jordan' and it left me feeling very sad - she seemed caught up in the media/showbiz machine which obviously bewildered her, so she made some bad choices about what to do with her life. I expect her family's support is what she wants/needs most at the moment

gosh - don't know where that winky/smiley came from, it was just a bracket! sorry

Well said MABS, lou33 and Sobernow.

I have stuck up for Jordan before and I would never dream of blaming mothers for having disabled babies as most of you should know! I just cannot stand seeing someone heavily pregnant and behaving like a silly teenager with no thought whatsoever for the babies health. She was seen snorting cocaine and justifying it by saying it's ok as long as it doesn't enter the placenta!

There are things in pregnancy that will affect a baby, like drinking may cause hare lip and so on. It doesn't mean to say every mother who has a baby with a hare lip has been drinking though. I think my words have been taken out of context which is also very judgemental of you all. Yes of course I'm sorry the baby is blind, and if the doctors say it has nothing to do with the way she acted whilst pregnant, then fine, I feel sorry for her too. But I can't have a lot of sympathy for someone who showed complete disregard for her baby whilst pregnant ("I've only nine weeks to go and I'm going to make the most of my freedom" quote from Jordan when photographed getting drunk and asked why she was drinking). The baby however, I have ample sympathy for. I hope she can now turn her life around and focus on the baby, I hope Dwight Yorke may change too.

Never judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes. The press is very manipulative and we only see tiny fragments of "celebrity" lives like this. Quotes are often made up if not greatly exaggerated, so just because something was stated/ seen in the press doesn't make it true. People also say many things they don't mean as a way of hiding their own fears and insecurities. A lot of women don't grasp the consequences of their actions until they have a real live screaming baby in their arms. It's going to be hard enough for her coping with a blind child, knowing he will never see his parents faces, without putting the blame fairly and sqaurely on her shoulders when we really know nothing about the real her.

Rhubarb, in your earlier post you said we shouldn't hate her, but pity her for being naive. I agree with that and I agree with lou33. The press do distort and who knows what really`went through her mind before the birth and what is going through her mind now?

Maybe I've missed something here but I thought that she didn't go through with the internet birth in the end - didn't she have the baby about 4 weeks ago now? (Isn't the baby called Harvey?)

did the press really make up her suggestion to have the birth as a pay-per-view event? I've not seen her deny it anyway.

Bootyful - yes you're right , Harvey was born a few weeks ago. This thread is now talking about the fact that he is totally blind

Mabs, thanks - I skipped through the replies (only read the thread).

That's really sad, I didn't realise he was blind.

I did feel sorry/pity for Jordan before the birth, as she didn't appear to have the wit to realise how much she was being manipulated by the media, and she sunk even lower in my estimation with her decision to have the birth live on the internet (thankfully that didn't happen), but she is entitled to every support now whether the defect was or was not caused by her behaviour in pregnancy. I'm sure this tragedy will bring out the best in her.

Totally agree that it is all too easy to jump to conclusions based on some fleet street hacks observations. Have no idea what Jordan was "up to" if anything during her pregnancy as did not witness it first hand. However, think that refusing to believe that there are women who would deliberately behave in a way that would put their unborn baby at risk is putting too much faith in some. Surely drug addicts who take crack or heroin and then give birth to "addicted" newborns - having been made well aware of the risks - fall in to that category?