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robinw · 21/01/2002 07:52

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Enid · 22/01/2002 20:07

Woah! Where did that come from? robinw - I didn't assume that you had called me in particular a bitch! What comments? I didn't make any of the extreme ones - although I admit I started it. I b**y apologised as well, what d'you want, blood!

jodee · 22/01/2002 20:54

Sara7, I was just generalising. Can you not see the point here? I am not happy with this sort of sniping and if people want to carry on in that way, then here's the thread to do it on.

I'm going back to the happy, clappy, soft and fluffy sites and I think we should just knock this on the head.

jodee · 22/01/2002 20:55

I meant 'threads' not 'sites', whoops.

callie · 22/01/2002 20:57

Well Robinw .
Not only have you not apologised but you are actually saying that bigots and bitches is tame compared to what you really think!
BTW Lisav has not admitted to being outspoken because she isn't. The only person being outspoken is yourself and your not showing yourself in a v positive light.At least you've admitted that town and country was just a way of getting your bitches and bigots comments in.
Perhaps you should crawl back into your shell were you've been hiding for the last couple of days.

You know ,I really was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and thought prehaps you were just having a bad day and you would apologise and that would be that. But all you've proved is that your nastier than I gave you credit for.
I really couldn't care less what you say now as I shall be avoiding any thread you post on in future .I would rather take advice from many of the wonderful mothers here such as TigermothWho I admire for never getting caught up in an argument.{} Enid,Lisav,Louisa,Winnie,Lindy,Sml and many others .
You are giving this site a bad name I suggest you start aq thread for yourself and you can call us names to your hearts content. Then perhaps we can ignore YOU>

TigerMoth1 · 23/01/2002 11:07

Callie, as Marina said on another tread, I come in peace. It's nice that you feel some mums on this site are wonderful mothers but I certainly fall far short of this, both here and in reality- we can all have our off days.

LisaV · 23/01/2002 15:04

RobinW - I have read some of your posts on other threads and you do seem to be decent and probably don't mean to cause offence. But in my latest posting about my concerns for my neighbours children you said "Since you enjoy a good debate I'm surprised you haven't just told your neighbours what they are doing". As the topic was completely unrelated to the WM/SAHM's debate I found this offensive and out of order. If you care to read some of my earlier comments on the WM/SAHM's debate you will see that I had called for peace, but then as I realised that most of the postings were done in good humour, I put forward my own opinions - isn't this what Mumsnet is about?

You have dragged my name into most of your postings implying that I am argumentative yet cannot stand a face-to-face confrontation "As Lisav admitted on another thread, if she was that outspoken to her neighbours..." what makes you think I am outspoken RobinW? And what is wrong with that anyway? I will go through my messages carefully to see if I said anything that could possibly have offended anyone, if I have please point it out to me. If not, then please do not mention my name in relation to your own rantings again.

I am sure that you are a really nice person and I for one hate to judge on the basis of some anonymous internet discussion. I don't want to criticise or bitch about you, so please do not do the same to me. You know nothing about who I am.

Croppy · 23/01/2002 16:40

Sara7, I suggest you re-read the going back to work "debate" - you will find within it such delights as the accusations that leaving a child in a nursery from 8 - 6 is "selfish and cruel". Do you have any idea how hurtful that is to mothers in this position???. SO please don't accuse RobinW of beign especially offensive!.

I am a long time Mumsnet poster but have given up of late as I really dislike the bullying, hectoring and personal remarks that are creeping in. Life's too short.

sara7 · 23/01/2002 16:54

croppy. i do agree with what your saying about the wms thread. But I think that what annoyed me the most was that robinw kept talking to everyone with a holier than thou attitude even after apologies had been made she kept on stirring it.
And it is hard to get quite so personal as to call us all bigots and bitches.
I just find it amazing that she hasn't apologised.
Its not so hard to do ,is it.
Unless of course she thinks she has nothing to apolgise for.

TigerMoth1 · 23/01/2002 17:38

Croppy, please don't go - I'll miss your informed and interesting viewpoints, even if I don't always agree with them.

sml · 23/01/2002 18:23

Hello Croppy, it is nice to see that you are still around!

I found the working mums row quite enlightening actually, it certainly showed up a lot of deep resentments and prejudices. I shared some of the views voiced, and a few more extreme ones that weren't posted, too (I'm not saying my prejudices are justified!). I wonder if mothers in other countries feel as strongly about this as we do in the UK?

Actually, I think it is no bad thing to confront our fears occasionally, (without getting personal) and hear everyone else's. but on the subject of working mums, maybe the most constructive discussion would be centred round our own experiences as children and how it affected us, rather than the, sometimes rose-tinted, ideals we strive for for ours.

Callie, I don't know where you got the idea from that I don't argue!!...but like Croppy, I also don't like personal insults. Now, where's my halo....

Batters · 23/01/2002 18:56

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Marina · 23/01/2002 18:59

Yes, please don't go Croppy.

Eulalia · 23/01/2002 19:35

robinw - what do you mean by the 'country' exactly? This is a rather general term. The countryside is totally different throughout the whole UK. Smells are also everywhere, town or country. Which would you rather have - manure or old sick in doorways? As for shops, well it depends doesn't it - if you are deep in the countryside or very remote (like in the West Coast of Scotland for example) the nearest supermarket could be 60 miles away. However most places in the country nowadays have some sort of decent shop within a reasonable distance. Who cares about shops anyway? I HATE shopping! Rather a generalisation about the people too.

I live in the country and like it. We have a lot more space and a bigger house than we would in the town. The nearest biggish town is only 6 miles away and the city is 25 miles away. There are also plenty of little villages 2/3 miles away around us. I really feel like I've got the best of all worlds as I can enjoy my space and quiet at home, pop into town to visit people and then go to the city for appointments and the dreaded shopping once a week.

There's not really enough information here for a proper discussion anyway.

Rachy · 23/01/2002 20:47

Personally I think that the countryside is a very healing place, if you'll let it in. Lots of people - town/country need that sort of peace in their lives.

LisaV · 23/01/2002 21:45

I will just say this and then I will go away! I did not think that the wm's thread was bullying or personal at all. I have just re-read the entire thread (which took some doing!) and there were only a few people whose comments could have been construed as offensive: Callie, Enid and Pamina who were mainly arguing amongst themselves, and ASF who made some sweeping comments. ASF has since disappeared without trace and Enid, Callie and Pamina have apologised to each other and everyone else.

Other people simply posted their experiences and opinions without being personal. RobinW kept coming in to tell us all how vile the discussion was getting, she made a few comments about Sara7 and Enid and then set up this thread after everyone else had apologised and the thread had gotten back to being general.

So those are the facts, check them if you like. Maybe next time we have such a frank discussion we should all pussyfoot around each other and put out disclaimers after each posting. I've only been here on Mumsnet a few months, but some of you "old-timers" will remember lots of heated discussions I'm sure, and all turned out well in the end. In fact I think we respect each other more once our views are aired and we've all had a good rant. So what is the problem? The original thread has finished, everyone is friends again, and yet still people are getting offended and want to leave Mumsnet!!!!

Right I'll not say another word now, I'll put this behind me as other people should be doing by now. BTW, did anyone see that piece in The Express on Tuesday about dentists? Did anyone notice the rather fetching photo of the lovely looking mum and her baby? They should be models they should! I wonder who they were?!

Tigger2 · 24/01/2002 16:23

Eulalia, what is wrong with the West Coast of Scotland, Ha ha ha ha!!. Just joking, I have been reading some of the postings recently on here and have avoided some of them like the plague!!. Some of the discussions have got very very intense, and I do think that robinw was not personally having a GO at me or those who live in the countryside. Think that she was probably having a crap time, cos I haven't found Robinw to be like this is in the past.
Anyway TTFN, ewes to look lambs to cuddle and husband and little honeys to feed as well at some point.

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