Following on from the Cameron/Christian thread, Lilibet needs advice

[lilibet]

Ok here goes, I am very much in love with my (non christian) DP, we don't live together but he stays at my house with myself and my children usually about 4 nights a week. We are all very happy and the children really like him, all going very well. He knows how much my faith means to me, and would never dream of doing anything to take me away from it, in fact he is now a regular at church with me and finds some of the services really interesting, some prompting some very interesting discussions as he wants to know more about the topics that have been talked about. On Saturday night at a party, after quite a bit of drink all round, our Vicars wife mentioned to me the possibility of him attending the new Alpha that is coming up, I know that he would hate this sort of thing as I have mentioned it to him in the past and as he has never wanted to do it, I have left it. Told her this and also told her that from Sepetember he is doing accountancy exams in his own time after work so he will have very little spare time anyway, but I did point out to her that I was talking to him about Jesus and evangalising as best I could without becoming overbearing.
She then pointed out to me that as long as I was having sex with him, he would never make a commitment, as by going against all Christian teachings and 'fornicating' I was not doing Jesus any honour, and I was showing DP that I had no respect for my religion by picking and choosing which bits of the bible I was deciding to follow. Then came the worst bit, She was only asking me to do a little thing by stopping sleeping with him (how she knows that I am sleeping with him is another very long story!) its not like she was asking me to have nails driven into my hands. By this point I was in tears, DP came over, She started saying about the Alpha to him, he was a bit puzzled as to why I was crying and it developed into a stand up row between her and DP. I went to get the Vicar who is a wonderful gentle spirit led man, and asked him to intervene. He was a quiet calming influence, saying very little, his wife got upset and dp and I left. Following morning, it wsa very hard going to church and of course DP felt that he had to come with me, but all went well, we shared the peace with her and she hugged us both. I do know that she only has my and DP's best interests at heart and was doing what she thought was right but I was so upset and DP was absolutley furious. I didn't jump into bed with him immediatley, we were both certain that we loved one another before we had sex and he told them on Saturday that this is going to be a relationship that will last all our lives and how much he loves me, which did make me very proud of him. I know that she thinks that relationships where one person is born again adn one isn't are doomed to failure but I know that this will not be the case with us as he is so understanding and interested in my faith, but I admit that I have seen realtionships break up becasue of it.
So? Sorry If I have rambled, but would appreciate opinions. Thanks

mamajinks I was being a bit flippant with that comment. Tinker had said that human beings were made in the image of God and that because there are homosexuals in existence, it must therefore be an aspect of God's character. I was simply saying that this is not the case, and perhaps the way it was said bothered you. Human beings are capable of being anything - they can be prostitutes, sex addicts, dictators, murderers, thiefs, drug dealers, etc etc etc, and yet we wouldn't say these traits were part of God's character would we? The bible says that in the beginning we were made in the image of God, but that doesn't mean our human nature AS IT IS NOW represents the character of God. People are capable of doing good and of doing evil, as we all know.

CAM, I attend a very large church and have been a christian for about 20 years. Our pastor speaks at a number of churches worldwide, and a number of my friends & relatives are also christians. So I know with certainty that there are many people out there who do not agree with the ordination of gay men into the church - if you know people who support this, then that is fine, but I was simply letting you know that it is not just a 'tiny few' who are against it. It doesn't make us closed minded, judgmental, mean or anything else - just simply trying to abide by the word of God, which is the whole purpose of the church in the first place! Contrary to what you might think, if a gay person wished to know more about God or wanted to attend our church I would welcome him/her with open arms, because they have the same right to be interested in God as everyone else. They are not a lesser person!! But as I said before, I don't think people can say they are a Christian and then continue to live a lifestyle that is completely contrary to what the bible (particularly the New Testament) says. What is the point??

Anyway I have to leave it there but it seems that this is a really contentious issue. No offence intended to anyone.

That should be thieves

er, not guilty! Didn't make that comment nc.

Tinker sincere apologies - it was Tissy.

I knew it started with T

Tinker, yes the King David thing is amusing (I think lisalisa first brought him up!), but I was using that ( and the idea that some of the OT characters lived to hundreds of years old) as an example of how difficult I find it to read the OT (or any part of the bible, TBH)as FACT. It is completely incomprehensible to me. Some "facts", such as the great flood could have happened, so are relatively easy to take as a historical account. My point is, I think that I cannot subscribe to " it says so in the bible, so it must be true".

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