Anyone else fed up with some of the blatant anti-muslim hatred on mumsnet?

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I don't know if i should even bother trying to address it anymore.
Anyone else fed up?

I would highly dispute that. Gulf states are notorious for being under strict control and having poor records on human rights.

Not all Muslim counties are like that. Try visiting somewhere like Sudan or Malaysia, as examples. I pick those two because I have more knowledge of them, but there are more examples.

I agree that the situation in those countries is v severe. Nobody should be discriminated against though- misogyny here is nowhere near as bad as in those countries, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't address it when it occurs.
Muslim countries shouldn't be all lumped together as a monolith though.. Jordan, is quite tolerant of other religions, isn't it? Wasn't Syria (until the current conflict, of course..) Dubai too, though ofc that has other serious issues..
Tunisia is theoretically tolerant, but still officially Islamic & stipulates a Muslim president, & there's societal persecution of Christians.

Why have you decided to come on this thread titled "Anyone else fed up with some of the blatant anti-muslim hatred on mumsnet" to, basically express your dislike of Islam?
According to you, the Muslim community shouldn't complain about the treatment they receive in this country because of how non Muslism are treated in an Islamist country? Really?
You also appear to conflate being an Islamist and being a Muslim.
In addition I don't understand why you chose to live in an Islamist country, knowing the way they interpretated Islam. I would never live in a country, in complete opposition with my beliefs, not for love or money.

I didn't 'express my dislike.' I stated a few facts about the realities of being a non-Muslim in a country that is run on strict Islamic principles. I was answering a question about whether someone announcing they were atheist would be tolerated in a country like that. At no point did I comment on whether I either liked or disliked the country, the culture or the religion. But since you ask, I liked my time there a lot actually. I didn't agree with everything but I had a grudging respect for a place which sets its own rules according to its own values and you can either accept it or fuck off.

Hmmm.. it sounds very oppressive.

Any theocracy is dangerous imo- & I say that as a Christian. If religion is forced to that extent people are primed to conform, & this is easy to exploit for bad ends.

Charming.
As Brewerton said, w"e should never lower our dignity by lowering our language."

Today’s prize for most inappropriate comment on the blatant islamophobia thread goes to @TwigletsAndRadishes . Followed up by her (?) enjoyment of time in wherever while reminding us we should be grateful.

It's nice to see people care enough about Muslim posters' experiences of online Islamophobia that they make the extra effort to find threads to tell us they don't care about our experiences of online Islamophobia.

People pick and choose what they want to spread their intolerance.

I'm not an expert on Islam, but I believe somewhere in the Quran it says 'no compulsion in religion' i.e. don't force people's beliefs.

Any country ran on 'strict Islamic principles' would be tolerant and peaceful.

The argument put forward is basically 'bad countries are bad'.

Seem to remember on a previous thread about the same topic - or maybe earlier in this thread - that when there was a previous outbreak of similar posts that you offered to start a new thread to take the 'discussion' elsewhere - not that there was much uptake of your new thread so guess that's instructive

Why are you derailing the thread. This thread is about Muslims who rightfully feel anti Muslim sentiments. What are you contributing to this thread? Stop posting off topic.

Absolutely disgusting of you would post in an area where Muslim people are taking about how targeted they are feeling.

Indeed, we're all very well aware of the issues people have with Islam because they never stop talking about! Despite many bizarrely claiming that they are silenced.

This was a space for Muslims to discuss the anti-Muslim hate they've experienced. We don't need yet more examples of what happens in certain middle Eastern countries. We know.

What I find ironic is that so many posters claim their issue with Islam is the way women are treated and that they think women don't have a voice. Yet whenever Muslim women try to post about their experiences, they're immediately shouted down and their views are dismissed by people who think they know more about Islam than they do.

Last night or maybe this morning there was a post about a christmas party being a method to show staff appreciation but effectively not being inclusive (alcohol flowing) and how to make it inclusive (naturally didn’t ask here), but the first comment was “it’s the UK not Afghanistan”!! Seriously no need for it!

Yeah, I read that thread and thought to myself that within the OP's posts, there wasn't any actual evidence that anyone had disagreed with the party due it being Christmas, it felt like more assumptions being made than anything else!

Exactly!!

Christian here just respectfully visiting your board here, and the reason why is this: only very recently were we given a Christian Mumsnetters’ board, and oh, how naive was I!? In my head it would be a ‘safe space” for us to meet as church, away from the other many boards here where people can argue the toss to their hearts content … and we can see from the other boards just how much some keyboard warriors love to do what they do best, spewing their what is in their hearts against anyone or anything, just because they can.

Whilst I am happy to debate on the philosophy and religion board, I would NEVER come onto your board to, all intents and purposes, shout ‘it is all a load of rubbish’ . It is rude, disruptive and disrespectful to even think about doing so. Our ‘church meetings’ have faced an onslaught of such attacks against Christian Mumsnetters. It has saddened me greatly to see from this thread my Muslim friends have/do experience(d) the same sort of activity on this board, which should be your safe space. What adds to the sadness is to read on this thread that our Black Mumsnetters friend also experience unwelcome intrusion on what should be their ‘safe’ space too.

Apologies for intruding, but it has been a learning opportunity to see that the Christian board is not alone in our recent sad and frustrating experience. I think MNHQ should do more to help stop it, but may be the interest to do so is not there. 😟

it is still early into 2025 and so I wish all on here a peaceful new year, as I take my leave. I may enjoy discussing things re religion and philosophy with some of you in another, more appropriate space 💐

@Thegreatestoftheseislove thank you for your kind words. I was happy to see your board set up as a space for you, and I'm so sorry you're encountering the same negativity.

*Thegreatestoftheseislove *

Well said. People just cannot help putting their tuppence worth into situations that they have NEVER experienced, let alone fully understand, and then have the gall to argue the toss with someone who has lived that very experience! It's truly baffling and reeks of undeserved entitlement.

Always pleasant to be reminded that anti-Muslim terms and terms which are openly offensive to Muslims aren't in breach of Talk Guidelines.

I'm an equal opportunity offender at worst, really. As an atheist, the most persecuted (non) religious group in recorded history, I do beg that you'd understand.

But isn't any kind of theocracy openly oppressive / deadly to women, homosexual people, people who are not of the originating (white) ethnic group of greater concern?

How would you feel under a christianite theocracy? Granted, you're white and belong to the majority ethnic group. You would still be persecuted though.

There's a Philosophy/Religion board and AIBU where people can go if they want to be reminded that the site and most users don't have empathy or respect for Muslims. This board was meant to be a safe space.

And that's fine.

But you must understand that when someone says / proposes something which is completely anti-democratic, hateful and intolerant as a theocracy, some users might find it hateful, bereft of freedom of religion, deadly to homosexuals, atheists and those of believe in the "wrong" religion, misogynistic and racist.

Should hatred - which could turn easily even against a British convert to Islam - go unchallenged?

I notice you haven't said anything against the suggestion of a theocratic state. Or the necessary misogyny, homophobia, racism, death and destruction that would accompany it.

Do you support that idea?

"Should hatred - which could turn easily even against a British convert to Islam - go unchallenged?"

While I'm flattered that you've been reading enough of my posts to work out I'm a revert, it looks like you missed the bits where my family and I regularly experience Islamophobic hate, including physical violence, sexual harassment and death threats. Hatred regularly goes unchallenged, both online and in real life.

I appreciate you have strong feelings about Islam, but this board is meant to be a safe space for Muslim posters. Just as the other faith-based boards are meant to be safe spaces for posters of those faiths.