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Swifties, who would like to join me in the countdown to Life of a Showgirl?

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Everlore · 12/08/2025 14:31

I woke up this morning to a slew of messages from excited Swiftie friends telling me about the new album, I hadn't dared to hope it would be here so soon and now I am ridiculously excited and have my vinyl copy pre-ordered already!
My husband, also a Swiftie, had warned me not to get my hopes up ahead of the release of TTPD last year as he couldn't see how it could possibly live up to her previous albums, fortunately he was completely wrong and I consider it to be among her finest work, one of the best albums I've ever heard! I therefore have no reservations about getting excited about the new album. It will also be the first album since our baby was born, though I THINK she's more of a folklore and evermore girl so she may not be quite as enthused by the possibility of more Max Martin and Shellback collaborations as we are.
Even though we won't be getting Reputation TV now, I hope the vault tracks still see the light of day, when you consider the quality of the 1989 vault tracks just imagine what the Reputations ones must be like! I have high hopes that this new album might have been inspired from work that had already begun on Reputation TV.
Anyway, just wanted to come on here and share my excitement with other Swifties. What are you hoping or expecting from TS12?

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Thissickbeat · 10/10/2025 09:39

I have a mixture of Fate of Ophelia and Life of a Showgirl as constant earworms now.
I especially like the middle bit of TLOAS that breaks into a Disney-esque sound, "I tool her pearls of wisdom.....". (I realise this make me sound about six 😳).

SoScarletItWas · 10/10/2025 10:14

I’ve added Ophelia, Opalite and Father Figure to one of my TS playlists.

Actually Romantic nearly made it to reflect the fact that ‘Stop talking dirty to me’ has become a response to all sorts of things in my house 🤣

’I’ve switched your electric blanket on’
’There’s leftover chilli in the fridge’
’The cat’s been sick again’

Surprisingly versatile.

tabulahrasa · 10/10/2025 17:56

I have more detail if anyone is interested 😂

But mostly now that I’ve listened to it enough to judge it a bit - it’s got some good songs, it’s a good album… but… there’s a few songs that I think are not well executed and I know she’s capable of doing better, and with it being such a short album I don’t think it had room for not great songs.

But I’m judging it against her work as being not great - it’s still a good album overall, just not her best.

Merch is out if anyone buys it

Thissickbeat · 10/10/2025 18:57

"Wood" really winds me up. It could have been really sassy, but it ends up being a bit crude.
I skip "Father Figure" too.

tabulahrasa · 10/10/2025 19:05

Thissickbeat · 10/10/2025 18:57

"Wood" really winds me up. It could have been really sassy, but it ends up being a bit crude.
I skip "Father Figure" too.

I like wood 😂

Took me a minute - because my first reaction was, OMFG! But then I kind of went, well I listen to Sabrina carpenter and don’t do that…so….

Tune is good, I like the make your own luck thing, jokes are funny 🤷‍♀️

If you stream - there’s clean versions and it is swapped out lyrics not just blanks with words missing

SummaLuvin · 10/10/2025 20:13

@tabulahrasa sort of how I feel too. I don't hate the album, but it doesn't hit the way I expected and it ranks in the lower half of her discography for me. I'm mostly disappointed on the lyrics being weaker than usual, and that it doesn't really meet the concept of 'life of a showgirl'. I find the bridge and second verse of Wood pretty cringey but the chorus scratches my brain just right!!!!

casualcrispenjoyer · 10/10/2025 20:53

I have given it a really good listen

this has probably already been said:

i really like TLOAS and there are some good tracks, but as a concept it’s just a right muddle. Just doesn’t feel coherent.

there is nothing ‘showgirl’ about it apart from the tinkly ‘couldn’t if I trieeeeeed’. It’s mad when the visuals have been so strongly linked to the sound before.

someone in the guardian reviews said she should have done a hamlet concept album or gone all in on the razzle dazzle

doesn’t feel like an ‘era’. It feels dated

the track list could be songs on red/lover/reputation

tabulahrasa · 10/10/2025 21:04

SummaLuvin · 10/10/2025 20:13

@tabulahrasa sort of how I feel too. I don't hate the album, but it doesn't hit the way I expected and it ranks in the lower half of her discography for me. I'm mostly disappointed on the lyrics being weaker than usual, and that it doesn't really meet the concept of 'life of a showgirl'. I find the bridge and second verse of Wood pretty cringey but the chorus scratches my brain just right!!!!

This might be a bit long 😂 I’ll preface it by saying I am chronically online just now, I have a mobility issue and lots of spare time, so I see so much stuff online I might not otherwise and have way too much time to think

Wood, I’m good with, it’s fun, it’s funny - it’s not trying to saying anything hugely meaningful and thats fine, not all songs have to.

and I very much enjoy that in every sudden hamlet expert’s take on why fate of Ophelia is bad* there’s comments saying, Shakespeare would love wood… cause he would 😂

  • I don’t think it is bad btw, that I like it , she wasn’t trying to dissect the character, she was just using it as a metaphor for how she felt in a catchy pop song, that’s a good song.

My issue is with some of the deeper ones…

wish list is getting flack for being a racist dog whistle and tradwife propaganda and it’s absolutely not either of those, but it’s a song that I thought didn’t hit the mark and so I’ve had to (well no, found myself) analysing it more than I would have normally because I’d have just gone, meh and ignored it.

I don’t think it’s just ooh now I don’t want any of that stuff, I just want you, I think it’s a similar theme to Elizabeth Taylor and “they” is also Taylor and she wants it all, because the lists are all very much things she wants or has but with bits swapped out like dogs for cats etc. but it just doesn’t quite work as a song and because I’m thinking about it more than usual

I think it’s just badly written, she’s relying way too much on the listener being really familiar with her and her work, you need to know her emotionally vulnerable track is track 5… others might be, but mostly not, you need to know she’s often writing satirically, you need to know she has 3 cats she often calls her children, you need to know how often she’s on or mentions yachts 😂 you need to know she absolutely does want her work to win awards, you need to know she does have a history of writing songs where she’s the other person… and you need to know there’s a running joke about kylie kelce’s kids not looking like her to get that joke.

But none of that is there inside the song, it’s all telling not showing.

And there’s a couple of others that rely on that level of outside the song knowlege and they’re the ones I’m not so keen on. I think her writing can be (and usually is) much stronger than that.

But - I’m also thinking… is that a bit harsh? Is the issue my expectations and her not realising how big her audience is? Were they supposed to be deep cuts for huge fans but she’s THE Taylor Swift and everyone’s expecting 12 singles 🤷‍♀️

I enjoy about half the album a lot, there’s a few I’m a bit meh about and like 3 I think aren’t as good as they should be - so it’s not a bad album at all, just not her best.

tabulahrasa · 10/10/2025 21:23

casualcrispenjoyer · 10/10/2025 20:53

I have given it a really good listen

this has probably already been said:

i really like TLOAS and there are some good tracks, but as a concept it’s just a right muddle. Just doesn’t feel coherent.

there is nothing ‘showgirl’ about it apart from the tinkly ‘couldn’t if I trieeeeeed’. It’s mad when the visuals have been so strongly linked to the sound before.

someone in the guardian reviews said she should have done a hamlet concept album or gone all in on the razzle dazzle

doesn’t feel like an ‘era’. It feels dated

the track list could be songs on red/lover/reputation

Edited

It was supposed to be the life of a showgirl not the show of a showgirl is how I’ve seen it put, so I’m ok with it not being showgirl - if that makes sense?

It’s a bit of this is how industry and society are treating “showgirls” a bit of this is my life off stage falling in love while on tour and some just I’m happy now and want to sing about it… but yeah, I don’t know that that pulls together enough on a 12 track album.

I don’t mind the sound feeling dated tbh, there’s loads of callbacks to other musicians and eras of pop music and I think they were just having fun playing with that - but again, is there room in 41 minutes to do that alongside all the other stuff?

Everlore · 11/10/2025 18:40

I have now been in my Showgirl era for over a week, have listened to the whole album many, many times and have had countless deep conversations with my equally Swift-obsessed husband and Swiftie friends in which we have disected every single track and analysed it in minute detail. Having pretty much thought about little else for the last week, I wanted to give my thoughts a week on from my initial reaction.
I love this album. Is it my favourite? No, though it can take time for a new album to really settle into a groove and take it's rightful place in the pantheon of TS albums. I am also aware that shiny new songs can sometimes be a little dazzling at first but lose their lustre a little as you get used to them, so my opinion of the album could change for better or worse. I love every single one of TS' albums so even if it were to end up near the bottom of the rankings, that's no source of shame with a body of work like hers.
I don't mind that there isn't necessarily an over-arching theme to the album. Lover is one of my favourites and similarly lacked a coherent theme or sound, my husband describes its production as maximalist which makes sense. Not that I am saying that TLOAS is in the same league as Lover.
I am also not really sure that there is no real cohesion between the tracks on TLOAS. It is very much a love album, an album about her both being in love and, for the first time, actually on the verge of marriage and maybe kids, things she's been covertly hinting she's wanted in her songs for years. It therefore seems understandable to me that she'd be a bit giddy about entering this new stage of her life and would want to celebrate it and this might result in some soppy or unusually saucy songs on the subject. I know a lot of people who don't really know TS' work think of her as someone who predominantly writes bitter break-up songs but this is a very unfair statement. Some of her most beautiful and moving songs have been written about falling in or being in love. Reputation, for example, when all said and done, is mainly a gorgeous love letter to Joe, recounting the hesitant exciting beginning of their love affair. Lover similarly contains some of her most tender songs, listening to Cornelia Street, knowing how their relationship ended, is particularly heart-breaking.
I think it is also worth assessing TLOAS in relationship to TTPD. Thematically and sonically the two albums are very different. TTPD is an extraordinary piece of work and, in my opinion, is one of the finest things Taylor has ever done, in all its sprawling 31 song glory. However it is, by and large, a very sad album, an album about heartbreak, betrayal and shattered dreams. TLOAS sees her seemingly in a far more positive, loved-up space. Is the final result as good as TTPD? Absolutely not. Do I want TS to remain miserable so she can write more songs like TTPD? Also no. She has moved on and I am delighted to move on with her, especially into what seems like an exciting new era for her personally!
My favourite songs on the album remain unchanged, The Fate of Ophelia, Elizabeth Taylor, Father Figure, Ruin the Friendship, Cancelled Actually Romantic and Wi$hli$t are all utterly amazing. I love The Fate of Ophelia and this English literature graduate, who has studied Shakespeare extensively, is loving seeing Ophelia's story being re-written to have a happy ending in a pop song, to complain about that seems extraordinarily cheap and pedantic!
Elizabeth Taylor is just wonderful, the lyrics, the vocals, the production, just perfect.
I love Father Figure. As a huge fan of folklore and evermore I adore her character songs and this is a great one!
I love Actually Romantic, I know some people have a problem with diss tracks but I think this one is bratty and cheeky rather than personal or vindictive, it is also funny, which I am not sure I could say about the song to which it is apparently a response, Sympathy Is A Knife, which while a good song felt really quite mean-spirited.
Ruin the Friendship is just a really beautiful song about loss and regrets and both my husband and I agree it should have been track five.
I love Cancelled, both because it gives big Reputation vibes, always a good thing, and because I love the lyrics, it's a nice show of solidarity to her friends who have endured trial by media, I know it's strongly rumoured to be about Blake Lively and I'm sure she'll appreciate it if so!
I really don't get the criticism of Wi$hli$t, I just think it's a really sweet, blissed out love song. She's not criticising people for wanting those things, most of them are things she wants or has wanted for herself. It's just an admission that people's priorities change. I don't get the absurd 'tradwife' accusations. I don't see how wanting marriage and kids makes you a bad feminist. I know not everyone wants those things but I find being a wife and mum awesome, still consider myself a feminist though! Do these people really want TS perpetually heartbroken? Is she not allowed to want really quite commonplace things for herself?
Addressing the Wood controversy, honestly, the pearl-clutching seems a bit unnecessary. She is a thirty-five year old woman. Do people want her to pretend that she has no sex life? There is a clean version of the song if people are that bothered. It's a fun, catchy, silly and raunchy song. It's also a very cheery song and clearly a Sabrina Carpenter pastiche. Anyone horrified by Wood will want to avoid Sabrina like the plague! I thought Wood would be my husband's least favourite on the album as Guilty As Sin from TTPD gave him the ick. I think Guilty As Sin is vastly superior to Wood but my husband was disturbed by a song whose lyrics apparently alluded to fantasising about Matty Healy, who my husband finds pretty repellant. He's cool with Travis so fine with Wood, I had wrongly attributed his discomfort with Guilty As Sin as having a problem with Taylor singing honestly about sex, which would have been out of character for him, but it turns out he just didn't like the mental images of Matty Healy it conjured up!
Do I have a least favourite track on the album? Maybe Eldest Daughter which I find pretty but uninspiring and the title track. I want to love it, it has some great lyrics and I love Sabrina so was excited about the collaboration, but it just isn't quite the show and album stopper I'd envisaged.
I love Opalite too, very catchy, though it's my husband's least favourite on the album, largely because he says it has a slight whiff of Abba about it, which he is decidedly not in favour of!
Finally, I also think Honey is a really cute song, another sappy love song but it hits right for me!
Right, I feel better for having typed that out, sorry for the epic post!

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Everlore · 12/10/2025 02:30

Just got back from a Life of A Showgirl release party, first time going out dancing since our baby was born and she's nine months now! Had a great time of course, all Taylor all night including all songs from the new album which sounded great in a club and are mostly great to dance to, not that that's really a prerequisite at a TS night as everyone is as happy singing and swaying along to slow songs as dancing to bangers!
It reminded me that I do love the bridge of TLOAS title track, it delivered the kind of camp and high drama I was hoping for from that song, I wish the rest of the song was more like that.
The DJ played The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived then said "and from the smallest man who ever lived to the biggest man who ever lived", before playing Wood, which I thought was funny, if a bit cheesy!
I was also listening to House Tour by Sabrina Carpenter tonight, an amazing song from her great new album Man's Best Friend, but one which makes Wood look like the height of subtlety and restraint, I'm not sure the lyrics would even qualify as single entendre, still adore every naughty second of it though! If anyone can spare a second from TS at the moment, which I realise is a big ask, I'd highly recommend the new Sabrina Carpenter album. SC isn't in TS' league, obviously, but I don't think anyone is, she's a one-off.

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tabulahrasa · 12/10/2025 09:23

@Everlore

im laughing quite a lot at you apologising the the length of post when I did one about that length mostly about one song 🙈😂 also, house tour isn’t rude, she’s just showing you her house, it’s not even a metaphor 😐 sorry couldn’t resist the set up for the joke 😂

Speaking of…

you may have all noticed this before me, but it’s amused me quite a lot so…

Someone was complaining about the line in the title track - then they said she didn’t do it legitly, because it’s not a real word… and I suddenly thought, oh FFS that’s the joke isn’t it? 🤦‍♀️😂

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 12/10/2025 12:01

Opalite doesn’t leave my head. Proper earworm
Getting a bit annoying now

ShesTheAlbatross · 12/10/2025 16:53

She’s making an announcement on good morning America tomorrow. Maybe a behind the scenes Eras Tour film - there was filming happening at her last show in Vancouver? Documentary on getting her masters back? Debut vault tracks? She’s already said nothing will happen with Reputation anytime soon so I assume it’s not those vault tracks.

Thissickbeat · 12/10/2025 17:45

I'm changing my tune on 'Wood' since I realised I'm happily singing Sabrina around the house. So I'll cut Taylor some slack on her lyrics.

Still can't quite believe she recorded two albums in 2 yrs while touring for 18 months.

SummaLuvin · 12/10/2025 17:56

I'm confident it won't be Debut, pretty sure we will get that next year to coincide with the 20th anniversary. My money is on an Eras Tour documentary that also might touch on the purchase of the masters, and may include the TTPD set. If that is the case then I think it is a response to the negativity around the album. I would have put money on her leaving the Eras thing alone for now so as not to detract from Showgirl. I had guessed it would either be released at Thanksgiving or on her birthday, so some way away. But not even two weeks into promoting her new album where she felt they "were catching lighting in a bottle" and "the album I've wanted to make for a really long time" she's putting the spotlight back on the tour almost feels like "guys....remember when you all liked me?!?!"

ShesTheAlbatross · 12/10/2025 18:14

The last two GMA announcements were the Eras tour book, and the Eras tour itself. And tomorrow is the two year anniversary of the eras tour film going into cinemas. So yes, something Eras related would fit.

Thissickbeat · 12/10/2025 18:57

My money is on an Era's documentary to be released on Friday 12th December.

tabulahrasa · 12/10/2025 19:25

I know it’s not a tour, but I want it to be one 😂

ShesTheAlbatross · 12/10/2025 20:23

SummaLuvin · 12/10/2025 17:56

I'm confident it won't be Debut, pretty sure we will get that next year to coincide with the 20th anniversary. My money is on an Eras Tour documentary that also might touch on the purchase of the masters, and may include the TTPD set. If that is the case then I think it is a response to the negativity around the album. I would have put money on her leaving the Eras thing alone for now so as not to detract from Showgirl. I had guessed it would either be released at Thanksgiving or on her birthday, so some way away. But not even two weeks into promoting her new album where she felt they "were catching lighting in a bottle" and "the album I've wanted to make for a really long time" she's putting the spotlight back on the tour almost feels like "guys....remember when you all liked me?!?!"

I take your point about anything Eras related taking attention away from Showgirl but at the same time, she talked Showgirl being a “peak behind the curtain”. So a documentary type thing would slot in to that.

wherewillwegoto · 12/10/2025 20:56

I hadn’t seen about the announcement! Very excited.

I’m loving the new album, Cancelled! is my favourite track followed by Opalite.

Everlore · 13/10/2025 12:04

I'm relieved that Taylor didn't have to re-record Reputation. Everything about it is perfect, the songs, the production, everything, I think she was worried about re-creating that masterpiece and re-capturing that magic so I am glad she now has the original master and the album can remain as it was intended. I do hope we get the vault tracks eventually. Given how incredible the 1989 vault tracks were, just imagine what the Reputation ones might sound like!
I think it is also worth remembering that reviews of Reputation were quite mixed when it was released, critics were unsure about the new, harder sound and didn't quite know what to make of it. I feel like it has since undergone a critical re-appraisal and is now considered amongst her finest albums.
Apparently debut TV, including vault tracks, has been recorded so I still think we'll get that. I'd love an officially released version of I'd Lie in particular! Be interesting to see if she rehas re-recorded the two original Christmas songs from the Sounds of the Season EP.

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ShesTheAlbatross · 13/10/2025 12:10

Everlore · 13/10/2025 12:04

I'm relieved that Taylor didn't have to re-record Reputation. Everything about it is perfect, the songs, the production, everything, I think she was worried about re-creating that masterpiece and re-capturing that magic so I am glad she now has the original master and the album can remain as it was intended. I do hope we get the vault tracks eventually. Given how incredible the 1989 vault tracks were, just imagine what the Reputation ones might sound like!
I think it is also worth remembering that reviews of Reputation were quite mixed when it was released, critics were unsure about the new, harder sound and didn't quite know what to make of it. I feel like it has since undergone a critical re-appraisal and is now considered amongst her finest albums.
Apparently debut TV, including vault tracks, has been recorded so I still think we'll get that. I'd love an officially released version of I'd Lie in particular! Be interesting to see if she rehas re-recorded the two original Christmas songs from the Sounds of the Season EP.

I love I’d Lie!

I think PP is right that maybe Debut will come next year on the 20th anniversary. Now she has the masters, releasing an old album will look more like a money grab. An anniversary edition is a bit more of a “thing”, and then the vault tracks add more value.

ShesTheAlbatross · 13/10/2025 13:23

Ooh it’s an updated Eras tour movie, with TTPD, plus a 6 part behind the scenes documentary.

Wirdle · 13/10/2025 14:09

ShesTheAlbatross · 13/10/2025 13:23

Ooh it’s an updated Eras tour movie, with TTPD, plus a 6 part behind the scenes documentary.

Thanks! I've never watched the Eras film as was avoiding spoilers before seeing it live, so would be great to watch it reflecting the show I saw. Better look at getting Disney+!

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