Anyone else feeling sick waiting to see what the PIP cuts will be?

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Wondering if I will still be able to pay for the numerous services and things my disabilities necessitate.
I think, given I have such severe issues, that I may be one of the “lucky” ones as from what I have read so far I would still have enough pip points plus I am older and have stage 4 cancer (separate to my other significant disability) but who knows.
Even if I escape the cull I am sad and scared for others who may lose their award.

Agreed. It is the 'claims' for pension credit that we should be concerned about (those who have not contributed).

I didn't say it was. I answered a specific point that was made - with several examples - of areas of substantially increased public spend. Becoming disabled is also not something people plan for, and there is an assumption in your point that people with disabilities have not paid NI / taxes, which a great many have and may continue to do.

@Secretmeetings Agreed. It is the 'claims' for pension credit that we should be concerned about (those who have not contributed).

I am not sure why the words claims is expressed as 'claims' - are you suggesting they aren't claims? If so, what are they? And you now appear to have gone from saying that people with disabilities should have "more pride" than to claim money they are entitled to to suggesting that poor elderly people are freeloaders. You seem to be under the impression that poor people should slope off and die quietly.

I seem to recall that you said you are disabled? Where does your income come from? You clearly have access to some technology and internet access. I assume you eat and have a place to sleep. How do you pay for all these things given that you are better than everyone else and wouldn't dream of being a burden?

@SecretmeetingsWhat is your agenda?
you say you’re disabled, but that is your responsibility to provide for your needs?
I can only assume your disability isn’t severe.
It is well documented that a disabled person spends at least 1k per month more than an able bodied person.
i have moderate CP.. moderate as I am ambulatory but only 20m before resting and risking a fall
i have many aids and adaptations to enable me to live a better standard of living. Some provided, others out of my pocket including a £150 rollator, taxis, prepared and pre cut food… and the controversial monthly haircut as I have only one functional arm.
just because you’re ok, doesn’t mean everyone is. I responded to a post of yours questioning haircut and my dog walker!
FYI My dog is 9, my ex partner left 8 years ago.

It started as one finger for me. A flare-up now takes out three out of four fingers on one hand, and that's before the other hand develops RSI from trying to do what the first hand cannot.

I do not know how many people saw the thread this morning from a disabled woman expressing suicidal ideation about the potential loss of her benefits - a lone parent with (I think) two children, both diagnosed autistic and the elder one also her carer. It was already so disturbing that MNHQ intervened with the "general mental health /suicide" signposting and a request to posters to bear in mind the impact that nasty comments may have and desist. In a lot less than two pages posters who have self-identified as disabled - severely disabled in some cases - had piled on literally telling her that she was a feckless parent and a waste of space to the point where you could clearly see her breakdown.

I know those posters are on this thread, and I genuinely hope that they are liars and not disabled. Because I would question the humanity of any able bodied person who said the things that they said to that women, but if they are genuinely people with disabilities, then I can only hope that karma has something special lined up for them.

@selffellatingouroborosofhate Yeah, I can already feel the next middle finger along seizing up. Sigh, just another bloody pain to add to the list.

@PhilippaGeorgiou I didn’t see it but that sounds awful. I don’t think you should be wishing further harm on other people with disabilities, though, however much you disagree with them or think they have been unkind. Hopefully MNHQ deleted their comments.

This bullshit again.

You do not have a State pension pot. The State pensions of people who are currently retired are paid by the taxes of those currently working. National Insurance is a tax and the requirement to have paid a certain number of years as "stamps" is a) to motivate people outwith PAYE (e.g. sole traders) to be honest and pay up and b) motivate the general populace to get jobs for at least some of their lives. The British State pension is a Ponzi scam and it's those currently working who get screwed so that retirees can enjoy the Triple Lock that they promised each other, a Triple Lock that the current workers who are funding it could not vote against because we were still at school.

I have no interest in discussing anything at all with you at any time but karma is not wishing harm on anyone - it is defined as "the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences". Please do not accuse me of things that I have not done.

I also saw that and reported two posts myself, which I don't do lightly.

I'm 'lucky' in that my disability is physical. I can't imagine having mental health issues and having to deal with the shit I've seen all over social media lately, as well as the panic of becoming desperately poor.

Yes it is a ponzi scheme - because not enough people are paying into it. Previous generations valued contributing to society. Hence only those who have contributed taxes qualify for state pension

Pension credit is an additional expense which could be successfully disbanded as long as advance warning is given.

No one wants to see cuts hence the division. But if the pot is running dry they have to happen.

I was referring to the pension comment. Basically there will be cuts across the board that will affect us all.

You may have missed it, but I did ask you several questions about where your income comes from and how you spend it, since you appear to be the only person who is not a burden on anyone. Could you answer them so we can all be assured that you are living by your own lights?

I didn't say I didn't have family or made adjustments to my living expenses. The relevant point is I am not claiming any benefits.

I think you have misinterpreted my point. Unless you are working / have a private income then you are living off somebody. You are not paying your own way and you are not contributing to the greater good of society. Not claiming any benefits if you are living off somebody elses work/income is not really something to be proud of, is it? Aren't you doing just the same thing, just cutting out the state "middleman"?

I am living off my own money which I earned. Not sure why I am being attacked. I have worked excessive hours and paid high taxes. Family provide emotional support.

We all have different views. For a more balanced view ask tax payer friends and relatives for their opinions.

I hope they do look at this. Some of the amounts that pensioners get in pension credits & disability benefits, all rent and CT paid etc. It's quite an eye opener and puts the working age benefits into perspective. many of the pensioners themselves are shocked when told how much they can claim.

A thread currently running on Mumsnet illustrates the direction the country is heading. Title below and a poignant comment.

Seriously thinking about leaving the UK - AIBU?

ThymeScent · Today 16:40
Am encouraging my own to DC to leave.
The country is a mess and with net migration massively rising and the ‘benefit’ culture rife, people who actually work for a living are being taken for mugs.

I saw that thread as well, that you refer to @PhilippaGeorgiou . I was staggered by some of the posts. I did not comment on that thread, but I noted that, it would seem that some posters do not stop to think for one second, about the impact that their words may have, on someone already on the floor. If anything this whole conversation has shown a really ugly side, that has really shown itself lately.

I am not attacking you. I asked a reasonable question based on your attacks on other peoples income. You have been very interested in where other people get their money and what they spend it on.

I don't know why I would need to "ask tax payer friends and relatives for their opinions" or why I need a "more balanced view" (which is definitely a judgemental statement if ever I heard one). You are assuming that I am not and never have been a taxpayer. I have paid taxes in work for 46 years, and still pay tax, and as a taxpayer I accept that a decent and humane society look after all their citizens - just because I don't have children shouldn't mean that I don't pay for the childcare and education of children, and nor should it mean that the same society shows no decency and humanity to those unable to work. Oh, and actually most of my friends and relatives are also taxpayers and I don't know a single one of them believes in cuts to benefits for people with disabilities. You made quite an assumption when you implied that I was another of these "feckless people" jumping on the benefits bandwagon along with all their friends and relatives. But lets just be clear that I have worked all my life, never depended on anyone or lived off anyone, and hold three postgraduate qualifications - I am not the sort of, oh I don't know but for example, scared disabled lone parent with disabled children who can be bullied into a breakdown by assumptions and nasty comments.

Well done on all your achievements.

I don't want government cuts and in an ideal world everyone is looked after and we all get on.

Unfortunately, back in the real world there will be cuts (not just disability related) and this is the start. These cuts will impact everyone either directly or indirectly.

Not sure why. Labour have gone right since Corbyn was replaced!

I have only just found this board and thought it would be a safe space.
On a thread in AIBU I said about a friend with MS who uses her PIP to get her hair washed at a salon. It is sad to see that being a contentious issue on here too. She also used her PIP to have a car on the Motability scheme. It enabled her to get to her workplace. I was told that she should use the train. There is ONE train station in our town. It would take her even further away from her workplace. Not everyone lives in London.
When she gets the train, she has to book assistance as she uses a mobility scooter. Buses are not a reliable way to get to work when you are in a wheelchair or on a scooter as you are competing with the pushchairs and there are only 2 spaces anyway.

@WeylandYutani Assistance on the train is also often very unreliable, and public transport can be so unsafe if you’re immunocompromised. There are all these aspects that currently healthy people (or people with other disabilities that don’t affect mobility or the immune system) often don’t remember to take into consideration.

If train assistance doesn’t turn up when booked, they are meant to refund the journey. But many people with cognitive disabilities would struggle to book and/or pursue the refund.

It was upsetting how many people were saying my friend should not have a "free car" because buses exist and all that.
People just don't realise how hard it can be when your legs don't work. The world is very tough to navigate.

Ah yes buses. The place where two selfish parents and their offspring nearly knocked me flying because they couldnt wait five fucking seconds for me to get off the bus when i was sat nearer the front before rushing from the back with their equally rude kids and scooters, treading over bags that i had in my hand they were in such a rush
Someone with mobility problems would have stood no chance