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Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC

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RachelMumsnet · 22/08/2018 21:47

We’re running a facebook live with NSPCC about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse. The NSPCC have developed programme called Speak out. Stay safe delivered in primary schools across the UK. Volunteers visit schools where they run workshops and assemblies to teach children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns. The NSPCC are also running a campaign called PANTS that teaches parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate and non-scary way.

Lidl say: "'Last year Lidl UK employees voted to make the NSPCC their new national charity partner for a three year period. During this period, this partnership will aim to raise £3 million to keep 1 million primary school children safe through the NSPCC’s Speak out. Stay safe programme. This vital programme helps to empower a generation of children with the knowledge they need to stay safe. With at least 2 children in the average primary school class having suffered abuse or neglect, it’s vital that the NSPCC has the resources to visit primary schools across the UK to teach children that abuse is never OK."

Join the NSPCC live next week on Thursday 30 August at 12.30pm on Mumsnet Facebook or post up a question on this thread that we will put to the NSPCC during the live stream. We’ll link to the stream next week on this thread.

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LemonJello · 30/08/2018 12:40

Yes it should be on right now. There should also be a link to it posted here? (according to the OP)

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 30/08/2018 12:42

Hi @MNHQ has the chat been delayed?

GirlScout72 · 30/08/2018 12:43

Hi

I would like to ask what the NSPCC will be doing to ensure schools are following DfE guidance (reissued in June this year) regarding sex segregation in schools. This includes toilets, changing and sports www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-separation-in-mixed-schools

Many schools have unlawfully introduced unisex or "gender neutral" spaces contrary to the law. We are already seeing (this is happening in my own family) girls not drinking all day to avoid needing to pee, bunking off when they have their period or PE to avoid boys (including boys who say they are girls) harassing them, sexually assaulting them, filming under and over toilet doors, hustling them into cubicles and assaulting them (there is a rape a day in UK schools) and flashing them with their penises, mocking girls' bodies etc etc etc in unisex spaces as well as taking their places on sports teams.

"Gender neutral" in schools is unlawful. What will the NSPCC be doing about that?

My follow up question is when will the NSPCC (a quasi public body with statutory powers, unique among charities and in receipt of vast amounts of public money) be making public it's Equality Impact Assessments that you had an obligation to carry out before endorsing "gender identity" which is a) contrary to EA2010 and b) vastly discriminates against natal girls? Gender Identity in effect dissolves all our current safeguarding systems and process for children, particularly girls, and as the UK's leading child safeguarding organisation I'd very interested to see what careful assessments you did before you decided we could throw safeguarding in the bin. Obviously a prominent organisation like the NSPCC did not just merely take the word of trans lobby groups before making this historically unprecedented decision?

MrsToddsShortcut · 30/08/2018 12:46

Have looked everywhere for this MNHQ any idea where we can find this (or why we can't?)

In any case, here is my question:

Do you think it is possible for an organisation like Girl Guiding UK to adequately safeguard girls when they believe that boys who identify as girls are girls? Do you think that adequate safeguarding can take place if they are not allowed to acknowledge that biological boys and girls, many of whom will be adolescent, will be allowed to share sleeping accommodation? How does this differ from their policy of not allowing boys who don't identify as girls to share sleeping accommodation? Serious question: Truly, in safeguarding terms, what's the difference?

Thank you

tiredandweary · 30/08/2018 12:47

Can't see it on the Mumsnet facebook page?
Any update MNHQ ?

LemonJello · 30/08/2018 12:50

This was supposed to start 20 minutes ago now, any chance of an update @MNHQ? Thank you.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 30/08/2018 12:51

d also like to say that if there are any unforeseen circumstances that mean this doesn’t go ahead today, NSPCC might like to consider how else they could address these legitimate and pressing concerns from parents regarding the safeguarding of their children.

Wow. Psychic LemonJello?

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 30/08/2018 12:52

NSPCC have a cake that needs icing, obvs.

LemonJello · 30/08/2018 12:56

Perhaps Certain, but I’m sure NSPCC will reschedule if there’s been an issue today,

Happityhap · 30/08/2018 12:56

Yoo-hoo @MNHQ

Thanks for keeping us informed (not)

Ellabella1234 · 30/08/2018 13:05

So much for 'speak out, stay safe'

BeyondAnOmnishambles · 30/08/2018 13:06
Confused
Moanslice · 30/08/2018 13:06

Esther Rantzen has spoken publicly AGAINST unisex/gender neutral toilets in schools. Esther is a NSPCC trustee. How have NSPCC then decided in favour of ignoring sex segregation of accomodation and facilities?

stillathing · 30/08/2018 13:07

hi there @mnhq

really hope this is going ahead? also really hope you will be choosing some of the questions from here and not only from people who engage on your facebook page? since your data leak, you know better than most that anybody who has a pro-woman gender critical stance risks doxxing if they reveal their identity.

additionally, as well as (some of us) being mothers, many of us are (gasp) also professionals working in fields directly impacted by the changes in safeguarding mentioned in the questions on this thread. again, you know very well that women have lost their jobs over publicly expressing concerns such as these.

R0wantrees · 30/08/2018 13:08

Not sure if I'm too late...

I'm sure the NSPCC is aware of the safeguarding expertise and experience of Claude Knights who has recently stood down after 15 years leading Kidscape.

Claude Knights issued strongly worded warnings recently in repsonse to a convicted paedophile who had changed both gender identity and name whilst in prison being released with a new identity.

Claude Knights said: “Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”

Claude Knights said: “Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

My question is
Does the NSPCC agree with Claude Knight's warnings and what will they be doing to represent the serious potential risks to children when gender self-id is exploited to evade Safeguarding frameworks etc?

Source: article:www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 30/08/2018 13:09

I wonder if they just can't locate the chief viper-handler?

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 30/08/2018 13:10

Well, this really is awkward.

Ereshkigal · 30/08/2018 13:11

Perhaps their broadband is down.

LemonJello · 30/08/2018 13:14

Coming up on 45 minutes late with no explanation.

WomanLifeIsGoodish · 30/08/2018 13:17

Is this actually going ahead? I’d arranged my day to be able to be present at 12.30.

Bit rude to not even post an update MNHQ.

HermioneWeasley · 30/08/2018 13:18

Does the NSPCC recognise that trans women and girls retain male patterns and levels of behaviour, including crime and sexuality violent crime? If not, what evidence do you have that they do not? If you accept they do, what safeguarding issues arise from policies like girl guides?

EmpressOfSpartacus · 30/08/2018 13:19

Perhaps their broadband is down.

Yes, that's probably it. After all, they wouldn't be avoiding these important questions without good reason.

LemonJello · 30/08/2018 13:21

I refuse to believe that NSPCC are not prepared enough to answer questions like the ones posed.

They have had numerous letters detailing safeguarding concerns, so they are aware of the issues and have had plenty of time to come up with satisfactory responses that alleviate concerns.

So I’m sure it can’t be that.

Tunataka · 30/08/2018 13:22

I know that Zoe Parrott has personally spoken with the Girl Guiding Association regarding safeguarding concerns and their trans policy. I would be interested to hear specifically what they said which reassured the NSPCC that gender self identity mitigates risks of boys to girls? Generic 'existing risk assessments' statements do not explain how differences in anatomy and physiology are not relevant for a sub set of boys?

GirlScout72 · 30/08/2018 13:24

NSPCC paid for the services of Gendered Intelligence, perhaps they are on the phone with Jay as we speak mugging up on the answers?

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