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Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC

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RachelMumsnet · 22/08/2018 21:47

We’re running a facebook live with NSPCC about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse. The NSPCC have developed programme called Speak out. Stay safe delivered in primary schools across the UK. Volunteers visit schools where they run workshops and assemblies to teach children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns. The NSPCC are also running a campaign called PANTS that teaches parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate and non-scary way.

Lidl say: "'Last year Lidl UK employees voted to make the NSPCC their new national charity partner for a three year period. During this period, this partnership will aim to raise £3 million to keep 1 million primary school children safe through the NSPCC’s Speak out. Stay safe programme. This vital programme helps to empower a generation of children with the knowledge they need to stay safe. With at least 2 children in the average primary school class having suffered abuse or neglect, it’s vital that the NSPCC has the resources to visit primary schools across the UK to teach children that abuse is never OK."

Join the NSPCC live next week on Thursday 30 August at 12.30pm on Mumsnet Facebook or post up a question on this thread that we will put to the NSPCC during the live stream. We’ll link to the stream next week on this thread.

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R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 11:19

By way of context,
Sunday Telegraph article today:

from Sunday Telegraph today, article:
'My husband's a paedophile – but I still love him'
(Extract)
"The national picture is obviously murky, but by any available measure, this is one of Britain’s fastest-growing crimes. Government figures released late last year revealed a 700 per cent increase in the number of indecent images referred to law enforcement agencies since 2013.

Police now arrest an average of 400 people every month for viewing child abuse material. Most are men, but confound other stereotypes.

“We see men of all ages and backgrounds, family men and respectable professionals,” said West Yorkshire police assistant chief constable, Catherine Hankinson. The 149 adults they arrested last year included four company directors, two solicitors and four tech professionals." (continues)
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/husbands-paedophile-still-love/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 13:05

Lisa Muggeridge,
'Social work training: Ever present risk of predatory behaviour'

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 02/09/2018 14:34

Lisa - you can see why they campaigned so hard to get you off twitter!

Your videos should be used at the highest level. You always hit the mark.

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 14:51

See also Jessica Eaton & DrEm

Jessica Eaton's comment:

'every week social workers approach me about traumatised kids after abuse and trauma suddenly identifying as trans and SW being told to just affirm it rather than working through the trauma'
twitter.com/Jessicae13Eaton

Jessica Eaton's comments referenced by ThatDoctorEM along with her own work on thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324391-Paedophile-expert-warns-of-transitioning-as-a-ploy

Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC
Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC
Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC
loveyouradvice · 02/09/2018 14:53

This is SO IMPORTANT.... for those who are interested I've posted on AIBU as it is crucial that more people know what is going on... Do take a look and comment if appropriate....

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3353658-AIBU-to-be-shocked-that-the-NSPCC-cancelled-their-Facebook-Live-session-with-Mumsnetters-because-they-didnt-like-the-questions-That-they-cant-explain-why-they-arent-putting-children-in-danger

Skarossinkplungerridesagain · 02/09/2018 15:01

I'd love to ask the NSPCC why all their ads are about saving kids when all they do is refer to Children's Social Care when they get a call.

WrongKindOfFace · 02/09/2018 18:40

I'd love to ask the NSPCC why all their ads are about saving kids when all they do is refer to Children's Social Care when they get a call.

My social worker friend has been complaining about that for bloody years. All the money, all the glory, and they do just a minuscule amount of child protection work. And possibly not even that these days.

AlmaGeddon · 02/09/2018 21:07

They do visits to advise DCs in schools on dangers etc
Must say a lot of their income seems to go on salaries if they aren't actually doing the hands on work.
www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/annual-reports/annual_report_2016-17 see page 83.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 02/09/2018 23:10

They don't have to be dressed as a woman jess. They don't have to be trans. They just need to say, 'I am a woman' if questioned (no-one is going to question them - only bigots question people's gender identity)

This ideology seeks to dismantle sex segregation - which is there to protect women and girls. Who will take advantage of that? Predatory men. Can people really not see how that is just true?

And 'it has never happened'? A man was sentenced to 22 years in prison this month for raping and torturing a ten year old girl. He liked to wear a dress and nappies and called himself Lucy.

I don't want 'Lucy' anywhere near women and girls. But actually I don't want to get changed in front of even nice guys. My dad, your dad, your dh. I just don't. That's not weird either - most women don't. And that's okay.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 02/09/2018 23:10

Hah - wrong thread!

EmpressOfSpartacus · 03/09/2018 09:41

Helen Joyce, the Economist finance editor, is tweeting about this. twitter.com/hjjoyceecon/status/1036530318537367553?s=21

R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 10:18

(2014?) Mermaids and Action for Children joint portfolio of work, including project for schools, 'Where do the Mermaids Stand?':
www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/assets/media/Mermaid%20Brochure.pdf

www.actionforchildren.org.uk/what-we-do/children-young-people/identity-lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender/

AsAProfessionalFekko · 03/09/2018 10:42

Mermaids/Mermen don't have legs do they, so technically...

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 03/09/2018 10:44

Mermaids/Mermen don't have legs do they, so technically...

Grin
R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 11:18

With apolgies for the de-rail but I find the 'Where do the Mermaids Stand' essay by Robert Fulghum cited in the guide as curious. Its from a very popular 1980's book (apparently) 'Lessons I Learned in Kindergarton'

The premis is that a game is set up and children are asked to choose one of three options; wizard, dwarf or giant. One child rejects these & wants to be a mermaid / says they are a mermaid. They are exempt from the game, standing with him instead and the child's comments leads to his 'profound' musings.

However, a different reading of the situation is that this one child either doesn't understand the game or refuses to play by the rules. An adult may, instead of elevating the child to special status and celebrating their assertion, have explained the game again or modified the next round to instead have mermaids, dragons and minotaurs for example.
The other question is, what if more or all children had also chosen to be different mythical / fairy tale creatures than the three he chose? What would the kindergarton teacher then done as the game (which was set-up to engage & manage a large number of children) would have failed in its purpose?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_I_Really_Need_to_Know_I_Learned_in_Kindergarten

Is this essay the basis for naming the UK charity Mermaids? Hmm

Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC
AsAProfessionalFekko · 03/09/2018 11:31

I was an awkward little git, so would have definitely said polar bear or dinosaur. What does that say about me then?

I cant believe that only one child didn't choose one of the options given.

(held hand of a mermaid indeed. that man is deluded)

AsAProfessionalFekko · 03/09/2018 11:37

Speaking of charities... has anyone come across Equality Now?

R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 11:43

October 2016 Feminist Current article by Julian Vigo ( 'scholar, film-maker, and human rights consultant')
'When lobby groups like Mermaids dictate policy and discourse around gender identity, kids lose'

(extract)
"Last week, The Guardian reported that “a seven-year-old boy who was “living life entirely as a girl” has been removed from his mother’s care after a ruling by a high court judge. At first read, it was unclear who the actors in this case were aside from, obviously, the mother (M), the father (F), and child (J). The judgment of this case, which includes a critique of the section 37 report prepared by Social Services, which Justice Hayden describes as “very disturbing reading,” though, begins to clarify things.

Justice Hayden writes that J’s mother caused “significant emotional harm” to her child and critiques the local authority social services staff responsible for the youngster’s welfare.

He goes on to detail the acts of a controlling mother towards her child, M’s personal diagnosis of J’s alleged gender dysphoria, and a system which failed this child. Together, these various failures demonstrate a pattern of abuse and a mother who, Hayden writes, “deprived [her son] of his fundamental right to exercise his autonomy in its most basic way.”

What the judgment shows is that reports made by the Local Authority’s Housing Department, J’s school, the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC), and Social Services gave M’s behaviour towards her child (including her approach to J’s “gender presentation”) a pass simply because she was receiving support from Mermaids, a UK-based charity that claims to support parents of children who identify as transgender. Observations like these show major conflicts of interest between Mermaids and the government agencies named in the judgement." (continues)

www.feministcurrent.com/2016/10/26/lobby-groups-like-mermaids-dictate-policy-discourse-around-gender-identity-kids-lose/

R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 13:21

Significant background to escalation of online child protection concerns:
BBC article today:
'Sajid Javid threatens tech giants over online child sex abuse'
(extract)
"Referrals of child abuse images to the National Crime Agency (NCA) have surged by 700% in the last five years, according to new figures - and the NCA estimates that about 80,000 people in the UK present some kind of sexual threat to children online."
(continues)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45389937

ballseditupagain · 03/09/2018 17:10

My daughter is 10 and in primary school. She hasn't reached puberty yet. The school has turned the girls toilet into a unisex toilet but the boys toilet remains just that. My daughter no longer uses the toilet at school and holds in her urine until she gets home.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 03/09/2018 17:19

How can they justify having one single sex toilet (for the boys)? If a girl demanded access to the boys loo because 'I feel like an Eric today' I'm sure she would be told to bugger off.

tiredandweary · 03/09/2018 17:56

ballseditupagain That's awful.
The school are breaking the law - they must provide single sex toilets for all children over the age of 8.
Give them a copy of this and ask them when they will be complying with the law?

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719398/Gender-separation-guidance.pdf

It's the last point in the guidance.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/09/2018 20:45

This has hit the Telegraph...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/03/nspcc-mumsnet-row-defending-girl-guides-transgender-policy/

IAmLurkacus · 03/09/2018 20:48

Bit of a lazy article. I hope the times/mail do better. The public really need to be told exactly WHAT questions on safeguarding the NSPCC refused to answer.

ImAIdoot · 04/09/2018 09:13

@NSPCC: A safeguarding issue has been identified and pointed out to you.

You have actively chosen to ignore it, and as such you are knowingly complicit in any abuse of children that results, as surely as anyone who stands in the dock for it.

Don't trot out "we didn't think there was a safeguarding issue" after the fact and think that absolves you. The issue, the risk has been identified and outlined to you in detail, you are knowingly choosing to not only ignore, but reinforce it.