d'ya every wonder how life carried on and on and on.....

[Kelly1978]

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Too much waffling, you know who you are

I jsut wanted to psot to say good luck hm, hope you can hold out, but it really sounds like things are moving. Jsut think you could be cuddled upw ith your baby by tomorrow morning!

Glad to hear dt2 is better, fg.

FG............ I think you should write the definitive Multiple Mums book!

You have such fab ideas and they all seem workable... even to lazy old moi!

There's a lot of talent in the head. We're so glad that you are sharing it with us!

Now.. I must get back to watching The Cherry Orchard by Chekov! Sigh.............

waving hello - I have completely lost track of this thread again as usual - but just wanted to say hi and congrats to pixie.

Honestly throckenholt! lol

lovely ideas for bedtime frumpy, wish you were my mum, although that would make you pretty ancient I would also recommend \link{ www.amazon.co.uk/Tell-Something-Happy-Before-Sleep/dp/0552545066/sr=8-1/qid=1168440845/ref=pd_ka_1/202-8648790-9473404?ie=UTF8&s=books\this book} 'Tell me something happy before I go to sleep' which I often read to mine once they're in bed, I sit between them, read them the story with the lights dimmed then its a hug and off I go (sometimes I have to have a word with the fairies on the wall before I go as they keep the DTs awake, pesky things )

oh bugger try this

Yet another eventful day in the zoo. dt2 nearly sliced the top of his finger off and I had to rush him to hospital to get it cleaned up and dressed. There was blood everwhere, my car looked like somehting form a horror movie. I feel really bad, he was out of my sight for a min and now I've packed him off to dp's aunts to watch him, since he mustn't get it wet or pull it off for 5 days. At least there three adults can keep an eye on him and there no other kids to worry about. Aaargh! I feel exhausted. COuld murder a glass of wine, but I'm scared of drinkign with the prozac.

Oh Kelly, how awful. Hope he's on the mend soon.

Mars thank you. It all comes from desperation, necessity being the mother of all invention and all that.

Dingdong I love that story too! I used to tell DD that I would shove my fingers in my ears so she could make a wish to the fairies before she fell asleep. She trusted me and of course I could hear everything. I found out that she really wanted to go to the park with mummy, daddy and the babes not just her with mum or dad. Needless to say the fairies managed to help out .

Mars, a question, hypothetically what would happen if someone whipped out The Cherry Orchard and replaced it with Dirty Dancing?

I'm glad that I am not the only one HM! Kelly, what a horrible day, hope that it improves.
Fg, some more fab suggestions. When the door is closed, there is no light on, we have even turned the landing light of, so they are pitched darkness. They still behave like hooligans.
Your other suggestion is lovely, and although we tried to make the first night really special, it bears thinking about, as you to get them to regard you as a fun person, and want that attention rather then cross mummy.
Btw, my brother and his wife had a daughter today, she is called Mar (Mars you should approve) I must admit I don't like it, there was some confusion and Dad sent out a text saying it was Mia, which was lovely and I thought how nice.
Apparently Mar is spanish for sea (sil is spanish)but it will just sound like Ma, old ma, not sure they thought about how it will sound in English. Oh well.
Lapinrose, that looks like a lovely book, will get it when I am next shopping at Amazon

FG: I would spontaneously combust with orgasmic lust!

I rather like mar, makes me think of the mar de menor. Roll on august!!

Overrun, keep going honey, you will win through if you stay firm but fair, you have the patience of a saint.

It is an unusual name and I bet she just needs to grow into it. I love the sea (to be beside not necessarily in) so I quite like the connection. Bet it sounds fine when your SIL says it with her spannish accent . Do they live here?

kelly, have you booked your hols?

Exactly, it sounds lovely in Spanish, my Nana has had a fit about it, as she used to call her Mother Ma

kelly what a nightmare day! Hope its a bit easier with one out of the way for a while!

Overrun hope all goes a bit better tonight...I have just posted on your scarlet fever thread about the kids' prog in the late 70s(?) called Peppermint Pig about a girl with sf - anyone remember it?

Have had a horrid start to the evening, DT2 who is normally the most loving girl you could hope for has been in a right strop since I picked her up from nursery, I know she's just tired and I'm sure she'll be lovely tomorrow...DT1 has got through 3 pairs of trousers/knickers again today - why can't the nursery just ask her if she needs a wee every now and then FFS she never does this at home

Am now on the red wine and looking forward to desperate housewives later

dingdong, I get a bit upset at nursery staff too. Not them actually, just the fact that when someone goes on tea/lunch/out the room/holiday your precious ones are left at the mercy of whoever takes over. Its not really their fault, more a slightly lazy attitude. If it was me running the place.....well I'm so particular I'd need times, dates and descriptions before anyone left the room. I picked up my DTs from nursery a while back to be told they'd had a great day and were fine and they were both ill and had temperatures. They need consistency and then the staff begin to know them like we know them. I wish nurseries were staffed with mothers......

(in saying that our nursery has, largely, great staff, its just one or two new ones that aren't interested in learning the ropes that piss me off). Rant done .

the staff are really nice and the girls do like them, I just get a bit cross when they tell me DT1 has wet herself god knows how many times in the day (she never does at home/in the car/out & about) then go on to tell me that its not really her fault because...one of them was already taking another child to the loo, they were outside/in soft play when she said she needed to go, she was asleep at the time etc...if you have a room full of 3-4 yr olds why not make them ALL go to the loo before you take them anywhere/let them sleep - is it too much to ask?

in our nursery there is toilet time, usually just before morning snack 9.30am where they ALL wash hands and can wee (if they are potty trained). Again before they play outside and limitless times on asking. I think it is quite good to train the bladder emptying at certain times (as long as those times are regular) but your girls are fairly new into the routine (correct me if I'm wrong) that really I would expect the staff to be assisting a little more. Is there a suggestion box? You'd have to be vague to stay anonymous..... Is there one member of staff in particular that she feels happiest with that you could encourage to keep an eye on her? Its not really the wet clothes you (or me) are thinking about but more her comfort at asking to go and being taken.

I have mentioned it to one of the girls (can't thank of them as other than girls!) and will do so again next Monday. I have also suggested to DT1 that she should always go when DT2 goes, DT2 hasn't had any accidents, but took to toilet training much more easily in the first place. They're at home til Mon so I'll get her back on track and see how next week goes. Thanks for listening FG

Missed you asking about how long trained - its been about 8 months since we started, 6 months since DT1 got the hang of it - she is dry at night now too, so this is not a good thing

on a happier note I went to Jigsaw sale today and bought NOTHING which was very restrained of me and I'm taking the DTs swimming tomorrow, first time on my own I've signed them up for the 'tadpoles' class at my gym, I'll let you all know how much chaos we cause

oh please do! I have been making myself go swimming 2-3 times a week, 30 lengths a time and this is my third week. Feeling very good for it but my jeans beg to differ . I saw lots of mums today doing a class with their little ones (under 1) and wondered about taking my two to the pool.......I've only ever taken them with help......

Mars, does salsa shift the poundage? I feel a meet up coming on....I'll just slip right in to the class and you'll never know its me [pmsl, clutch my belly laughing, leakatthepantslaughing emoticon]

Oh god, pleeeeease tell me to piss off, I have jobs to do

Yes FG...salsa shifts pounds! See you there! lol lol

Overrun.. there is some excellent help on your bfing thread from Place... ABM counsellor!

I want to know how the swimming goes too! I've never taken mine here, only on holiday and they loved it there. I'm nervous of taking them both on my own and dp never wants to go here. I'd really like to get them used to the water again before the summer though. Yes, fg, I did book my hol, we book early while it's cheap and pay it off bit by bit before we go. It helps that dp works for a travel company too.

phew - finally waded through this thread - I am exhausted .

I had nice twin moment last weekend - they had their first swimming lesson - sat on the step and then solomly took each others hand and waded off to the other end holding hands - awwww. And then they consistently solemnly shook their heads when ths asked them to do anything - all they would do was walk . Still that is better than DS1 managed - he would not even join the class just messed around in the water at the other end.

I am not going to mention the rest of life with twins at the moment, not the trail of devestation at home, or anything else - I am at work and in denial.

I am also stuck in a negative rut with them at the moment - and really need to get proactive in the positive parenting thing - which is so so difficult when you are constantly knackered .