d'ya every wonder how life carried on and on and on.....

[Kelly1978]

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Too much waffling, you know who you are

I jsut wanted to psot to say good luck hm, hope you can hold out, but it really sounds like things are moving. Jsut think you could be cuddled upw ith your baby by tomorrow morning!

Glad to hear dt2 is better, fg.

Mars - you're a star! I'll go to my email now. Just been sifting through everything else on the thread since before xmas.

Now, Tracey - CONGRATULATIONS! That's so cool. FG - I'm really sorry to hear about work/home balances - I understand what it's like cos we've had the same kind of stuff happen to us and it's really difficult to sort it out in a weekend. Over the last couple of years I've had to do a lot of remembering that the man I married is my soul mate and someone I've known in previous lives and keeping the faith that he would come back one day. And fortunately he has. But it's so difficult. I've got very good at not being outwardly bothered about stuff until I'm calmer and can discuss things with a bit of humour. I'm also quite good at sitting in a corner of the kitchen and crying in the dead of night. Both help.

Lapinrose - you are not supposed to tell me bathroom stories involving twins and cleaning products. It's just not fair when I'm still feeling all honeymooney about them.

Hooodley ho - off to try to ring Mars while I do next feed. Ooh, and better eat some lunch too. So much for doing the work I was supposed to be doing...

Having spoken to Doris... and told her more poo stories lol.... I can honestly say........

(and try not to spit girls)... She's so together! Sigh.......... She does not sound like the mum of 11wk old DTs.

It has made me more determined that we all (take note FG) meet!

REally interesting to read your birth story Doris, thanks for posting.
hello every one.
Lapinrose, you were doing so well re bed versus cotbeds and dts, until you mentioned the boy twins
My dts are climbing on the furniture and hiding, and getting all the clothes out of the drawers, rolling their mattresses up, getting stuck between the slats etc etc
We have finally given in and put them in beds, they were getting up so often anyway, at least they cant' climb so easily now.
Do have a feeling of dread about tonight, but we will persevere with the rapid returns.
Would so love to buy a 4 bed, and did look at one the other day but is was horrible, so I think we will have to continue to look at 3 beds and hope we can afford a loft extension in the not too distant future.

Sorry overrun if its any consolation I have another friend with twin girls and they have been climbing out of their cots for months, are now 3.2 and still in their cots - she's so scared of what might happen - so its not just a boy thing... I recommend bribery and blackmail if rapid return doesn't work, also the Toddler Taming book recommends holding the door closed for progressively longer periods so they get the message that there is no escape we spent a few nights sat on the stairs, running up and down and holding the door shut - hard work but it pays off in the end. FWIW mine are sharing a room too, although we do have a 4 bed, but they have a playroom and a bedroom between them rather than a bedroom each. We also got dismantled the cots once we'd made the decision so there was no going back

Evening all, hope you all had a good weekend. Dh has been home but alas has now gone again.....am trying to hold it together.

I put the dts in beds when they were 13 months, only because they kept tipping themselves out of their cots and banging heads, limbs etc...It was a bloody nightmare! I eventually gave up with reasoning with them (they were too young) and put a stair gate on their bedroom door. I pretty much emptied their room too of any furniture except their beds. They were like mini tornados. Still by the time they were 2 i had cracked it and they went to bed very nicely and stayed put. They have been (by far) the best at going to bed. Im still struggling with ds#4 and he is 2 in 3 weeks.

I have a blog thingy set up so if you would like to see a piccie of the dc then go to largeginandtonic.spaces.live.com/personalspace I hope that gets you there! I will post more piccies when i get better at navigating the site, dh went through it with me but im a bit useless at anything technical!

lg&t

Lovely children!

Lovely children largeginandtonic, thanks for sharing about bedtimes, it is a difficult time isn't it.
I am struggling with them atm anyway, esp as they have given up their afternoon nap. So am finding their bedtime shennanigans really hard to cope with. It would probably be a good idea to empty room of furniture, but we just don't have the space to have it elsewhere iyswim They have just emptied all their drawers again. ARGH

ho hum.

Thanx for that Mars, i promise to get a better one on there soon. That one was for test purposes.

Overrun i put all the furniture in the hall, it was chaos and did not look good but i could not bear the emptying of drawers and hiding...um....stuff in there...They loved taking off their nappies too.....yuk. I cant wait tot orture them with these stories when they are older...heee, heeee, my time will come!!!!

Overrun... DT2 likes to take everything out of the drawers and throw it all down the stairs. Wee beast!!!!!!!!!

Drives me 10 points potty! I am so over the toddler thing!

Hello, I'm back!

The weekend was rather hectic in the end, lots of rushing about but very ncie to get away. Brought back loads of chocolate to styuff my face with too.

This morning was going so well, managed to get them to the school, to tescos and then to the drs for jabs without any tantrums or diving into puddles. THEN, the little horrors locked themselves in the car. Rav was screaming his head off, shay sat there qwuite happily and then after 20 mins decided to open the door for me.

ds1 is back from school and threatening to hit dt1 in the stomach. I hate it when they start school!

Overrun, my dts have only their cots in their room, too much hassle to keep putting it all back. The drawers went in my room (i out away my desk) and then I made a door out of mdf to put on their cupboard and put a lock on it put of reach. Now they jsut strip off and climb up to the windowsill and bang on the window.

doris the birth sounded wonderful.

My hooligans are fighting, I'm very feelign very of you with two newborns right now.

Hi Kelly glad you had a decent break, I hate coming back to reality!

Doris I am so impressed by the amount of detail you recall from your birth lovely to hear how it went and it sounds alot more pleasant than my experience

I'm back at work today, can you tell? Oh yes, 'working from home' reading up on a load of stuff I need to know so will be off to the shops in a mo, then to the gym and to collect the DTs. I could get used to this

How's it going with the beds overrun and HM?

overrun and HM have you seen this thread about non id boys?

Yeah! Doris can do longer posts than anyone!! Makes me feel much better . Lovely story Doris!

HM, how is it going?

Overrun, how was the night? I can send you my book if you'd like it. Can you remind me, what age are your DTs?

I'm resisting putting mine into beds (it hasn't occured to them they could climb out easily ) as long as I can as I have no idea how the school run routine would work if they were free to wander about . I'm close to starting a specific thread for just this as I can't put it off too much longer .

Kelly, nice to see you. How do you feel this week? Any different? Better or worse.

Nice to see you back kelly, glad you enjoyed yourself.
FG, they are 2.2. Last night was a bit better than the night before, but we had a good hour and a half struggle to get them to sleep, with rapid returning etc. Would be happy for any book recommendations.
Then dt1 woke up twice in the night, he just starts jumping up and down by the door screaming and we let him in with us because otherwise he wakes dt, which is what happened the night before.
I don't sleep very well when one of them is in with us.
Oh and ds1 woke up with a high temp this morning, saying his ear is hurting, not eating. he is so disappointed that he can't go to nursery and see all his friends. Needless to say I am disapointed too

Hi all!

Glad you had a good weekend Kelly!

Hope the move to beds went smoothly! Can't imagine mine ever being allowed out of their cots!

They are into everything now - so different to dd1 who was very placid and just played with the toys I gave her and wasn't particularly bothered about everything else she couldn't have. These 2 are all over the place and usually in opposite directions!

I was trying to explain the multitasking to a friend this morning - she has a 3 yr old (same age as dd1) and a 10 week old. I was telling her how I was dressing 1 baby, preventing the other from investigating the nappies I had just removed and hitting a balloon to dd1! - I am not sure she quite got it! and that was a calm and in control morning!

overrun, this is the book

It made me feel like I was taking control and helped me keep going with repeating the plan no matter how often the dear child insists his/her way is better. Is it always the same twin that gets up? Could there be a bargain? Favourite toy that you will let him have if he stays in bed?

One of the things in that book is to let the child see that he/she has THE POWER. The aim is to let them feel that they are making the decisions whilst giving them no decision. So by suggesting that the door will stay a little open or that they can have their favourite toy if they stay in bed, they are the one making the decision. ("Would you like the door open or shut when you get into bed?" i.e. "YOU ARE GOING INTO BED AND STAYING THERE COME HELL OR HIGH WATER EVEN IF I HAVE TO USE PACKAGING TAPE, AND ALL THE MOTHERS FROM THE MULTIPLES THREAD WHO ARE ALL SLEEP DEPRIVED but would you like the door open whilst you do that" ).

You then have to be the Wicked Witch from all directions and follow through by withholding that privilege if they get up. They will scream, shout and cry and if it goes on and on then it has to be withheld longer and longer (or the door held shut if need be).

Not always pleasant but it makes for happier families all round. Start early in the evening and have a gin whilst doing it and do it with someone else in the house so when you crumble in tears and say "that's it I can't keep doing this it must be cruelty" they can remind you its fine.

Keep going x.

Hello everyone, glad you had a nice weekend Kelly. It must have been lovely to get away, hopefully the dc will calm down in a few days. Back in to routine and all that, so dull.

The dts dad is an identical twin and his mother had 5 dc, she used to put chicken wire over their cots so they couldnt get out and cause trouble.... but

Doris the birth sounded fab! Well done for sticking to your guns, it is so hard when you are being bullied by all in the hospital.They sound lovely, i cant wait to have a newborn back in my arms (although this thought changes day to day)

Hi ladies, haven't posted for ages, hope you are all well, me I am huge and only 25 weeks.

Just a quick question for you I am looking at using a podee hands free bottle to express some milk for one of the DT, has anyone used this bottle?
If so is it any good and do you have to use the attachments with the bottle or can you use other bottles?

thanks for your time.

Hi 1b3, just registering to say sorry haven't used one.......hope you're well.

1b3.... I couldn't take the podee seriously! Sorry.... it just looks so......... so.............. so...... I'm gonna have to say it........ hilariously stupid!

However I'm sure it's very good!

i want to join in your twin clique

but i am sooooo old i feel out of place.

i am not hinting at sympathy or anything

i'm downright asking for it.

take pity on me, the old twin mum. {sniff)

bet you're not older than me

Bet your all older than me Im being aged prematurely though due to having 5 (#6 in utero) in 6 years!!!! All my own fault obviously (well the twins did manage to circumnavigate a condom and diaphragm)