Under 1s twin post-natal group? Should we have one? Who's in?!

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The antenatal group is nearly full, any graduates fancy joining forces to compare

Lemele, ah I so empathise. I totally get it. I'm trying so hard to be positive for DD and really boost her because I know she's having a hard time, but then at times she does something truly horrible and I just pull my hair out. But she is so sad, I feel like I've done something terrible to her by having these boys, but I love them all so much....agh, hard! And when they all get on it's amazing....sigh.

Thanks everyone for the contraception tips - I think the coil maybe the way to go. My mate who has one is totally evangelical about it. Mind you, she has just got divorced so I've had to reintroduce her to the idea of barrier contraceptives!

And I feel a bit better today - did bedtime on my own again. Managed to get all in bed, fed and relatively clean by 7pm. Then I sat in my garden with a beer and ordered a pizza from Dominos. Somehow that makes me very happy!

What's happened to mine? I miss her, is she about? And I really hope peeling comes back soon...and also BB3 - did you get my pm? xxx

Agh, should NOT have posted. Blooming children only given me an hours peace all evening. Had DD up and about for various random reasons eventually insisting she wanted me to lie down with her and then whimpering every time I left the room. Then DT1 woke up and started yowling...great. Come home DH all is forgiven.

Me neither. Mine were up every 2.5 hours all night again, except now I'm more frustrated as I now know for a fact they can go longer...

Hoping BB3 is just busy and K's op went well.

Yes, are you lurking peeling or coming back with a new name?

Oh Red, bummer!!! Glimmers of hope that are then snatched away are the worst! I had got my hopes up last night as the boys settled well the night before.... but of course it did not go nearly as well. However, I did manage a half hour window again when all 3 were asleep so I could sit downstairs watch Eastenders and have a beer with DH. I didn't have chance to finish it when DT1 woke up, but I did settle him again... got back downstairs and DH had drunk the rest of my beer!!!!!!!! I was not happy!

So impressed you can do the bedtime on your own Red, even if the wheels did fall off later on. DH is meant to be working away soon and I am already thinking I need to get my Mum to come and stay.... may be I need to be a bit braver. Did you manage to eat your Pizza?

And :( at DDs words re you having to feed, it must be so hard (for all of you). Its a balancing act that we rarely win isn't it? My DD is doing well but whenever I am feeding the boys (ff) she ALWAYS says in a really sad voice 'cuddle me Mummy, cuddle meeeee :( :( and I just have to say that I can't but she can sit next to me and cuddle in... sometimes she is fine with this other times she has a tantrum and worst of all sometimes she just sobs.

Lemele hope last night was better for you.... over tired children = nightmare!

Been thinking of you too BB3, I am sure you are busy looking after DS (and the DTs of course!) - hope all is well. And come back Peeling! Are you lurking?!

Hello CVB, Dream, Beyoglu, Claire and everyone else. Happy Friday

Crossed posts Dream - another case of a glimmer of hope snatched away... but how can we not get our hopes up when we are so desperate for a good nights sleep?!

Old face here under new name. Not my best, but felt appropriate at the time!

Oh bless, just seen some nice messages. Lovely ladies on here! xx

Hello Drowning! Lovely to see you

Hey Drowning, it's safe to come out. The orange goo sounds a bit worrying, weaning not going well?

Hey drowning

Red re dd - think it's just part of the learning process for her but doesn't make it any easier. I'll pm you back as soon as I'm on a computer.

Dream how are those beautiful boys?
Bigboobs and your gorgeous little munchkins?

Things not so good here, k's op didn't work so we are back to square one! It's very frustrating and has us all a bit frayed this end. Ive given my notice to work early so i can spend time with the kids for a couple of months and help with k's therapy before we start up the business. But on the positive side he's no worse and the girls are doing just brilliantly! Very active, and learning every day. We have clapping, copying sounds, lots of laughter and cruising around. Ayse even climbs the blinking stairs!! Definitely keeping me busy. Edith-May is very vocal and demanding so poor Ayse seems to be a bit shy, must make more effort to ensure she's part of the craziness! The contrast in them is so stark now so for example when Edie says no she screams blows raspberries to demonstrate she doesn't want something whereas Ayse just shakes her head in a shy no movement!

How is everyone else doing?

I have to join in the healthy eating I seem to have out weight back on in the past month

Right ds snoring better get him to bed x

Lemele well done on sleep
Cvb at dcs reading gf!
Claire how are Emma and Ricardo? They must be getting quite big now x

Hi guys. As suspected, improved evening = worse nights (so far). Waking pretty much every hour after 1am :( (taking it in turns - I expected Toby to sleep a lot longer so didn't wake him when Jacob woke - and then regretted it ever after!) I wish I could put them to bed earlier... Think I might attempt to put them to bed as quick as possible after DS goes up, then they might not object too much to having a dream feed about 2 hours later!

My feeding cushion arrived today though and boy is it easier to feed still think it's an extortionate price but there we go... so hopefully that'll help.

Hope everyone else is ok - shame about the op not working BB3 :( but at least things aren't worse.

Got my boys' christening tomorrow so at least that should be good fun :)

Oh lemele that sounds bad. We had hourly wakings last weekend for DTD, I thought she was teething but no evidence yet - but she's gone back to normal so let's hope your boys do the same.
Hope the christening goes well, you must have been busy organising that!

We're off to Devon today for a week. Our car is packed to the roof, I can't believe how much stuff we are taking, will we ever fly again!! There is flooding in Devon today so think we'll be indoors a lot but will be nice just to spend time with DH and for him to spend time with DTs (he works looong hours). Have a good week all!

have wonderful holiday CVB, and yes lots of rain in that part of the country (I know it well!) but like you said, just being away from home and work makes a real difference.... enjoy!

Lemele, have a great day tomorrow - you will be a very proud Mummy!

Every hour :( not good! I am still seeing little improvement re bedtime - persevering with bath at 6 then milk then bed - they are way more settled than they were when I kept them up downstairs, but they do not fall asleep - they lie there quite happy for a while but then need lots of cuddles etc... they fall asleep on and off (but not usually at the same time!) until their next feed (usually three hours later at 9pm, may be 10pm) and then they fall asleep fine. Although they do of course wake up for milk usually twice more before morning! But I am sticking to it as I want my evenings back too!

BB3, so sorry you have not seen an improvment in DS. Is it a definite that there will be no improvement or could there be in time? Your DTs sound so lovely, I expect they love watching DS don't they? How is DS feeling after the op? Hope he is doing ok even though there has not been an improvement (IYSWIM!).

What a shame BB3. What's the next step? :( . Up stairs already... Eek!

My boys are still colicky/refluxy- DT2 and spent 3.5 hours trying to get them down, occasionally napping on the boob but mostly fretting/crying/ being jigged. I am so desperate for my evenings back but its not looking like happening any time soon. Gah.

Yes, I hope your holiday is great cvb . Will your dts sit in the buggy and let you go to some new places? Or nice cafes?! Think we aren't going. It'll be no fun with nights like this and we won't have any family help to take the pressure off.

Oh, more crying...

BB3, I'm sorry about DS. At least the process has been started to help him out though, but really not great having this set back. And I'm glad you've made a decision about work, that should make things easier. The business idea sounds exciting...I'm hoping to set myself up once we've worked out where we're going to live. Being self-employed is the way forward!

ceeveebee, have a lovely break.

Thanks everyone else for nice comments re DD. I really am up and down with it, massively depending how much sleep I've had. Some days I'm a saint and some days I'm not such a great mother, but we muddle through. I just wish we had a tactic and stuck to it. Time out/naughty step just wont work as I've literally got my hands full, enforcing it would be a total arse and tbh I think DD would enjoy the drama of it/getting my full attention. But ignoring it hasn't worked either and is also really hard to do. I'm sure she'll grow out of it, she's such a lovely bright funny little thing and she's fiercely protective of her brothers, but just seems to need to bite em every now and again.

Sorry to everyone having sleep set-backs. What a palaver eh? I keep thinking about what it would be like if there was only one, it definitely is harder with two just because of the sheer amount of stuff to do and even if one has a good night, the other's bound not too.

We've had a lovely morning - both boys have been giggling and kicking their legs about like mad things. DT2 has managed to flip himself from front to back. And we took all of them to the lido - madness- but the boys slept in the buggy and DH and I managed to have a swim with DD. Lovely. Here's a picture of the pool Remind me, why are we coming back?

Hi everyone (waving away here) Im sorry not been here for a while and may have to do a bit of read and run .

red thanks for missing me! Im not going anywhere I told you I NEED my fellow twin mums.

claire I hate those types of screamy bedtimes tbh I was a bit glad to see someone else say they have some trouble and sometimes feel like I must be torturing my dts! I do nothing but carry on regardless of the crying as really feel theres no other option. I feel that dt1 especially is getting really hard in that he barely lets me out of his sight and certainly doesnt like to share me!

I decided to take the plunge with weaning and dt1 is loving it mouth open waving spoon around aiming at mouth but hitting forehead whilst dt2 isnt bothered so will take longer I may even postpone with him for a bit. Interesting that if I had gone with hv's advice and only tried dt2 then dt1 would still be waiting though he is so easy to wean so far.

All the posts on here are so close to what we all go through-the sleepless nights, the colic, the crying, the double of everything- that its just lovely to read I think when you meet another twin mum they just 'know' and it makes me feel so much better.

Oh one last thing I think it was claire who questioned self settling at naps? My dts never had a routine but what I did (being as ours are the same age) I started putting them down every 2 hrs as this was the time they seem to drop off and self settled. Regardless of when they ate they sometimes eat play sleep sometimes sleep eat play and all around the other ways. When I started doing this I started to get 3 45mins-1 hr naps daily in theyre swings just last week they began to go a bit longer in the pm so theyve been having that nap in the cot and can last 45mins-2 hrs. Well dt2 has 2 hours sleeping beauty dt1 is considerably shorter but I usually bring him back down and settle him back to sleep so they have the same amount of time. I really do waffle dont I?

Im sorry I havent had time to comment on all the other posts though I have read them and am sending hugs cwtches to you all. Just being a bit too much of a social butterfly at mo whilst dh is doing all the bedtime routines alone. Best grow up and be a mum again I think :).

Oh wow rednellie, looks gorgeous... Why are you indeed?! I have no words of wisdom re the big sister thing, we have DD who is really shouting and screaming for attention now, it drives me potty too but I know she's getting far less than pre-boys. In a few years they'll be so grateful for their siblings though, we must remind ourselves of that.

I'm still waiting my magic three month sleep improvement. Well, DT2 has had a couple of better ones, but DT1..., I can often only settle him in bed with me, and I just can't relax and sleep properly with him there. Last night my new plan was go back to an ebm bottle before bed to fill them up, only had enough for one so DT1 got it and slept 3 hours (but didn't finish his bottle), DT2 got both boobs and slept a whopping 8 hours!!! So now i think they've not been getting enough at their last feed. Anyone else had this problem/worry?!

Oh, and DD has a temp of 39.2 and hand foot and mouth again, the blisters are out now. Boo, hiss

Lovely to see you minesa typical how your hv was wrong about who wanted food!!

8 hours!!

still on every 3 hours here, beginning to despair at the lack of improvement - bedtime not improving either - ie. not working!!

Feeling a little negative today - can you tell?!

Yeah, but it'll be a fluke bigboobs, and DT1 was up every 2-3 hours all night... I'm despairing too.

Only got the energy to skim read today ...We all seem to have a DT1 who can't sleep/settle compared to the DT2... funny!

Yes dreaming i worry about them not getting enough later on. My boobs feel empty the whole time, never feel the slightest bit full anymore, and yes they look fine on it but it does make me wonder... On the other hand i have lately discovered the joy of dream feeds... proper ones! (DS never fed like that, had to wake him properly then settling was hit and miss, and the twins haven't had a chance before now). It's so nice just to pick them up, stick a boob in their face for a bit, then put them back! (Yeah i am fully expecting to jinx that now...)

Christening was lovely today btw, hurrah

to everyone else

Yey for lovely christening. I (secretly) would love a proper christening but I haven't been to church for years and DH is very atheist, iykwim. I'd have to do a lot of convincing. All my Welsh family have almost given up hope of one, but I know all the aunties would be so chuffed...ah well.

Lemele, don't worry about your boobs feeling empty. Second time round I think you get to that point quicker than the first time. Mine have settled down loads already, whereas with DD I got that full feeling months in.

We've had an up and down weekend. Some of it has been lovely, but some of it has been hard. I'm a bit worried about DD so I'm going to take her to the docs this week. She looks really peaky, keeps getting this weird eye redness and her bowel movements have been a bit odd. I sort of feel something is up, I don't know whether it's a definite thing or whether she's just not sleeping enough, I just don't want to leave it to chance. I'm also still feeling a bit down. I think I've hit a wall...we've been doing so well, but I think it can be so unrelenting that you have to sag at some point.

Not got long - first day on my own with all 3 as parents can't get here coz if the floods :(
red you are doing such a fab job with your 3, you sound like a lovely mum and have been so supportive to the rest of us. Sounds like you are having a hard day - try to remember how wonderful you are hope dd is ok

Got to try and get out with the gang.... already struggling to keep my eyes open!

rednellie you have got so much on your plate looking after all three and organisinga big international move, be kind to yourself, we all have bad days, I had one yesterday

lemele lovely to hear about the christening, like rednellie I'd love to have one any excuse for a party but we are not religious so it would feel wrong.

bigboobs good luck today, I am sure you will be fine!

dream how is your dd? hope she's getting better, and good news for dt2 sleeping, dt1 will follow before long, I am absolutely sure!! my two seem to have mostly synchronised themselves, bar the occasional feed/nap during the day and they were 5 months yesterday!!

aargh got to go see r now, I'll be back, but I'm posting this in the meantime, I haven't forgotten anyone I promise!!