Under 1s twin post-natal group? Should we have one? Who's in?!

[PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling]

The antenatal group is nearly full, any graduates fancy joining forces to compare

lemele, my step sister has a gorgeous little Jacob. Reason we didn't use it. And I wanted tobias too- dh liked Toby but not tobias, which i really wanted for birth certificate so went for Benjamin instead :-). love that he still looks a bit like a monkey! My dh is particularly rude about saying Sebastian looks like Winston Churchill and other things- probably because he knows it winds me up! I can't help being a bit like it too, both have bad baby acne at the minute. Take no notice of the mw about Toby's weight. I got told by a very sensible hv with DD, after she dropped two centile lines in the red book, that she looked perfectly healthy and her advice was never weigh her again (normal hv insisting on gp visit etc). So i never took her again! She was back to her birth centile by her 9 month check.

Love it too bb3! They'll enjoy being in that :-)

Wow rednellie how fantastic, well done you! To put on 3lb each in 6 weeks is great. Are you feeding constantly? I'm.still stuck. I keep getting told its a growth spurt- what, constantly since birth?! That's just growing surely if it doesn't ever get less?!

So cute!! Very

dream, my two are classic cluster feeders so I have 3/4 hour stretches t a time where one or other is attached, but then I get breaks on that they do occasionally sleep fpr 3/4 hrs. I try to take great care of my nipples (don't laugh!) as I know if they get buggered we're all buggered so lots of air time etc.

Oooh BB3, that is a) hilarious and b) brilliant.

I think I weighed DD too often last time so with these ones I'm just weighing them at the check ups unless I'm worried. That's one thing I'll miss from Canada tho - the community nurses are amazing and very matter of fact/slightly hippy so you often get very reassuring advice. I got told a load of guff from my hv with DD.

DD still on the attack, but slightly less damage being done. It's very hard being a parent of a biter as even tho we're doing everything right you can't help thinking people will judge you. The mw's were totally understanding about it and offered much the same advice as on here. DD does get a lot of time with me so I genuinely think it's an extension of that toddler curiosity to see what reaction she can get....

I'm still trying to survive my cluster feeders. They never go longer than two hours at night either- and I mean if they wake at 2am, and i get them fed, winded, nappy if dirty, down for say 2:45, 3 they're up again at 4am. I don't always wake the other too because I just can't face them both being awake sometimes... Disaster sleep wise for me, another reason I'm struggling.

And can I ask, did anyone else not wake the other twin to feed them? I kind of feel they're waking so often that if one will go longer I should encourage that, not wake him and reinforce the two-hourly cycle?! Yes or no?

Hope everyone else is getting on ok, its been quiet on here!

Hi dream

Sorry to hear you're still getting very little sleep, must be hard going

I only ever wake them during the day (if they go longer than 3 hrs), as am trying to fill them up in the vain hope that they go longer at night. when I wake them at night often they are still not interested, so waste of time. Also its happened a couple of times than one of them skippeda feed, and I slept a bit more.

How old are they now? Mine are nearly 12 wks and they normally have a longish first srtetch (say 9-9.30 to 1am) then its every 3 hrs, so not too bad really. (but I still wake with a headache everyday!)

It will improve, just a few more weeks!

Hmm. Mine are 4 weeks on Wednesday. Last night they slept 10:30-11:45 and 4-4:45. That was it.

I am barely functioning. Dh and I are arguing. They're colicky, and had a better evening, slept 7-9 instead of crying, then woke n took til 10:30 to get both down but seems they'd transfered their colicky time to in the night...

Urgh.

Needless to say, 7-9 we were getting DD to bed, having dinner and i got ready for bed what a waste of time

It must be nearly time for your holiday bb3!

Dreaming, you have my sympathies, I've just had a night of no sleep whatsoever (little boy going from crying to snoring without pausing for breath, all night) and I am a complete zombie, had clearly forgotten what it's like!
Any inprovement?

Hows food progressing with everyone else? We're up to 3 meals a day but finger food is a complete mystery and early indications suggest texture not going to be a success either!

Dream - I only woke the girls every two hours in the first week until they were over their birth weight, after that I just left them. Don't worry about arguing etc, it's part of the course I think!

Peeling - I don't do finger food - I am a bit old school and like my pureed mush - (and beige carpets!!!). They have had a few things but mainly whizzed down dinners x

No improvement in sleep here, I have totally remedial children, certainly in terms of sleeping!! Last night was miles better than the one before, they were up every 90 min but better than the one before when they didn't go down at all.

Been out to playgroup with them all both mornings this week, I feel much better for doing normal things and DD gets fidgety and bored so fast at home. My mum was helping yesterday and my dad today though, I'm still not managing alone. Would help if the babies would be put down,but they won't entertain that idea!!

peeling my DD wouldn't eat most finger food or lumpy puree but then had no problems with texture etc from about 10 months. She still wouldn't bother chewing meat though, mince is as good as it gets . I still puree chicken etc into pasta sauces and freeze them for her to reject straight away . She wasn't prem though, would that have any impact?

dream don't despairt yet it's still early days, we are making slow improvements on the sleeping front, but still improvemetns they are!

They still struggle to go down early and if they do, they sleep an hour max (but at least we can eat dinner in peace!), and there is a lot less crying involved, Infacol is working wonders on dtb and we got proof the other day when I forgot several doses and in the evening he was screaming and pulling knees up in pain again!

Sometimes one goes down early but there is always one that doesn't [hmmm], wonder how that happens??? Anyway, once they're gone, they have quite long stretches, like 5-6 hrs then 4ish and the feeds are short and sweet. Not too bad overall!!

Afraid I can't help much re weaning as it feels like it was a lifetime ago when I last had to puree anything! My peads would like me to start at 4 and half months, but we'll see about that!!!

Can I join, please. I am the artist formerly known as quempin on another thread!! Had a broken laptop for ages then when the boys were between about 8 and 16 weeks didn't have the time to finish a cup of tea, let alone anything else! They are napping now as I type!!

Hi jumble! Nice to see you again. Don't tell me it can get any worse. I may as well sell mine now!!! In fact, free to a good home*. I got one hours sleep last night n that was when dh was jigging them. Pass the matchsticks...

*disclaimer- I am of course joking

i will shut up dream honest!!!

dreaming Oh, how I remember the snatches of 45 minutes of sleep as I fed one, fed the other, plonked them down then realised that it was nearly time for the first one again! Looking back at our milk log (I know, I'm such a geek), they kept this up for quite a while but I managed more sleep as I put them onto faster teats and fed them together. Having said that, I have heard of a lovely lady with twins who had hers going through the night from very early on. These two are past the 4 month mark now and, on a good night, have 1 wake up from 7 til 7...and on a bad night revert back to giving Mummy multiple wake ups.Asthey have just hit the one stone mark, though, I mustn't grumble as all that milk is making them big and strong!!
waves back at claire

I've not had a proper chance to catch up on this new thread but I will do as soon as I can. Lots of love to all you ladies and twinnies xx

Hmm, I'm ebf quemp/jumble . I anticipate it not getting better for a while. Last night really was a new low though with them not ever, ever being asleep at the same time.... It's the settling that's a nightmare for me, both are refluxy and need holding up for ages after feeds. So one wakes, I feed him, wind him, hold him up then put him down and get the other. Who I start feeding and the first one starts screaming again. Or puking. Or both. It's hard to take one off to wind tandem feeding which sometimes ends with being puked all over by the baby who needed winding earlier. I'm struggling.

Don't worry Claire, right now I really need to believe it'll get better. It's very encouraging to hear how R and E are getting on. And in.desperation I will restart the infacol, just in case!

Oh, and what does DD2 make of them now Claire? And are you still mainly bf both from one side? I'm so impressed, I feel sore a lot and my nipples never get a break as it is. You're amazing.

Oh Dream, you poor thing. I had refluxers too and best advice I can give is:
Upright bouncy chair post-feed, ours is baby bjorn, which in most vertical setting is pretty good.
Wake dp to hold one post feed! You can't do it all yourself, you just can't.
Badger your docs until they take it seriously - generally if babies are gaining weight then they can be a bit slow to react, but if you want meds you're not getting then pester, pester cry.
Do they get distressed? If they're happy pukers I'd be tempted to put them down and just accept some wastage. We had to as the pukiest baby was the much faster feeder, so I always had to put him down a bit too soon to feed the next one. It's just vomit, it washes! ignores slight aroma of cow in mattress

Sending hugs and sleepy thoughts to the Dts.

Thank you dream your post nearly made cry [overly emotional hormonal
Mum emiticon].

i am still feeding from my superboob most of the time . They tend ti have about 4 max 5 oz ff a say each. I am pretty impressed with my boob! I did start with a lot more ff feeds and gradually built up, so it hasnt had such a battering! Also used lansinoh cream by the wagon for several weeks,finally (and I have no medical evidence), I do think having breastfed 2 babies already has made it tougher, might be complete bollocks, but it didnt hurt anywhere near as much as it did with dd1 when I almost gave up.

I am hugy lopsided though and am struggling to disguise it with the good weather and lighter clothing but I can live with that.

Dd2 is doing much better, thanks for asking. She's actually started cuddling and kissing the twins, which is nice. I am teying to spend every spare moment I get with her, and it seems to work. They are both incredibly patient with the situation, I am very lucky.

I truly hope you get some sleep soon, you're doing so well, I get very grumpy if I dont sleep!

Ah claire, what a lovely post and glad your DD2 is getting on better. Its frigging hard for them to have their mum taken away so much. My DD is finally getting better and clearly loves the twins, just hates me being off limits/tired/unavailable.

And your superboob is a total wonder. I salute you.

dream, I honestly would not survive the night if I didn't tandem feed. I only wake the other twin once I've decided its a reasonable amount of time - i.e. about 2/3 hrs between end of one feed, beginning of another. Also, my DH is the one who comforts pre or post feed. He sleeps whilst I feed and I don't wake up until both twins are ready to be fed. Sometimes I put them down, but if they're a bit relfuxy then he has to do the sitting up. We've just decided that's fair and reasonable otherwise we would not get any sleep. also, we've only got two bedrooms so if I was up comforting them he'd be up anyway...he's a bit of an insomniac.

Having said all that, all is not well in the red household - I've got a plugged duct/beginnings of mastitis/thrush as well oh joy. I'm dealing with it and sorting it out, but all the bloody advice tells you to rest! HAHAHA HAHAHAH. So that's going well. On a positive note I did blow the dust off the pump and used it for the first time since my abortive attempts for DD (I'm trying to drain my breast as much as poss)- managed to get over 6oz in about 10 mins. I was astonished....

Hello jumble! So nice to hear from you again.

Massively impressed at the BF dream.
I'd have liked to have been able to do it but I can honestly say I don't think I'd have been able to cope at all. I dont care what anyone says - BF is much harder!! Sounds like you're doing a great job.
I have the odd grumble about how hard it is...but is has certainly got easier. And, hopefully, will continue to do so.
Absolutely, completely and utterly wonderful being a Mummy to twins, though.

Advising a twin mummy to rest, red. Ha ha ha. What are they on?! Hope the badness clears up for you soon
x

Claire you deserve a medal for feeding both yourself. I read something yesterday saying if your breasts have increased in size bf-ing they start going back to normal slowly from 6 months. Only another 3 of hugely lopsided maybe...?! I hope so. I believe in the fed-before tougher nipples theory. The constant battering would have been harder if I'd not fed DD I think. Such good news that DD2 is cuddling and kissing the babies. I think if you've been the 'baby' of the family for 7 years and then 2 more come along its hard anyway and you said she's the less maternal of your girls didn't you? Sounds like she's a lovely big sister already though.

I think you're both fantastic with your bf efforts rednellie & claire. How old were your boys when they started doing 2-3 hours? At 4 weeks I'm nowhere near that... I often get anything from wanting more and refusing to settle until re-fed after 10 minutes of being winded, not even down, and their best overnight is usually 90 min. Not great. Are you still rugby ball hold for both rednellie? what do you do if one starts refluxing/ puking/ screaming at the boob if the other is on too? These are what I struggle with. One cradle, one rugby ball is most comfy for me but impossible to wind one in?! I'm.having to express too to give gaviscon.

Oh, both asleep, as is DD- to bed!

dream my medals are my beautiful babies looking at me with big adoring eyes when I bf and mn at the same time