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OTT / self-indulgent I know, but Toddler Twin Tantrums..... aaargh! Just as well they're so cute too. Ds2 was v funny today wiggling his bum singing uh, uh Bobby' in response to me dancing round the kitchen to Bobby's girl'...

Eeek, watched it again ALL. Not quite as harrowing as last time but still pretty sad. I did add to the atmosphere by intoning every so often to DH 'Of course this is the type of boyfriend R/M will end up with if we have to send them to THAT SCHOOL' etc etc

Hope your DP and DS2 perk up tomorrow. Nowt worse than D&V. Mmmm chocolate you bitch

So (& the clip from next week looks a difficult one). The happy ending was all nicely formulating in my brain then.... BAM! She was doing so well. I could have cried for him when he was telling the SW how he didn't like her.. but not her.. but you understand...? & when he was singing to baby..

Seems there's a D&V bug doing the rounds at nursery.... but I don't think this one came from there so I hope it's not on the way too! DS1 had the runny bum on Saturday so prob started it here, but I blamed soft play for that. He's on top form at the moment & I even walked him home from nursery today. It's only a 5minute walk. Was it anywhere near a 10min round trip ??

Wrote huge post earlier but it got timed out so lost it all. The gist of it was apologies for lack of posting, have been lurking but not posting as have nothing nice to say about my children and they say if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all the boys tantrums are just horrendous .full blown rigid body, legs thrashing screaming for 15 minutes over a misplaced pea on j's plate. Would be funy if it wasn't happening 2-3 times a day each I know it is just a stage but it is sooooooo wearing. Doesn't help that h is going through a back chat stage. Really just need a night away from it all. Unfortately asking anyone to babysit 3 kids overnight is a huge ask. Shouldn't moan especially to you lot who are all in a similar situation - well hopefuuly with slightly les tantrums.

ll hope you are feeling more decided about whether to move or not. What does your dh think? Have you spoken to mm as she moved out of London quite recently?

Not thought about schools much here. Scotland has less choice, pretty much you just go to the local primary followed by the local secondary as any other option would require ridiculous amounts of traveling. A relief to have the decision made for me really. Though at the moment am thinking of deferring h who is due to start school in aug but as she is in the youngest 2 months of the catchment year (march - feb) she has the option to defer. Though with the kids behavior this week maybe we should be hoping for a lottery win and sending them off to boarding school. Think of the peace and quiet

ALL I know he was v endearing wasn't he? Had tears in my eyes when he met his little boy. Omg though, that dog!

Chesti huge sympathy with the tantrums. Mine are pretty awful too, though they tend to take it in turns at the moment. My main problem is the back arching and screaming every time they get put in the car/buggy. I know it's petty but the bloody backache, not to mention the number I have bumped my head, broken/snagged a nail, clipped my own skin into the straps etc etc!
I would totally babysit for you if I was nearby. Sometimes a night away is the only remedy... ask whoever you can, someone might actually be pleased to be able to help and in any case they can easily invent an excuse if it's a deeply unappealing prospect. Do you have a couple of child free friends who could do it as a joint effort? Or could you send H to someone's and have someone else over to look after the boys?

Well my sister is in labour as we speak (with her first). She knows she's having a girl, I'm so excited for her and wish I was nearer so I could be at the hospital. As it is, the earliest I can visit is the weekend, when I am supposed to be away on a hen weekend...

Exciting stuff Tarti! So you're an Auntie twice over in 2ish weeks? Any news? What are you going to do about visiting?

Aww Chesti, my sympathies too. Hope they move on from it pretty sharpish.

Stiil in the depths of D&V here. Thought ds1 had got away with it but he had some horrendous nappies yesterday. Thank God for dungarees. You know things are bad when dts are telling you there's poo on the floor & you know they're both nappied & trousered. Then ds1 started throwing up through the night & dd has had one big chuck up this morning. I'm onto my 4th change of clothes and have had Thomas on loop all morning. A little respite for now as the boys are sleeping & dd is feeding.

ALL Sorry to hear yours have D&V - am so glad it hasn't reared its head here - definitely not welcome!!!
Havent been on for a few days as poorly DTrip been in and out of hospital with dangerously low sugar (scary blue-light journey..) and in the end her consultant decided to, last minute, fit a gastrostomy (PEG) tube.. Was in DD's best interest as she has turned into a different child in the past 6 weeks. She can barely get off the sofa the whole day, no energy to eat/drink, can barely walk to front door let alone out the house, and looks constantly seriously ill - eyelids half closed, pale etc. The amount of weight she has lost is ridiculous, even after being referred to a dietician; she is tiny - looks awful next to her sisters.. you would never think they were triplets. Before she was rushed to hospital last week, we were at a loss with what to do - and to be perfectly honest, I thought she had some underlying problem and was dying - she was that poorly.
Last night was her first night on tube feed - she is fed continuously throughout the night - and went brilliantly. She did have to be pricked constantly to check bloods, but because she didn't have to be woken up, she didn't even know - had the best night sleep for a good few months and woke up like a different child!
Tonight is our 1st night on our own - wish us luck! (And no leaks!)
Looking forward to having more than 2 hours sleep a night

Oh wow, def `good luck' Kate. Sounds v scary & I imagine most would have been having similar thoughts about underlying problems - puts a bit of D&V into perspective! Is the tube going to stay just til she's stabilised / another plan is made a bit or is it going to be a longer term solution? V, v good news that it's had such a positive impact so quickly.

Oh Kate - what a few days you must have had. I really hope tonight goes well for you all and she starts to feel better poor little thing. And enjoy the 'luxury' of a bit longer in between wake ups

Kate that sounds just awful, I hope she's on the mend and the next few days bring you so much needed rest

I won't bore you all but I am obsessing over schools, bloody hell, it looks like I'm off to church this Sunday, and squirelling away money in case we have no choice to go private

Oh kate sounds like your poor dt has had a tough few months. Fingers crossed that she has turned the corner and the peg will help her get the energy to be herself again soon. I hope the rest of your family is dog ok after having the stress of the last week. Thinking of you all.

Good news for me is that my lovely mum and dad are coming this weekend to babysit on sat night so that dh and I can have night out. We are not getting away (m & d are not that keen to do an overnight) but a meal out will be lovely

All, hope the d&v is a sort lived thing and everyone is back to full health soon.

Lavita you're as bad as me... Although I must admit I have stopped short of squirrelling away any money. Unless buying new boots and a dress counts as an investment??

Yep twice an Auntie (although this one feels more real iyswim as it's my sister). Think I will sack off the hen weekend and go down to see her on Sat. Feel a bit bad but it's not a close friend so I'm sure she'll understand. My sis has torn quite badly and had to have a lot of stitches so another night in hospital tonight. Her dd is doing the whole lull-you-into-false-sense-of-security-by-sleeping-peacefully-for-the-first-24hrs thing. I have refrained from making any wry comments about enjoying it while it lasts!

ALL She will have the peg for another 2/3 months and then have a 'button' put in - from what they've said, its like the blow-into bit on an inflatable, rather than the tube she's got now. Apparently its much easier, but they don't recommend going straight to a button for some reason. We're not really sure how long she will have the peg in for - maybe the next few years, maybe months? But when they think she's 'ready' then we just won't feed her for the night, and she if she can stabilise herself - if not, back to feeds!
I know what you mean about putting things into perspective, I do it myself - but I do have a lot of sympathy for you - children and D&V doesn't mix. I'm so glad that mine rarely get it, but I never know what to do, its just awful :(

Tarti Thank you :) I can't wait for tonight! She's gone down fine with it and although I'll still have to check her levels every few hours - she won't wake up (because she won't need to be orally fed) and so I can just check her and go straight back to sleep Definitely a lady of luxury!

Thanks LVB We're hoping that this peg will work so well that we might have our 'old' Emme back within a few days! Can't wait to see her in the morning - her sisters won't believe it - they haven't played together (or hardly spoken) for about 6 weeks, so it'll be lovely tomorrow.

Chesticles Hello! Twin boys sounds lovely :) How old are they? My triplets are 2.6 and fwiw, I hate those bloody 'arching' strops! It makes life so hard! When mine have got to that point, I know there is nothing I can do - all I can do is completely ignore, although even that sends them off on one!
Thank you for the message - has definitely been a tough few weeks, but after the last few days I'm actually feeling really positive and now I know everythings going to be okay :)

P.s congrats Auntie Tarti - what is your brand new DN called? Bet you can't wait to go and see them both this weekend!

Just been watching one born every minute. Unfortunately H's birth was a lot like the forceps delivery.all seems so long ago now!

kate the boys are 20 months now. And dd1 is 4 years. Boys are fun, but surprisingly different to girls. They are SO physical.

LVB let us know how you get on at church

Got an appt through yesterday for j's next hearing check and speach therapy - on friday! I love the nhs

One born every minute Jesus Wept!

I've just had to pour a large glass of wine, I'm in shock, horrendous is not the word! If I ever have any more it's CS all the way!

OOOOOOOUUUUUUUCH!!!!!
That has put me RIGHT OFF (as if I needed putting off...)
Poor bloody woman.
Chesti didn't realise you'd had such an ordeal

Makes me v grateful for my fairly easy, quick births! Just goes to show though, just cos you've given birth, you don't necessarily understand what it can be like.

Are you practricing your singing Lavita? Can't beat a resounding hymn (well, Ok...)

Haha Chesti - go NHS! Can you make it? Bet it'll be months for the next one if you can't . Interesting about boys / girls. Wonder if we'll see the same? Or if birth order will make a difference? Dd has def worked out that similing at someone across a crowded room will get their attention but that is the limit of her talent atm....

Sounds like a plan Tarti. & good on you for not spoiling sis's `easy baby' joy. I don't think I had that with the boys ds2 so was a bit fooled when dd slept so much in the first 24hrs. Not that she's been bad since, but we didn't have it quite as cracked as we thought....

I don't know how ANY of you can watch that programme, I've never so much as set eyes on it - I think I must be phobic of childbirth as if my insistence on a CS from day one wasn't evidence enough

Kate - so sorry to hear about your poor daughter. Hoping you all had a peaceful night and that with this new treatment she can start to be her old self again.

Funny when the girls were born they did sleep constantly but I think so many people had freaked me out about Having Twins that I was under no illusion that eyebags wouldn't be a permanent feature on my face.

Still having major wobbles about the house and have to say it's looking increasingly likely we're going to pull out. I don't know whether I'm coming or going really, all over the place with thinking about it all, but all I can find are lots of good reasons for staying put (at least just for now) and the only big reason for taking the plunge and going for it is that it's a lovely house. Thanks to tarti and LVB for the FB chats... watch this space.

Right, can hear cots rattling upstairs and shouts of "OPEN DE DOOR!" - best release the scamps :)

I didn't watch OBEM but I heard they broke the babies clavicle?!
My 'midwife friend' said that they rarely, rarely do this and she can't wait to see if there will be an 'outcry' about it... seems so cruel - the poor baby :(

kate, how is poorly dt? Have been thinking of her today, and hoping she had a bit more energy to play with her sisters.

I managed to get tomorrow off work so I can look after d and h whilst dh takes j to the hearing/speach clinic. Will be interesting to see what they say as he isn't very vocal at all compared to d and we're not sure how much that is to do with his cleft.

Chesti Our little Emme is back! She slept for a whopping 16 hours last night and woke up as though nothing has happened in the last 6 months!
She walked downstairs (can't remember the last time she did this), got to the bottom step and announced 'I'm here!' - again, apart from yesterday, she hasn't had the energy to even talk for about 5 weeks.
We cannot believe how well this PEG is working - I don't care if she has to have this for a few years, its bloody brilliant!
E also got new medicines since being in hospital, and as they're so gross - they can just be 'popped' into her peg too! Life is so easy
We can't thank the Dr's enough - they were so quick to act on everything, and were just brilliant. Love for the NHS!

Other 2 DTrips found it really strange to have #3 around again!

Sorry to hear you've got to take one of your DT's to clinic tomorrow - really hope that you can get some answers for his lack of speech. Let us know how he gets on, and hope that he has a nice nurse too!
Emme is going to have to be assessed because of how far, developmentally, she is behind her sisters - we've really noticed, since becoming ill, how behind she is compared to other DT's.

Wow, such fantastic news Kate!

Chesti I hope tomorrow's appointment is productive for you all. Will be interesting to hear what they say.

Lottie at the wobbles.

Great news Kate - you must have been thrilled to see her walk down the stairs this morning :) Here's to continuing improvement.

Good luck too for tomorrow Chesti...xxx

That's fab Kate! Go Emme - she must be loving the boost it's given her, poor sausage.

Good luck today Chesti. Glad you managed to make arrangements at such short notice!

I'm sorry you're having house wobbles Lottie & you manage to come to a decision soon.

Boys thankfully back to their usual selves today tho still sloppy-bummed. As was dd this morning which I was pretty gutted about. I've tried sooo hard to keep her from getting it & thought we'd managed.

Ds1 got' his first joke' last night. They had ice cream for dessert so I was saying I screeeam... aaaaargh' & he thought it hilarious. Kept pointing to the ice cream saying ice cream........ I screeeeaaam aaaarghh' . Was very funny!

Hello. First appearance on this thread, have been reading but feeling a bit about joining in when I only have static babies and not toddlers. I am so correct and formal sometimes!

On which note, how do you do Kate. My hat is permanently doffed to you managing with 5 children including triplets, including one with a chronic condition (I just have b/g twins coming up to a year old). You are awesome. It sounds as if you have had a terrible time with Emme just recently but how brilliant that the peg has had such an instant effect! It must have been so emotional to see her back to her old self after what sounds like a really long and worrying spell of lethargy and weakness. Poor little mite, I do hope she has turned a significant corner and will go from strength to strength now, and be able to join in with her sisters.

ALL how are your three now? There is not one thing funny about D&V, it's just misery on a stick. Hope they are all firm of stool again and you are getting a bit of time off from mopping up.

Congrats on auntihood tarti. Poor your sis with the tearing. My god, I watched OBEM and couldn't believe what I was seeing - that poor couple and their baby! It wouldn't have been long ago that that would have meant death to both mum and baby (and no doubt in many countries still does). Just ghastly. So glad she had a spinal! Was your first really that bad too Chesti? You were brave going back for a second (and third). Hope all was positive at J's speech therapy appt.

Lottie how is the soul searching about the house going? I hope you can get to a position you and DH are both happy with and feel free of emotional pulls one way or the other. House buying is such an exhausting business.

LVB how is the school thinking progressing? Have you brushed up your catechism and Sunday best? What's got you panicking about school now, may I ask? Is it something people generally think about early or has someone scared you about waiting lists etc? I have given such things zero thought, dealing with nursery seems like enough for now!

I'm into my last couple of weeks of mat leave now. The twins start their settling in sessions at nursery in 10 days and we have started forking out fistfuls of cash for that (I can't even think about how much of my salary will be gobbled up!). I took them to a soft play place yesterday oh the humanity and shan't bother again until they are considerably more skilled. I had expected a ball pool or something but there was awfully little that was suitable for babies. It just made for a morning where i had to change nappies and give them lunch somewhere far less convenient than home. And it screwed up lunchtime nap too because the 10 mins they got in the car rendered them unwilling/able to drop off again at home! Magic!

But they are truly gorgeous at the moment (no doubt because I am about to abandon them and go back to work). Lots of laughing, cuddles, babbling, bopping and, for once, no illness. DH and I are going out for dinner with friends tomorrow night - got a babysitter and hope this attempt is a thousand times more successful than the last when I had to send her home after 10 mins with full pay while I cleaned up puke!

Thank you Tarti Lotti and ALL Sounds silly Lottie, but watching her walk down the stairs was very emotional! A whole huge weight had come off my shoulders, knowing that she is improving!
ALL - she bloody loves the 'magic juice' (thank you nurse ) and I don't think she can believe that she can actually do something, finally!

That was a lovely post Cerubina thank you!
Firstly though, you haven't just got twins - a singleton is bloody hard work, let alone twins! So give yourself the credit that you deserve woman! Plus, IMO static babies are harder than toddlers - you have to get every single thing for them - if a toy is slightly out of reach, they will scream until you fetch it for them. But once they can move around, they become so much more independent and will want to do everything for themselves. You can also send them off to do little jobs for you

You're right about Emme - has been strangely emotional to watch her do things that she hasn't done for months. Even just refusing to hold my hand - standing there pouting and shaking her head; we've not seen her out of the buggy in months! (when we're out that is, she doesn't live in a buggy!)
I suppose normally with illnesses, it isn't long until you see them starting to get a bit better - but with this she has just got progressively worse. Well, until now - she has clearly turned a corner! Hoping she will put on weight quickly, she is still scarily small.

Your little DT's sound lovely :) It must be lovely having 1 of each, are they very similar in what they are currently doing?
FWIW, I bet they will love nursery - I know that in some ways you don't want them to like it, because you want to be at home with them; but it will put your mind at ease when you see how happy they are there.
Every time we go to Soft Play, it turns out to be a nightmare and vow never to go again - but I still do! Mine normally wedge themselves into a piece of equipment that hasn't been designed to have small children wedged in, and get completely stuck. Then I have to wrestle my way through other small children to drag DD's out.
We have also had to 'evacuate' the whole Soft play area numerous times because of angel DD's..
Dressing them similar is a total no-no when going there too, I will count the same DD five times over before realizing they aren't dressed the same (and I've lost 2/3 DDs) Fun times