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Why are Londoners so child un-friendly ??

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unhappyinlondon · 14/07/2005 21:01

I have become so frustrated with trying to make friends with other parents since my DS was born that I thought I would try and may be find some answers on this website.

DS is now 13 months old and despite numerous attempts to find friends, companions, coffee mates, etc. by various means (this website, other websites, toy libraries, NCT, etc) I have totally failed.

I am a very extroverted, happy, smiley individual with an absolutely adorable, gorgeous, smiley and happy 13 month old son. So what's wrong ?

Two recent experiences, I went to a baby birthday party at the invitation of a mother I had met through this website who had her own established mother & baby group - DH, DS and I arrived all happy and jolly thinking we would all have a good time. The hostess greets us, shows us the kitchen, says help yourself to drinks and that's that. She doesn't even bother to introduce us to her husband or parents, DH, DS and I are left sitting in a corner, no one talks to us, people stare at our baby, and that's that. We feel so uncomfortable we leave after 10 mins. flat.

Second example, I went to a local toy library, a well-known and popular one frequented by many local mums with babies and toddlers, no one talks to us, although I try to open up conversations with a few of the mothers, one mother nearly treads on DS's little fingers while he is crawling, and then looks down towards him in total horror as though it's his fault for getting in the way. DS tries to grab another mother's handbag from a chair (he does the same to my hand bag at home, loves to pull everything out and then put them back inside again). I stop son from grabbing woman's handbag and I look at her and say jokingly with a huge smile "he loves handbags" - she looks back at me with a horrid angry face as though DS has done something awful - he is only 13 months old for God's sake !

I have lived in the UK and another European country since 1977. I have lived in London for over 14 years. I have a British passport and so does DS. We are white caucasians (sorry to bring up the subject of race) and I have a "posh" British accent due to private education here in the UK. I live in an affluent part of London, i.e. I am just trying to say that physically and in other respects we do not stand out from our London neighbours.

But experiences like these since DS was born make me feel like an outcast. I have made two relatively good friendships with women from my ante natal clases, but due to travel distance I hardly ever see them now.

I am so unhappy, I keep planning to leave the UK for somewhere more child friendly. But DH has work commitments here and this fact stops us from leaving.

Does anyone else have similar experiences ??

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Meanoldmummy · 11/01/2006 20:28

Not to mention their tennis partners

stinkweasel · 11/01/2006 20:29

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chicagomum · 11/01/2006 20:40

I think the thread title is wrong. IMO a Londoner is someone who lives in London, but clearly the gripe is with specific cultural/ethnical/financial types living in the greater london vacinity.

ladbrokegrove · 11/01/2006 21:23

d'you know what I would argue that London is more friendly than the suburbs due to the ethnic mix. Especially when you have a small baby. I also think you get out of the city what you put into it. I think it's fair comment that English Londoners are perhaps not too friendly but I think that's just logistics- when you live in a city this big you can't be friendly to everyone. But a hell of a lot of Londoners arent from a big city environment- they're from poland, Nigeria, Iran, Ghana, France,Algeria- they might be more inclined to be friendly to the op?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 11/01/2006 22:03

Chicagomum - cant believe how rude the OP was to you!

Are you busy Friday?

blueshoes · 11/01/2006 22:03

I am a Londoner not from UK. I find it much easier to connect with non-English Londoners. I love the diversity in London. Still haven't found any mums to hang out with, though. Ante-natal group did not click. So FWIW agree that OP and Heybaby are not imagining it.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 11/01/2006 22:04

oh - and i agree with Twig and chicagomums analysis

nooka · 11/01/2006 22:21

Well I am a Londoner born and - well actually not bred. A South Londoner to be precise, and I think that I am very friendly! I don't think that London as a city is particularly friendly, because people are often very stressed with commuting etc - I am often struck with how much less stressful the atmosphere is outside of London - but then that's when I am on holiday, so I am less stressed IYSWIM. I don't think that anyone should assume that they are going to make bosom friends at mother and baby groups. Many many people (from all over the place) have said that they are often clicky and unsupportive. To make friends I think that you need to go and do things together with other people - simply having children of a similar age is just not enough to make a connection. I have found it very dificult to make friends when I have been trying, and have often made friends when I haven't "mean't" to at all. It's all down to luck really - go to enough places for long enough and eventually you will click with someone. At least in London you get a lot of choice - in smaller communities if you burn your bridges in one place there's a good chance you won't get a second chance.

KBear · 11/01/2006 22:33

I'm a Londoner and I'm LUVLY and friendly . I experienced the cold shoulder at baby groups too but I persevered for my child's sake. Didn't make any firm friends but still went and chatted randomly to anyone and didn't expect to meet a soulmate.

"If you want a friend you have to be one", my mum told me!!!

HeyBaby · 11/01/2006 23:17

I wouldn't say that I've experienced "the cold shoulder". At every group there are always people to talk to and share experiences with; however it's never very nice when you are with people and they make you feel excluded whether it's blatant or just inadvertant eg talking about activities/outings or organising things as a group (in front of you)when you are not part of that group! eg Chicagomum's experience (below).

I know that you can't invite everyone to everything and I certainly didn't go with the expectation of meeting bosom buddies or soul mates! Having said that, I did think it would be nice to meet some people who are in a similar situation to bounce things off and obtain reassurance that the baby phenomena happening each day is "normal"! It does of course take time to get to know people (and in a way that's part of the fun) but it certainly makes it a lot more difficult when people make it obvious from the outset that they already have their own "group" established and that you are not a part of it.

There are always new mums who turn up to the groups and I try to make them feel included because of my past experiences. Hoping to break the vicious cycle but maybe it is just some kind of motherhood rite of passage ....

spacedonkey · 11/01/2006 23:18

I moved to London from a provincial town and I find it far friendlier and more tolerant in London

M&T groups are cliquey wherever you go aren't they?

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