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I'm dying to grass up the benefit cheats living next to me but..

301 replies

ssd · 20/09/2008 20:47

..dh won't let me as they have 3 kids and he feels its unfair on the kids

they are the laziest young couple I've ever met, she told me she can't afford to work as she is getting so much paid for her by claiming to be a single mum, but her partner (kids dad) work on the side so they have that money coming in too

they seem to spend all their money on takeaway deliveries, about 3 a week, but sod all on their kids who come chapping my door every day trying to get in to play with our toys, and probably for a feed as they get their takeaways about half nine at night

we both work here, I'm part time on minimum wage and she actually told me what she "clears" a month and with income support, job seekers and rent paid she's better off than us bith working

I'm heartily sick of seeing them swanning about, she always seems to have new clothes and their car is much better than ours, her mu mtakes the kids at weekends so they can go out and party, she told me they can afford to go out every Sat and they lie in bed all Sunday till the kids are delivered back to them

I'm so bitter, I'm sick of the injustice

should I go ahead and tell social services and let dh go mad or just let them live their dishonest life and shut up? I really don't know what to do

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expatinscotland · 21/09/2008 21:27

it's illegal, daft.

benefits cheating is illegal.

for good reason, then everyone gets tarred with the same brush. just look at all the threads on here - they're all scroungers, bring back the workhouse mentality, etc.

that's why i have no problem with grassing cheats, regardless of my situation.

Megglevache · 21/09/2008 21:28

Grass them up. Thieving bastards.

daftpunk · 21/09/2008 21:30

yes expat i know it's illegal

but there are two things people i mix with never are...that's a grass or a scab.

and before you ask..of course id report murders/rape/ etc...im talking about benefit/tax/ fraud.

expatinscotland · 21/09/2008 21:33

a thief's a thief in my book.

peole like that make everyone on benefits targets for 'reform' that's going to leave a lot of people destitute.

FAQ · 21/09/2008 21:33

you don't need to mix with 'em - just pick up the phone - they won't know it was you

daftpunk · 21/09/2008 21:36

FAQ...it would leave a mark on my soul....

you know i'd rather be known as an annoying wanker on here and in rl (which i probably am) than a spineless grass

Tortington · 21/09/2008 21:37

thank you wisp, i think you just made my point. that it isn't ' all that and a cherry on top' to be on benefits.

you have your own home - which will be an asset to your children when you die, giving them a helping hand that benefit claiments children will not.

in general there are also hidden benefits to working

statistically it is easier to got from a job to a job. job mobility is easier when you are emploed

there is job progression - even for a shelf stacker

there is the training that most companies have - customer care, first aid, how to use the pc packages.

there are in larger companies other HR benefits. some have subsidised gym membership for instance. Some activley encourage further training and subsidise it.

there is the pension you pay into

there is the confidence to get

the social skills
the camraderie of your workmates

the other skills that you learn that you can put on your cv.

FAQ · 21/09/2008 21:41

"There is absolutely no way I would (voluntarily) put my kids through losing their home."

We're coming from opposite ends to meet in the middle I think (sort of) - you see if I went back to work now, I'd be worse off, I couldn't afford to live here, I'd have to move my children out of their home...

Money/housing/bills - who bloody wants 'em - I reckon we should all club together and put in whatever we've got (whether it's a couple of pence or £££££'s) and buy a desert island somewhere - then we can do our own thing and be totally self sufficient - with no taxes to pay or mortgages/rent to think about

whispywhisp · 21/09/2008 21:58

At the end of the day, I'm glad I've got my own home. Yes it is an investment for my kids and yes I'm glad we are able to afford to keep it, at the moment. But who knows what the future brings? Fortunately DH is in a good job but who knows whether he will be in that same 'good job' in a few months time? He could be like many others and out of a job. Our mortgage rate could go sky high. I could be out of a home and living somewhere waiting to earn enough points to get a Council house/HA house because obviously I've got zero points at the moment. I would hate to put my kids through the upheaval of it all but I know for a lot of parents they have no other option.

I'm actually quite proud of the fact we've got our own home. Despite all our problems with money we have never defaulted on our mortgage and that's saying something when we've been so close to our overdraft limit on a regular basis.

Obviously it annoys me, like loads of MNrs on here, when we read and see on the news that Mr and Mrs claim £30k a year on benefits with 11 kids living in two properties knocked together paid for by the Government....why doesn't he work? Why doesn't she work? Because they choose not to. That's why. Why should they? To be honest I don't blame them actually because they would be worse off if they did go to work and wouldn't earn £30k between them and manage to fund their own home so good luck to them. If the Government are stupid enough to pay for people like that to live the way they do then its the Governments fault, not theirs.

nappyaddict · 22/09/2008 00:25

FAQ - i understand your predicament entirely. lone parents with school age children ideally need a job that fits around these hours. the only way you can do this really is by working in a school/nursery/preschool/children's centre type setting. there just aren't that many jobs in schools for everyone. however have you looked on your local lea website for job vacancies in school? they don't put them on the job centre website afaik.

denbury · 22/09/2008 00:44

shop them and let the money go to people who really need it

Original poster
ssd · 22/09/2008 07:44

daftpunk, you logic bewilders me

we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

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daftpunk · 22/09/2008 08:31

ssd;
i'm not sure why i bewilder you..i think iv'e been quite clear on this.

iv'e said it's wrong that a system allows some people on benefits to be better off than if they worked..that's crazy. but most people iv'e known on benefits are living a pretty miserable life. it's not just about money, they have no goals, nothing to aim for.

rich people play the system ssd, they just do it via their tax returns. lot's of people in work screw the system, they "throw sickies" cost's the country millions.
it's just all i see on here is people moaning about benefit cheats who are in the main, all poor.

if i was running the country the minimum wage would be £30 an hour and no one would be better off on benefits (if they were able to work) .....but i'd never grass anyone up.

daftpunk · 22/09/2008 08:33

but yeah, let's end this and agree to disagree.

Original poster
ssd · 22/09/2008 09:34

I do know rich people play the system daftpunk

I do know most people on benefits are in a desperate position (as I said earlier, I've been on benefits myself)

And I do know many people, including the couple I'm refering to in my opening post, are milking the system dry at the expense of everyone else

I still don't know whether to phone social services, but your arguement actually makes me want to grass them up even more

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nappyaddict · 22/09/2008 09:38

It's not social services you have to ring is it? Isn't it DWP?

BrianBrain · 22/09/2008 09:39

you can do it online.

daftpunk · 22/09/2008 09:48

you just don't get me do you ssd;

i'm not saying what they're doing isn't wrong

it's whether you're prepared to grass them up?

i never would.......you will

and tbh..the amount of slimey grasses on this thread is making me sick

expatinscotland · 22/09/2008 09:57

'and tbh..the amount of slimey grasses on this thread is making me sick'

i feel pretty sickened at slimey folks who cheat knowing it makes everyone else look like a lazy scrounger.

whispywhisp · 22/09/2008 09:59

daftpunk...slimey grasses? Oh dear. I think its time you said goodbye to this thread cos you've certainly got it wrong on here.

If someone is claiming benefits dishonestly it is thieving. No one is saying that living on benefits equals being poor. No one is saying that working for your living equals being rich. Either way we all find it tough. But if someone is claiming and receiving money they are not entitled to that is thieving. But, like I've said before, it is up to the Government of this Country to sort this out. This Country provides benefits for those in prison, for those who come to live in this country who have absolutely no intentions of working here and we provide homes etc for them too and for kids leaving school who choose not to work either. This Country is too damn soft and it'll never get any better.

daftpunk · 22/09/2008 10:07

omg...ww, i know all that, i agree with you.

it's whether you would grass someone up? and your own neighbour in this case??

no i wouldn't.

nervousal · 22/09/2008 10:12

why not? Apart from not wanting to be a "slimy grass" - why not?

whispywhisp · 22/09/2008 10:15

Yes I would daftpunk because its my DH who is paying their benefits in the form of his huge amount of income tax he pays each month.

daftpunk · 22/09/2008 10:20

nervousal.....it's just a code i live by..you know, from birth...it's just not the done thing where i come from. if you're a grass your lower than a rattlesnakes belly....i will never change. i wouldn't grass up a benefit cheat or a multi-millionair...nobody!

but i seem to be annoying everyone, so im outta here.

thanks for talking to me normally nervousal.

FAQ · 22/09/2008 10:20

sorry - how did benefits for immigrants come into this?

Aslyum seekers get only a tiny amount of benefits - certainly a lot less that Joe Bloggs from East London would be entitlted to. . Once granted refugee status (which can take years in many cases) - then they are allowed to work. There are many skilled Aslyum seekers in this country, with skills that the UK could do with right now, sat there living below the bread line when they would dearly LOVE to be working.

They (if they are lucky enough to be given housing - many at shoved into appalling detention centres such as Yarls Wood) are not given decent housing, i n many councils around the UK they are housed in the worst council places going - the type that 99.99% of the population needing housing in this country would turn down because of it's dreadful condition. Of course then there are the many Aslyum seekers who end up living on the streets, homeless.

Anyone else who comes here to work (unless from the EU - I think......) is NOT allowed to claim benefits.

You can't just come here from 99.99% of the countries around the world, expect to be let in, not work, and claim benefits. It doesn't happen.

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