BOTWATCH 93! The latest in a long running anti MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

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New thread, welcome one and all

Omg thick as mince 🤣🤣
When are we going to get laughing reactions, we deffo need them on this thread!

Yawn's car crash (not her business) has been further embellished, first time I've heard these additional dramatic extras from her Insta stories. Car crushed into a little ball, went down an embankment, cut out by fire brigade and then air lifted by air ambulance! I'm sure we have never been regaled by these facts before. It does sound terrifying if true but normally she just goes on about the aloe dissolving her facial scars that she received.

“Hello I’m 2Jags, now you’ve made the mistake of giving me your contact details expect a lot of Spam®️”. (sorry, not as good as the “thick as mince” or “porkies” comments). I am feeling the need to think of better quality meat based jokes, mainly to distract myself from work.

As for Yawn, she wheels out her car accident with various levels of embellishment on a fairly regular basis. Whatever happened I am sure it was a horrible experience and I have never understood why she would then go on to record herself travelling at speed with no seatbelt at all. Seeing those clips left me thinking that perhaps her car accident wasn’t as dramatic as she wants people to believe.

We don’t see those driving clips as she doesn’t go anywhere and I think Mr Yawn is at work most of the time. The way Yawn presents herself has really altered quite a lot. Her world is shrinking all the time and so is her reach. No need or opportunity to go live in the car with or without a seatbelt. Dramatic tales of the accident are not enough to get anyone’s attention these days.

@Spongebobette 2jags bestie (I know exactly who she is) was 'recognised' at January's success day for reaching 'soaring manager' status - she has to have personally sponsored 5 people who achieved manager themselves, I think. So, the whole time she was standing on that stage, wearing her red sash and clutching her giant red heart balloon, telling us all about giving up her PT job, being a stay at home mummy and all the other usual nonsense, she was lying!! She's at least been working back there since 2021, if she ever left. She was also at the "you have no shame" event with headband, no doubt spouting the same shit!. My god, there really is no end to it, is there? I don't know how they dare. I mean, decent, honest people just don't behave that way.

I know, is she going for the sympathy vote again?

And there you have it. The back pain has nothing to do with car crash but the result of weak core. I would have thought that her PT course would have covered this area. I’m voting for her back pain being due to doing an accelerated correspondence course in lifting weights. Lack of technique and rushed sets will do that to your back.

That level of detail has never been shared before, I’m sure of it

she wheels out the car crash story at intervals; soon we’ll have the ‘surviving bullying/ internet trolls’ one.

Followed by the ‘childminder about to lose her house and unable to pay the bills’ one

oh and the ‘husband’s cancer diagnosis’ one

Groundhog Day

Please don't tell me they have a level called 'soaring manager'?!!! Omg I am imagining her flying in on some sort of wire like a fairy in a pantomime complete with wings and sash, FL trainers and waving a yellow suitcase full of out of date alloe shite.

Please don't tell me they have a level called 'soaring manager'?!!! Omg I am imagining her flying in on some sort of wire like a fairy in a pantomime complete with wings and sash, FL trainers and waving a yellow suitcase full of out of date alloe shite.

Ooh it posted twice?!

I’ve been watching all her enthusiastic weightlifting and thinking to myself it’s a matter of time till she hurts herself

I’m fairly sure Yawn said she’d recruited a physio as a new PT client too, I take it that this is another non paying client and in exchange has agreed to give her a few physio tips. She’s carrying on as though she’s getting a luxurious deep tissue massage, every physio session I’ve had, have been focused on identifying the problem and then a list of exercises to try and improve strength and mobility.

Yawn is excellent at telling 'porkies'. Get the theme of the day? Not half as funny as thick as mince though.

I agree with you both that this is far more likely a deadlifting technique issue rather than a car crash nearly 30 years

Oops just seen porkies above, sorry!

May I join in welcoming you to this long standing mumsnet MLM thread, now on 93 (each thread has a maximum of 1000 comments), @Fearless31.

The first thread, sometime in 2016 I believe, was a one-off question from a woman who had watched her friend's behaviour become bizarre after joining an MLM. The first thread begat a second, a third and eventually we put numbers on each thread to keep in order.

Forever Living became a regular feature because the behaviour of the bots became so outrageous, the lies and deceit stark and shocking. Sadly, these lies were believed by (mostly) women who were hoodwinked into "buying a box" in their thousands.

Castle is a particular favourite, she moved into a home which had been renovated on a very popular TV home renovation programme. She strongly implied that she had bought it with money made from FL. I still kick myself that I did not screenshot the facebook message she posted boasting of this (she took it down after pushback and question, later posting an amended message stating that "she was renting to see if it fitted their family" or words to that effect). Anyway, one of the mumsnet MLM watchers did a bit of digging and found the owners of the property. The property was indeed for sale, by THEM. We reckon Castle/FL did a deal to rent the property until it was sold by the owners. At the time, Castle was the "golden girl" of FL and attracted a lot of new sign-ups, she was so inspiring .

The thread continues because there are many MLM companies springing up with the focus to exploit the vulnerable. It is cruel and evil imo that this business model is still popular today, though thankfully much less so that it was.

There’s us definitely a YouTube video somewhere hidden in the depths of time of Bruv lounging in the garden of the ‘castle’ and saying look what my sister has been able to buy by working with FL (or heavily implying it)

the lies go back a long way

Ah

search for ‘a day in the life of Firstname Surname’ (Castle) to see a video from 11 years ago where she shows off where she lives and implies FL got her there - from a 2 bed house - in 21 months
Flashy cars in the drive too

no hint that it was rented or that the ‘enormous growth’ in her business was due to timing, downlines being funnelled to her or a huge loan from her dad enabling her to buy her way to the bonuses

Bruv didn’t imply that Forever Living enabled his sister to buy the so-called castle (which is actually a renovated folly featured on Grand Designs): he actually said that. I remember it well. Castle didn’t do anything to dispel the illusion.

Yawn must be desperate for attention (again). She’s told so many lies about that car crash. Yawn’s previous nickname was Browbot because of her well-defined eyebrows. She claimed she was being bullied about her eyebrows by people online (i.e Botwatchers) which, in her view, was out of order as she said they were torn off when she was involved in a serious car crash. A few weeks later she told one of her disciples on Facebook that the reason her natural eyebrows were so thin was because she’d over-plucked them. I’m surprised she hasn’t claimed the Air Ambulance was involved in a desperate search for eyebrows which had flown off on impact and were last seen over the River Severn in pursuit of a Soaring Eagle / Flappy Pigeon.

@HotAsSatansBalls I well remember Bruv's youtube video where he didn't just imply his sister had bought the castle, he baldly stated she did. I wrote a response underneath the video calling him a liar and saying what really happened. The video (and comment) disappeared. These people were and still are today, shameless. I am so here for their eventual downfall.

I'm glad you mentioned about the eyebrows being torn off and then her saying a few months later she over plucks them, I remember thinking at the time ooh you little fibber! She seems to wheel out the bullying/car crash/cancer/massively in debt stories every few months or so, ususally as a distraction or to get people to join/sign up out of sympathy, we've seen this played out hundreds of times over the years, like you say it's groundhog day, I'm sure she thinks people have got the memory of a goldfish!

i sometimes feel a bit sorry for the Castle elders as they seem to spend their lives attending to their children’s whims

but Castle and Bruv both lie so fluently and easily about every ‘business’ they get involved with and have exploited people shamelessly….

…and seem to have no morals at all.or no compunction about sharing children’s private moments on social media (in Bruv’s case also deliberately embarrassing anyone including his parents by secretly filming and posting)…

so I cannot but think they are a product of their upbringing

Castle’s mother loves laughing at other peoples misfortunes and making videos screeching ‘great boy xxx, great breathing xxx’ or other similarly banal compliments.

Castle’s dad just seems a quiet man, who keeps the show on the road for them all. He’s the one I feel sorry for. He works so hard while castle and her husband spend like it’s going out of fashion.

i wonder how much money is left from the sale of their house or has castle burned through it all ye. Their mobile home has a finite life and they’re quite young too. There is no more private school for the eldest castle

The accounts are due soon so we will see how healthy her bank accounts are

Headband has a cunning plan to deflect from the recent bullying shenanigans

focus on cancer!

Yawn appears to be now flogging more FL shite. Now its chewy tablets to take away the hunger pains. Obv its the 'message me for details' bollocks and only 25p per tablet and you can take 8 a day. SO I googled the description and of course its Forever Sensatiable.