BOTWATCH 93! The latest in a long running anti MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

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New thread, welcome one and all

i wonder if they actually met through FL?

Like Homeschool and Weird Willy

Welcome oh Fearless One! I am so so proud of you for speaking out! We all know Headband is a piece of work - any hint of criticism is blasted as trolling, bullying, etc etc. She blocked me of Facebook, but I watch her on Instagram - she generally only posts stories which disappear.

Of all the MLM's FLP is the absolute worst IMHO, they can all get in the bloody bin as far as im concerned. These "business owners" play at their silly little business because they are too vain to actually work a proper job (with all the security that comes with it, you know, like a wage, a pension).

Unfortunately, I've also been MLM scarred too, but we live and learn, and on this thread we listen and we don't judge (unless you're a bot, in which case we definitely do judge!)

It appears that headband joined Fl first. Then they met outside of Fl. She recruited him as she was his upline. But she was only in it a very short time before they met.

His posts were so OTT with enthusiasm and excitement. Hinting they got their home due to working for FL within a few months.

TWO yellow suitcases! Oh that is funny! Bet they arw crammed with aloe gloop she had to buy to keep her imaginary income going.

@notgettinganyyounger the red one always does the driving. Headbands car is 12 years old and in a right state.
I'm definitely not as sorry for her as I was before she posted that photo. That was a really nasty thing to do. It was what made me contact TLC, though, and the article has left her totally exposed.

@YouOKHun now that is interesting that she hasn't posted any FL stuff. Not like her at all. I can't see anything she does on socials anymore. I think I might be blocked. Can't think why 😂 Some of my friends were tracking her but she blocked them too.

Good for you @Fearless31. Headbrat as l call her blocked me way back. I'm thrilled she's been exposed.

@MrsDilligaf thank you. I'm happy to be here. Yes, headband really is a piece of work.

@notgettinganyyounger I was there at the 'Success' day (they are hilarious) when she was meant to collect the 2nd one. She wasn't. She was too busy throwing up with a stomach bug and couldn't go. And, yes, they are full of the garbage products. She has a special bag for the aloe gloop bottles, that she got for reaching another incentive. I am happy to say that I never once went for one of their stupid incentives. I think that really annoyed her.

I expect headband has been advised to lie low on Fl for a few days and just posts lots of happy family stuff in order to lose the bully post further down her timeliness. Then I bet it disappears,and she will be back with her usual C9 crap and off she goes again.

@Fearless
Now that IS funny about the success day and thst she has another special bag. We are so pleased to have you here as ww do love to get the inside story straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

You shall have to regale us with the inside story of a success day when you have time!

@notgettinganyyounger oh, I will, but for now I am going to say, it has been a beautiful thing finding all of you, and now I am going to bed. Night night 💚

Night night xx

@Fearless31 I’m so proud of you for escaping the Forever Living cult and knocking the wind out of Headband’s overinflated sails: sounds like she’s little more than a common or garden con artist (with a mop). MLM shills always cry bully and play the victim card when faced with questions arising from critical thinking and thorough research. You must be made of tough stuff to have held this shower of shite to account and I hope the TLC article rattles a few cages at both ends of the pyramid.

Welcome to the threads! Please tell us more about the alleged “Success” days - they look a bit like sweaty cult rallies.

I‘m old enough to remember the heyday of Forever Living, when Success Days were held at the Ricoh Arena and dozens and dozens of women paraded across the stage in ‘supervisor’ or ‘manager’ sashes in front of a packed, whooping audience.i think they were having these events every month at the height of the recruitment frenzy, when downlines were growing rapidly.

My friend, who became mesmerised by Homeschool, was one of them, and photos of her were all over her social media, looking thrilled and feeling special as she had her name announced, shook hands with the country manager and got her sash. FL always had photographers there taking great looking shots and the bots felt famous and ‘recognised’ (I was taken aback when I kept reading the word ‘recognised’ as it seemed so weird ‘I never got recognised in my JOB’ )

They all had to pay to attend, of course, plus all expenses, and FL flogged them lots of product and merch while they were there (Weird Willy confessed in one video that he could hardly afford to go to a Success Day and went to talk about how brilliantly his business was doing)

They also had to listen to higher up bots telling their ‘story’ (childminder to 6 figure earner/ corporate career to time freedom and willable income/ replaced income and sacked the boss in 2 weeks)

’Sack the boss’ - that’s another telltale phrase along with ‘retire my husband’ and ‘laptop lifestyle’ . ‘Fell in love with the products’ ‘be a product of the products’ too. I remember Uber’s schtick was to tell the audience to get a black bin bag and go round the house and bin anything that could be replaced by a FL product. ‘Be your own best customer’
How obvious could it be that they just wanted bots to spend their own money!

All accompanied by loud music, flashing lights and compulsory whooping

I assume the current crop of bots who attend Success Days have no idea how times have changed as they go to an office block in Solihull on a Saturday and fill a few rows of chairs

I hope Forever Living continues to fail and I can’t wait till they call it a day in the UK

Sadly, Bloodsucker and others have seen this coming and have built new downlines in Africa - absolutely vile.

i note that the CEO and Chairman are travelling the world, making appearances at rallies to motivate the bots, even more so now there are no such events in the US

I am in awe of you @Fearless31. Bots are programmed to block anyone who disagrees with them, and those that are in deep are hard to get out. It's amazing seeing the support you're getting on your FB posts.

It definitely appeals to those who are easily impressed or have never been manager/supervisor and gives a bit of ‘kudos’ - I’m always amazed at the odd few ex corporate professionals who get roped in

Phase 2 of Headband’s recovery strategy - a post showing her team members on her screen in a photo that could have been taken a while ago - I wonder how many have seen the article? Also, vaguebook hashtag be kind post. Presumably she doesn’t need to follow this instruction herself. The wind is definitely out of her sails though.

Uber's current stories shows Tuesday team training I think Headband has recorded it from that. Uber in the recording hones in on 86 participants on the screen I think that is where Headband has lifted it from and then passes it off as 'her' team. Saddo. But I bet tbf that's probably what Uber has 'coached' them to do anyway.

I really don't understand how the Borings can be brazen enough to be at the success day when they have had to relinquish their property, are living on the bones of their arses in the middle of nowhere, one (not both?) is being sued by family and their shenanigans around opening businesses in different names only to backfill the positions with themselves again is publicly available information. What on earth is successful about that? How do their downlines not know any of this? How do FL let them continue to be flaunted and celebrated? I genuinely don't get it.
Is there any way of finding out the decision from those courts or exactly what the suing documentation contained? I know there were other family members sucked in (from both sides) and I wonder if there were any additional parties to this. How would we find out if he tips in to bankruptcy and what would that mean for her and the companies? So many questions!

These bots are to be pitied

what on earth are they thinking, travelling to a ‘Success Day’ which they have to bloody well pay to attend, give up a Saturday and make a long expensive journey!!! All they’ll get is a few photos for their social media

@anonfortoday1 it takes cynical bot watchers who don’t take the Borings positioning of themselves as great successes to start digging and linking up scraps of publicly available information. The first clue was them claiming they’d been hacked back in June last year then changing their online behaviour.

A lot of the Borings ardent followers need the Borings’ success story to be true so don’t take their own blinkers off. The top bots and Forever Living bosses know full well but if those lower down the food chain have asked questions about the Borings’ quietness they will have been fed some convincing bullshit about restructuring and Mrs wanting to step up so she can “retire her husband”. It is really hard to fathom that people don’t see straight through the pair of them but there is a big well practised Solihull-based machine covering their tracks and distracting the bots for them.

I believe it’s possible to email the court to get some information about the case but probably not chapter and verse. If he is tipped into personal bankruptcy that may only be clear when it appears in the Gazette which might take a while. If he becomes bankrupt and continues to run/manage/promote the company with someone else as director then that’s a criminal offence. I believe it is also a criminal offence for Mrs to act as a director when she isn’t actually doing the running of the company.

If he is bankrupted the powers that be won’t be working off scraps of publicly available information and if he has shifted things about they will find out. I believe they will have the power to divert any earnings from FLP towards his creditors and also also examine the pattern of his business activities. The company that Mrs and his son are a director of was only formed in July as all the hearings kicked off so the timing of its formation would be questioned as it’s so clearly dodgy.

I know very little about bankruptcy thankfully and if I/we can see it for what it is an insolvency practitioner is going to see this as one of the easier jobs on his or her plate. I am sure you’re right that this has affected more than the in-laws. I think there is a brother who never mentions Mrs but I do wonder if the in-laws have wider backing and it’s hard to believe the Borings’ haven’t caused damage beyond the in-laws. If the in-laws win then we may see who else is in the queue behind them, other family and friends, associates, local businesses etc etc. Do you have insider knowledge?

I find it hilarious that all these ‘6 figure earners ‘ are posting for car shares!! Meanwhile without wishing to sound smug I am at a conference/networking event with H in the Algarve- covered off, no car share needed and no MLM needed and my goody bag actually has great stuff in it and no hassling of friends, relatives or a need to buy our own stuff to keep figures up plus free party tonight with open bar plus meal - these organisations really do need to be shut down - if it’s that great a product just act in an honest way and set up mail order , no ‘recruiting’ etc - all they are doing is encouraging people to fill their garages - it’s a huge scam

Hang on

you mean you’re not paying your own travel expenses, food and accommodation AND you don’t have to pay to attend????

incredible

I’m tempted to post under this request on the FBO page

‘can someone please direct me to the travelling expenses claim form? Can’t seem to locate it in the document store on Dropbox’