BOTWATCH 93! The latest in a long running anti MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

[Spongebobette]

New thread, welcome one and all

@Fearless31 do you think others in Headband’s’ downline are now aware, and waking up, or has she managed to throw such a tantrum that they’ve rallied round her?

@notgettinganyyounger
Thank you. She has some very vulnerable women in her team. She caught me when I was at a low point in my life. I'd been questioning the ingredients for a while and never got answers. The products are total garbage. Inferior quality sold at inflated prices. I started researching and putting the evidence together and here we are. I suspected headbands reaction would be defensive, but I wasn't expecting what she tried to do to me. She totally underestimated me. The reason why she took the posts and my pic down - I directly challenged the compliance team.

Lovely to have you here @Fearless31 and so much kudos to you for doing what you did

@Spongebobette
Red will definitely be on her side. She hangs on every word headband says. She is about to lose a significant amount of her retail, though. She does a lot of wellness events, (FL at wellness events is laughable) with one organiser, who has decided to take a year off next year. She did about 30 this year, taking between £100-£200 at each one. A few have definitely rallied around headband and wouldn't reply to me. I'm not sure about the others, but they will. There is literally no chance of making any money in our area.

Sadly, some will persevere despite the evidence mounting that there’s no money to be made

Wellness event organisers ought to do due diligence and find out about Forever Living - that’s it’s an MLM for a start, and definitely about the ingredients in the products

@ticktock19
Thank you. Once I found out what is really going on, I had no choice. I showed headband a lot of evidence, not just the 2 bits in the article. Her 'successful lifestyle' isn't quite as it seems. She does cleaning jobs to top up her income and that holiday in Morocco - Jet2, cheap as chips last minute deal. She shops at aldi and Primark. Nothing wrong with any of that, of course, as long as your not selling a life of luxury. She is brainwashed and probably not had an original thought for 13 years. Her response to the FTC report was "network marketing works 100% of the time for 100% of the people who are willing to put the work in".

There’s none so blind as those who will not see

@Spongebobette
Don't worry. I'm on it

The cognitive dissonance must be hard to manage though

she’s out of pocket every time she goes to Solihull

and a little voice must nag at her ‘why am I not making lots of money when I put every hour god sends into this?’

And surely her husband and family are not that daft. I knew she had to be topping up her income somehow! She has never publicly disclosed that she has another form of income. Nasty piece of work. I hope the vulnerable ladies in the team have someone to help 'see' what's happening. How can she live with herself. Vulnerable and people at their low points are typical targets. New mums who dread returning to work another target group. Awful as most people worry about money when they are on maternity leave. Despicable behaviour!

Her partner must ask questions sometimes, surely? When she’s away for the whole day unpaid, incurring petrol costs and the rest of it, and he can see she’s constantly recruiting people but not making a full time income?

I notice that in April 2024 Headband’s partner won c.£22.5K in some car related competition as well as long before that giving up Forever Living himself in order to earn some real money. It’s his job and other sources of non-FLP cash that keep her in her hobby and means she never really faces the facts. I do wonder if he sees money trickling away and his son’s private detail’s all over social media and would like her to stop messing around and starting doing a proper job with no earning diverted to prop up FLP? Presumably he has somewhat come to his senses as he never promotes her FLP endeavours or mentions it (though he ought to delete some of his old FLP content that has some claims that should not have been made and shouldn’t be visible years later).

Headband’s so daft that she only looks at the money coming in and the “generosity” of FLP in giving her the Aliexpress branded gift worth £5.99 in exchange for the £80 in fuel she probably spent to go and receive the plastic suitcase, (back in the days when her car was roadworthy) and she thinks it’s all profit.

Then there is all the sycophantic praise of the likes of Scamaloupolis who wouldn’t piss on her if she was on fire. The woman’s a Kool-aid suppling fool.

@Spongebobette I see where are both thinking the same thing about amr Headband!

You can see when she introduces her latest victim with such a positive spin, helping launch their business, building dreams, telling these ladies its part time aroubd the family. Then its your own fault when you don't recruit. Not working hard enough etc. My heart sinks every time because you just know it will end in tears.

Perhaps her downside have invested too much money to give up and keep going and hoping it will turn around.

These threads have been running for years and there is a lot to read back on. I came in at the start albeit several name changes over the years. You have been immensely brave speaking out and we love more than anything to welcome anyone who has been through the turmoil of mlm.

@YouOKHun I still laugh at the sheer joy of Headband being awarded the yellow suitcase and parading it at the airport or wherever it was on her next trip! How bloody cringe is that 🤣

I never knew Mr Headband was in FL

@Fearless31 good on you lovely - I’m sure everyone in the cult think's we are all nasty jealous bitches or similar , but many of us actually have businesses and professional careers and know there’s no such thing as a free lunch - it would be more honest to say, this can be a nice modest little bit of income but there’s no guarantee and you may spend more than you make , ‘regardless’ of how hard you work at it and oh yes, you have to pester your friends and family too , as making income off others sales is a big part of the deal - it’s more honest , but not nearly as appealing to some lovely women who often just want to find a bit of extra income that’s flexible so they can fit family in .

She never drives to any of the venues because the radiator on her car needs fixing. It's been that way at least for the time I've known her. As far as I can tell, her sister is the only one who sees through her and, of course, she's just 'jealous' and 'a hater', blah blah blah. She has 2 yellow suitcases because she lost her whole team (she's never really said why) before and had to build again. She has no friends outside of FL. She sees every person she meets as either a potential customer or a potential recruit. On her holiday, she 'made friends' with about 11 people, including the Jet2 check-in lady. She coaches on how to 'cultivate' those friendships. I called her out on this during that text message exchange and suggested that some people might call this grooming. I feel sorry for her, and, despite what she did to me, I really do hope that someone who cares about her takes a good look at the evidence and says that there might just be something to it.

@notgettinganyyounger yes he was in FLP and way back on his time line he has, among others, these two pictures. One with the rather bold claims that these days their senior managers have ti encourage in closed group trainings. The other meme is all about a scam he evidently rejoined!

@YouOKHun I didn't know that about him either. She has never mentioned it.

Just checked in on Yawn after a week or so to see if she’s got loads of clients turning up at the shed

Doesn’t look like it

Yawn asking for peeps to join her fitness lesson tomorrow. All you need is a fiver and 2 cans of baked beans! Nobody rushing to take up the offer...

@Fearless31 that is so interesting to hear. Wonder how she's been getting to all her venues. Now I know her husband gave it up that's even more interesting. You'd think he would delete any sign of it. Otherwise it doesn't fit the narrative of success when he had to return to his day job.

Remember not to feel too sorry for her. She called you 'vile' and posted a picture of you publicly. All just to play the victim, and get people to back her up. Very nasty.

I can see my images are going to go the same way as my recent clues!

@Fearless31 yes, long time ago. Back in 2014 he was the one slagging off legitimate employment as a scam/a pyramid scheme/what the sheep do 9-5 - he’s been back in legitimate employment for a decade all the same!

Headband hasn’t mentioned FLP for 4 days on FB which is unheard of. Just lots of posts of family and Mr Headband to reassure her audience she is positive and blessed. She might have been told to have a cooling off period which must strike fear into her heart because she needs to be plugging away at it 24/7 in order to keep her head above water. I think she has had a ticking off for bringing that bad karma she mentioned upon HQ in the form of a well evidenced article!

The story about her car reminds me of another bot I used to work with. She was into juice plus back in the day. They were told to buy bmw's or soft top cars, and take pics to post of the steering wheel with some disgusting shake they probably threw in the bin straight after. Well this BMW was as old as the hills,you never saw the number plate, but in the flesh it was an old banger with a very polished steering wheel. Off the road for repairs more than on it. We all gave her lifts to work where she took all the overtime available. But this job was never mentioned on her juiceplus page. It was all living the dream and spending quality time with her children. What a load of nonsense!