Starmer's parting shot is to give EU students a £30k discount of their uni fees.

[caringcarer]

This is a kick in the teeth to our own students. If he has money to discount off uni fees for students he should discount our own students. It's an outrage.

He's merely saying that they'll pay the same fees as domestic students. It's not about throwing money at EU students, they will not be coming here for free 🙄

I'm not outraged.

Why do they deserve a discount. They are overseas students.

He's just catching up with Scotland, who never screwed over EU students in the first place.

If he were really progressive, his "parting shot" would be to formally open negotiations to rejoin the single market.

This seems like an insane idea.

Many universities are totally reliant t on that funding - is the taxpayer going to fund the shortfall? If so, it's going to be billions.

Don’t international students pay about £25 or £30k per year? I haven’t read anything other than this thread but universities are struggling and I hope this helps. International students also bring money into local economies.

My daughter’s hoping to go to uni later this year and I’ve been worried about some of them closing. So I don’t see this measure as a kick in the teeth.

The universities might be glad of an influx of students from the EU to make up for the 50% fall in EU students since Brexit.

I was literally PAID to study in the uk as an EU Student! Do they still do that?

Are we short of EU students? Do we need the to come?
If not then they should be paying a lot more

It isn't a subsidy, it's making a level playing field, and I am delighted by it.

My son was lucky enough to do a fully funded Erasmus year in Austria. It was such a privilege, and I wish all kids had this opportunity.

My daughter unfortunately couldn't do Erasmus (because of Brexit), but has just got a place on a Masters course in Barcelona; it's only £3k as opposed to £18k to do a similar course in London.

We are part of the continent of Europe and our young people (and older people!) should have the right to study, live and work anywhere within.

The UK is a pretty unattractive destination for EU students who can study in English in Ireland, or increasingly in Germany or the NL, for a tiny fraction of the cost of a UK degree. Restoring the position to what it was pre-Brexit will hopefully entice more talented EU students back to studying in the UK.

No UK students are going to lose out as a result of this policy so I don't understand what you're outraged about.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-students-in-the-uk-after-brexit/

I looked it up. It is to do with the EU.

It appears it is the EU that want the UK to charge domestic fees, and in return UK students in the EU will get the same.

So it is about bringing the UK and EU closer.

UK universities face £580m Brexit reset bill if EU students get discounted fees (inews.co.uk)

We absolutely are short of EU students. All Universities are struggling, there are mass redundancies at even some of the best institutions because we cannot get enough students to come here. They used to pay home fees before Brexit, maybe reducing them back to that amount might boost the numbers

From what I understand, the income universities get from foreign students covers the cost of teaching - the tuition fees UK students pay does not.

There would have to be a massive increase in EU students for this to be financially viable, a number that universities probably can't cope with.

This is either another terrible policy that will have to be u-turned as the sums don't add up, or it's a parting shot by Starmer to Burnham, to make his job even more difficult.

I looked it up, and it is a reciprocal deal. EU students get UK domestic rate in the UK, and UK students in the EU get the same.

So yup. No money throwing at all.

One thought on this is that international students are allowed to work in the Uk for 18 months post study and are equally able to apply for graduate programmes etc which can they be turned into sponsored work visas.

Employment in London is a huge plus and for some reason I had a spate if IG reels where international graduates were bemoaning (when making multiple applications) and celebrating (when successful) UK work opportunities.

At a time when graduate employment opportunities are extremely challenging are we attracting international students just to prop up universities and then adding to the challenges our homegrown graduates are experiencing?

I’m no expert in this area whatsoever and no axe to grind - would love to be wrong but it just seems we are doing a really bad job at the moment of supporting our own young people,

Edited as I missed the posts about it being a reciprocal deal for fees. Great. So wondering about employment element.

Isn't this speculative at this stage? The EU-UK Summit has been postponed, as I understand it. The youth mobility scheme was one of the topics due to be discussed. I understood that the UK wanted to cap the number of EU nationals who could access the scheme, and the EU wanted UK universities to apply UK tuition fees rather than the much higher international fees – to European students. As far as I can tell, none of this has been agreed yet, it is part of a negotiation. @caringcarer where does it say that this has been agreed?

63500 EU students study at UK universities whereas less than 5000 UK students study at EU universities. A reciprical deal very heavily weighted in favour of EU students.

It is only rumoured to have been agreed at this stage I think, although it does now seem more likely as it is being reported by quite reliable people. As others have said, this is proposed to be a reciprocal deal, and young British people will in fact be getting access to hugely more subsidised fees if they choose to study in an EU 27 country. The youth mobility deal is also part of much wider negotiations. Domestic fees bairn to be one of the few things that the UK can 'give' in exchange for other changes that will (hopefully) be genuinely beneficial in terms of undoing some of the damage of Brexit.

1 hour ago in express newspaper.

I've just looked at the article in the Express @caringcarer . It appears to be clickbait for the The Daily Express's own campaign to 'Give Us A Proper Brexit' !!!!!!!

Are you saying KS has not given a £30k discount to EU students?

@caringcarer I'm saying that I'd like a more definitive source than an article in the Express saying that this "reportedly came off the back of a deal hashed out on the fringes of the G7 summit this month with the European Commission's President, Ursula von der Leyen".

Oh fantastic! It’s a few years off for DS still but he wanted to study in the English language and we had ruled out the UK because of the prohibitive costs, despite his being a British citizen. He will be thrilled at this news as he wants to study in the UK.

It’s not true until I read it in the Daily Mail.