Starmer's parting shot is to give EU students a £30k discount of their uni fees.

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This is a kick in the teeth to our own students. If he has money to discount off uni fees for students he should discount our own students. It's an outrage.

But it will be £30k less per EU student than they currently pay. They live overseas so should pay overseas students fees.

Less than 5000 UK students study at EU universities so not a fair trade.

They could always increase enrolment so it can’t be that easy. Universities will have to find the difference though with the discount.

This has been reported as part of discussions for months now and was on the table for negotiation at the summit that should have taken place in July but has now been postponed.

As it is the right wing papers frothing, I'm guessing it is more than likely they are stirring stories to get anti-Europe sentiment fired up, because that distracts everyone from the real issues.

We should be addressing why there are so few jobs for UK graduates - but why bother when we can just have a good old Brexit bun fight all over again!

We should also be wondering if UK degrees are fit for purpose - but why bother when we can just have a good old Brexit bun fight all over again!

We should also be wondering why so many universities are loss making - but why bother when we can just have a good old Brexit bun fight all over again!

Much easier to blame it all on those bloody Europeans! 😉

Yet another fine example of Brittain being absolutely shafted beyond belief.

UK students pay a cap of £9790. This doesn't cover the cost of their degree education. It cost far more. Up to now this additional money is made up from overseas students paying £11500 for humanities courses and £18000 for a stem or ICT course. This additional money allows universities to offer courses to UK students at the reduced price. Where is the money coming from to subsidise 65000 EU students and moreay be attracted by subsidised rates? This is a stupid and ill thought through Labour policy that puts EU students ahead of UK students.

This is great news for my DDs, makes studying in the UK possible for them.

There is no way that we could afford the overseas fees. They would be classed as overseas students despite being British citizens.

They will probably stay where we are though, fees are 2k a year here...

The op will know this that’s why a discount to higher fee payers from o/s doesn’t help resolve that.

It should be equalised - we're all Europeans

Why will UK universities now have more EU students ? Surely now the playing field is level, so UK students have a better chance of getting a place at UK universities.

And Universities can still chase after non EU students.

The link I posted said a potential loss of 580 million. That is not an unsurmountable amount of money.

There are 2863180 students in the UK. That is 200 quid per student per year. 4 quid a week.

I get international fees at 15 to 38 k per year. Can't they put that up a bit to cover the that reduction?

Almost 10k a year seems crazy high for what a lot of students are actually getting. According to the University of Manchester a student studying English can expect 9-12 hours of lectures and seminars a week. 10k seems extremely steep for that.

You’d like U.K. students to pay more?

Under this new regime, if EU student numbers go back up to pre-Brexshit levels then income from said students will be circa £1.468BILLION. If we leave the status quo intact and assume that EU student levels remain the same then revenue from said students will be circa £1.27BILLION and if we continue to provide a hostile environment then one can rightly assume that in reality those numbers are likely to decrease, having an even more detrimental impact on University funding.

My only reservation with this policy would be the right-to-work which may well impact employment for young people, although one might reasonably assume that if jobs here are difficult to come by a new graduate might simply return home to take up employment in their home country.

Closer ties with the EU can only be a good thing

It’s also about getting the EU to look favourably on the UK when negotiating other deals that will massively help our businesses operate in the EU and help the wider UK economy

EU students coming to study in the UK might be paying the same fees as our home students but they will be spending money on their living costs that will be going back into the UK economy. Keeping student numbers up will mean fewer university lecturers, academics and support staff will have to be made redundant.

There used to be a lot of EU students before we left the EU - particularly at masters and PhD level.

He is embarrassing

That's not the proposal

How is this embarrassing exactly?

There's next to no EU students studying in the UK any more. The international students we have now are primarily Chinese and Indian and they will still be paying the international fee.

yes, it would make sense to stay there.

HE is embarrassing. He has the negotiating skills of amoeba.

Ex-Oxbridge lecturer here, driven out of the UK by people like you, OP (left after Brexit).

I don't think you know a great deal about University finance. The UK has chosen a model that ties funding directly to student headcount and offers very limited financial support to institutions beyond that. As a consequence, all UK universities are in crisis except for those with massive private endowments (Oxbridge and some Ldn colleges) or that have found some sideline (I hear Warwick is OK thanks to conference hosting). They're the most expensive public universities in the world and constantly cutting back on all sorts of provision.

EU countries fund their universities differently, with much less input from students themselves. They go through periodic funding crises too, but not comparable to what is currently happening in the UK. That means that those UK students who study in the EU (paying a fraction of what they would in the UK) are heavily subsidised by EU taxpayers - there may be fewer of them, but they cost the taxpayer more per head.

Funnily enough, those taxpayers do not shout about this though, as university education is treated as a public good around here. You're welcome.

And if there's people on here rich enough that it doesn't bother them, they're lucky, but not everyone is in that situation.

Which means that uni revenue will drop and all fees will need to rise by 50% to recoup the loss - so everyone will actually be paying more. Including home students.