BOTWATCH 91!!! Yes there have been that many threads! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM. And

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Welcome to the latest fred!

The original photos were awful and the new photos are awful (and photoshopped to hell).
If the point of the half day grift is for attendees to discover their branding voice or whatever, then how would they know which props to bring?!
As for the Ambassador programme, presumably the whole schtick is that would-be ambassadors have to sign up for the £60 a month package and then encourage others to do the same and get paid £2 a month back or whatever. Remind you of anything?!

That does sound familiar @dickiedavisthunderthighs.
She can’t sell it (what ever it is) to anyone so I don’t know how she thinks those confused and gullible enough to pay her are then going to convince others. I bet they will be hard pushed to define what they are global ambassadors for. Where are all the Unlucky Affiliates? This will go the same way. Yawn’s got daydream and ambition mixed up. She is still thinking like an inflated upline of 2015.

Yawn's latest countdown post to the Build a bear ambassador launch has been up for 5 hours on FB and so far has no likes or comments!
In fact looking back on the last month, with the exception of a few posts, her interaction is pretty poor for someone who is apparently running several thriving businesses!

This is the thing - you can't expect someone to pay to be an ambassador for something. The whole point of affiliate/influencer work is them getting paid in product and/or hard cash.
At the basic level they need to be giving the ambassador a free membership and then a % of sales on top, but from what I've seen that's not what they're doing.

Where’s her VISIBILITY!!???

Oh I see there’s weekly Zoom team calls/ recognition/support for ‘affiliates’

VERY like back in the good old days of Forever Living - Yawn’s recreating her comfort zone

Just when you thought Bruv couldn’t sink any lower (what IS the matter with him and why does he feel the need to do this??) he films his family’s reaction to him getting a dog - his mum was in bed and unaware of being filmed and he puts it on his public social media
WHY???
He has zero respect for his parents’ privacy or dignity

And it's all so vain isn't it? Nothing of any substance at all...

Preacher Bot has had some very good health news which is great and must be a huge relief. He is sharing a referral link for a supplement he has been taking (not Forever Living). I really hope this is not a sign that his apparent recovery is going to be credited to some wellness product. It would not be good if he credits his positive health news to having chugged Forever products for years. I’ve got a bad feeling about this …

That’s verrry interesting. I’ve seen those products around a bit and I don’t think they’re MLM, just offer a bit of cash as a referral. FLP would take a dim view though which suggests he might have given up the gloop.

@dickiedavisthunderthighs yes, definitely not MLM. I also wondered if it was a sign that he’s given up FLP or, given his illness, Forever have given up on him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he discovered just how much they cared when he was distracted away from FLP (not a lot).

Perhaps the cancer packs for the hospice before Christmas were about freeing up space in his garage with an eye to giving up the grift (and giving up Aloe Vera gel as it’s an absolute no-no for his type of cancer).

Yawn will have requested an extension to her accounting year, often done to delay tax payments.

There are positive reasons for an extension but it’s often to bring your accounts inline with a larger group or buy time for compliance which obviously don’t apply to Yawn.

It’s definitely something negative.

@Slw1984 did yawn ever talk about the massive directors loan or ever admit she was living off hubby?

I'm sadly/not sadly blocked by Yawn, but Techie's posted a video from her on her stories where she talks about how excited she is about the big launch and then pretty much explains what it all is, somewhat negataing the point of the big launch.

To be fair, she does still receive a decent amount off her Flp business every month … like 2k pcm … so that is what buffers I think … re her personal finances, I don’t know , and to be honest, it wasn’t my business and isn’t any concern of mine. I get how it comes across tho , that she’s making wild claims about her earnings and it’s all smoke and mirrors to appear a certain way to try and “sell sell sell”

I’m amazed she’s still getting an income from FL

Poor old Techie (who of course seems to have done ALL the work!)

she’d be much better off sticking to solid reliable tech support, projecting confidence and expertise , rather than straying into MLM type posts about this launch saying she’s ‘terrified’ and she’s ‘bitten her nails down to nothing’ and ‘wish us luck’

Once your biz gets so many generations deep and wide , as long as you do your required amount of volume, you still get paid your “legacy income” That’s why she’ll post periodically about her “customer group” that she is giving it to people for what she pays for it … so she makes no money on the actual product but it creates volume going through the books so she can pick up her pay at the end of the month.

@Slw1984 I totally understand that Yawn’s income from FLP wasn’t your concern or where your focus was at the time. You’re right that many of us with a focus on the ways MLM companies and their representatives operate are very sceptical about what people like Yawn claim about their income.

The reason for the mass scepticism is that so many income claims are such obvious lies that we have been able to pull apart. Yawn’s lies over the years have persuaded people to join and stay locked into Forever, trusting her mirage of success and this caused them lots of damage.

The same happens now, as you saw from the inside - selling a version of herself and her knowledge and skills that is not true. I think telling you she makes a profit of c.£2k a month from selling Aloe just seems hugely unlikely at this point, to me anyway.

What do other Botwatchers think?

I’m highly sceptical

I think she lost downlines who moved to other uplines so any income based on her ‘deep and wide’ downlines will have shrivelled. Not to mention all the downlines who have quietly quit

Oh I absolutely agree , she’s full of BS and what she claims from being a business coach and build a bear and body is wildly exaggerated …
I must admit, I do wonder how she is doing with her pt course and wether she’s still banging on about it , or wether she’s back on the promo for build a bear because since I left she’s gained ONE person ( not bad when she publicly announced she wanted to get one a DAY ! ) 🤣

On Yawn's Linkedin she states she is a Sapphire Mgr. Going on the details below she or her downline would have to shift 4K a month which I suppose is achievable if she has enough in her downline or is flogging it at cost although undercutting her downlines in the process. 24K a month with no other income though minus tax and Ni isn't enough to keep the wolf from the door (or the mange from the thatch). Hemorrhaging cash on squat shots, plether, iffy coaches, bra crystals and lifted Etsy recipes isn't going to save her.

(A Forever Living Sapphire Manager earns a enhanced 40% personal discount, 43–48% retail profit, and a 2% extra Gem Bonus on top of the standard 2%–6% Leadership Bonus from downline manage)

@Slw1984 I haven’t seen quite such a focus on the PT course in the last few days as she seems to be focussing on the April Fool’s Day launch of the same old information repackaged and the coaching away day she has booked for sixty people (who will be expected to pay extra to hear the same information face to face).

I never really trust the FB group numbers as representing active and engaged members - her Unlucky Birds Club has 28 members though it’s been dormant since November last year. The BuildHerBum FB page indicates she has lost more members than she has gained. She isn’t above recruiting her mum and other family members to bump up the numbers. I expect she will lose interest fairly soon as her only motivation is generating content, so if it doesn’t get much attention she will get bored and drop the course and online fitness group.

@user1471446301 I do wonder how well undercutting goes down with others. Wouldn’t FLP have an opinion about that if Yawn is still in the company? It seems too maverick for the Cult to sanction. There is no sign of her downlines. How much choice do they have? Can Headband, for example, ask to be someone else’s downline? I also wonder about her ex-BFF (the recently baptised ex-BFF, not SLW1984!) being taken under Uber’s wing and the outcomes for Yawn. It doesn’t seem likely she has any sort of team at this stage but who knows 🤷‍♀️

I think FL will turn a blind eye tbf as long as product is selling and if she no longer has a downline I supposed there is no undercutting. Speccy's just done a cleanse but i've no idea is she's still under Yawn. EXBFFBaptised I reckon shifted to Uber or Yawn's og upline along with whoever she had left. Scott Bot of the Deli flight disaster doesn't appear to be involved anymore these were the only tame featured ones she had left that I can remember, oh and the doggy one who I think has got caught up in Buildabear.

On Yawn's on webpage she has a tab where you can buy the collagen, well it says send me details so she doesn't disclose the price. But I can't imagine her webpage gets many hits "By submitting this for you agree to Yawn contacting you regarding Forever Marine Collagen and other relevant products, news and updates.