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Welcome to the latest fred!

I don’t really understand - Yawn’s so-called coach who is helping her get a qualification in personal training only has a link to her Forever Living ‘business’ on her social
media

PT is a gullible lady and going by her insta she joined unlucky girl from the FL dreggs of Yawns Team. She has a post of Yawn up and her comment is "Been so good having a night off listening to this inspiring lady!! I am so privileged to call her my friend!! Crystals now going out to charge in the full moon.

She is a lost cause I fear easily impressed and manipulated. I hope she does't loose to much in crappy membership fees and Yawn doesn't fleece her or ruin her reputation for the fitness classes she has.

Mr Yawn needs to tell her to get a fucking job, he won't though as he's terrified of the fallout...

If you look at the ‘work’ section of PT’s profile, it links to something called Bodycore. That in turn looks like the old coaching for coaches trope - sign up and then start teaching others to be a PT.

Ah that makes sense

another pyramid

Okay, so I feel I should shed some light on the connection between the PT and Yawn.

Beds, the PT, already has a personal training business. She teaches classes and, as far as I understand, she is also an assessor for BodyCore. BodyCore is a legitimate personal training company where people can complete a proper PT qualification.

Beds would have signed yawn up to do the course through BodyCore and will most likely receive commission for enrolling her. Yawn has then promoted Beds on her social media, encouraging people who want to become personal trainers to do their qualification through Beds, saying that her support is fantastic and so on.

My understanding is that this is essentially a mutually beneficial arrangement. Yawn promotes Beds so that people sign up to the course, which generates commission for Beds, and Beds will then act as Yorn’s tutor through the BodyCore company.

Where the FL link comes into this is slightly different. If I had joined FL and become very invested in yawn and her business, that is effectively the kind of structure we would be looking at. Beds already had a business — doing personal training, teaching classes, and working as an assessor — but she would have joined FL somewhere in the downline connected to yawn. I don’t know exactly who she sits under, but it will be somewhere within that structure.

That is likely why Beds now helps yawn from Scotland once a week via Zoom to discuss things. However, from what I understand, that would essentially be the same kind of support she would offer anyone who is doing the BodyCore course and receiving tutoring from them.

The point that may confuse people is the timeline. Beds actually approached yawn before the 666 Method even existed. At that time, yawn was giving her business coaching on how to take her PT business online. That was when Yawn made the comment to me that Beds would never make it online because she “looks like Shrek and her house is a mess.”

So now that I have stepped away, it appears that yawn has likely turned to one of her coaching clients and said something along the lines of, “If you help me with this, I’ll promote you.” Alternatively, she may have offered to pay her a small fee per member each month to provide that service.

That, as far as I can see, is the likely arrangement behind it all.

That comment about her made me well up on her behalf. Thank you for your insight. Just when you think she can't be even more horrible than you thought.

Hmm doesn’t seem quite legit if Yawn is being ‘assessed’ by someone who she’s involved with (coaching each other, from the look of it)

How robust is the QA in Bodycore? And when someone is assessed is the assessor’s assessment moderated? (Hope that makes sense!)

Thanks for the info about Bodycore @Slw1984and the timeline. I’ve got to say that comment from Yawn about someone who clearly put her trust in Yawn and thinks Yawn is on her side is absolutely horrible and it shows how much distain Yawn has for others.

i still don’t understand how this sort of role can be taught purely online? Surely if someone is going to help someone do safe and effective exercise as a PT some face to face experience is important. I know nothing about being a PT but from the user end I have received help or correction when I’ve been using equipment incorrectly or had something I’m doing put right so that it’s more effective/less likely to cause injury etc. I can’t see how Yawn can possibly pick up this knowledge unless she is being mentored whilst with actual clients? Jotting down bullet points doesn’t seem legitimate. Yawn just doesn’t have the ability to buckle down and do something properly or be told what’s best by someone with more knowledge and skills so regardless of Bodycore being a legitimate approach and regardless of the PT being good at what she does, Yawn’s version of it won’t be legitimate. I’d be really surprised if she completes it. She can’t afford to hang around finishing courses and building a legitimate approach.

@Slw1984 I think that’s where she is very wrong, in business people either buy from people they like and they really don’t have to be perfect - or they have a strong and unique product ( sometimes it’s both together - likeable and great product) and they aren’t just selling the ‘hey look like me and have a home like me’ methodology. My dance class teacher( we do routines) is both very likeable, hard working ( does loads of groups in different locations in this area) and there’s nothing else like it around here - she’s not skinny, although very fit and I have absolutely zero idea what her house is like. But it’s a great fun Monday evening , lovely group of ladies and I willingly hand over my £40 a month.

Yes that makes sense … so basically , all of the anatomy and physiology is online , as s all the training methods etc … she will have practical days that she can go to to learn “how to teach a squat” etc etc so some one will tell her “you say , bum back , soft knees at the top, hips under shoulders “ etc etc and they will practise on each other as a group … then she will have to pass the exams online … she will have to build a portfolio ( case studies using different people for different things , like person a is training for a marathon … person b wants to build muscle etc ) then she will have practical assessments to go to . I can’t imagine that “beds” will actually be assessing her … but either way , her portfolio and learning manual will be sent off to an external ( non debs ) person Who works for the governing body the course is affiliated to , Kind of like gsces have AQA … does that make sense ?

You are absolutely right ! That’s why I have a good business in real life … I had a unique product in 666 method , it wasn’t just a quick weightloss programme … but I think that the normal everyday people who I wanted to help were put off by her …
now I’ve left , all the real life people are saying they want me to get my programme up and running because they would like to join me … because I’m normal and have a real personality ( I’m the exact same person online as I am in real life ). The only people who are interested in Yawn are FLites who are blinded by the BS or people who can’t see the wood for the trees , most real normal people can smell the BS a mile off. Yawn can’t even grasp the concept that someone might NOT want to be just like her !

I know people have slagged me off on here “dancing infront of curtains” 🤣 but my whole mission behind my method was to make exercise accessible to people and show them , you don’t need to have fancy equipment and actually , if you can push the coffee table aside and get a 30 minute workout done in your lounge, then that’s great and it’s a start.
I appreciate people wouldn’t have seen the end edits but I actually “teach” the whole way through. I have no idea how yawn will be doing any of it, as she won’t be insured to “instruct or teach “ not that a small thing like that would bother her 🙄

*disdain!

“she will have practical days that she can go to to learn “how to teach a squat” etc etc so some one will tell her “you say , bum back , soft knees at the top, hips under shoulders “ etc etc and they will practise on each other as a group … then she will have to pass the exams online … she will have to build a portfolio ( case studies using different people for different things , like person a is training for a marathon … person b wants to build muscle etc ) then she will have practical assessments to go to . I can’t imagine that “beds” will actually be assessing her … but either way , her portfolio and learning manual will be sent off to an external ( non debs ) person Who works for the governing body the course is affiliated to”

@Slw1984 there is no way she will do all of that because it requires background effort and interaction with non-MLM people. She is only doing it for some content and engagement. I’d put money on a portfolio or case studies never happening.

As for having a go at you, honestly it is more about Yawn lying to people and doing anything for attention AND wondering when whoever she is attached to is going to see the light. Along the way with MLM companies and the long term bots we watch there are some comedy moments and Yawn provides many of them. I suspect that when you were “dancing in front of the curtains” you were already thinking, ‘what have I got myself into?’. I can see that the original point was that no one needs fancy equipment to get started and it’s a good point. It’s just the message gets corrupted when it goes through the Yawn machine. But that won’t be a problem for you now!

@Slw1984 my advice to you is go for it - and totally as yourself - warts and all. Start with YouTube and once up to the right number of hits - monetise it as ad supported , same with TikTok . Call it something like’nongymbunny’ lol. Do a bit of Facebook marketing to get those numbers up . Build them on ad supported- offer some extra content sent out separately to anyone that ‘shares’ maybe concentrate on 1 thing, boobs, tums, legs etc for extra content sent. Or do some specific ones for those with ME/fibromyalgia etc , because that way you can do a bit of marketing to their pages, ( of which there are zillions) - as it’s free you can easily do the ‘hey my name is xyz, hope you don’t mind me mentioning this but I have a really good tutorial on very simple get moving with fibromyalgia /arthritis/( etc) at a really low level- really hope it might help, here’s the link’
But def build on the free places - Once you have a lot of traction, then and then only can you have a £2.99 a month subscription channel - I know people with great ‘free’ channels who make £1000 to£2500 a month extra purely on ad supported . It’s a numbers game though so still takes effort , but it’s way more doable and build able than asking people to pay £25 a month for stuff they can find for free . I’ve been here and this is how to make it work ( although not fitness sector) it’s not scammy, people can have no expectations as it’s free , even at£2.99 further down line expectations won’t be huge - at£25 , they are.

Great advice

maybe you should be a ‘business bestie’ 🤣

I would but as I have a proper business don’t have the time - Any time I’ve got , would rather be on mumsnet- lol! Seriously there was nothing wrong with the underlying concept but totally done arse about face and wrong for the demographic it’s after attracting, particularly with fitness and health -

I’m more than happy to provide free content and build a level of trust and following … the time investment to grow a channel
to the level of being monitised however , I don’t have … I’m definitely with you on price tho, I feel like a low entry level price not only makes it more accessible for people ( which is my whole point really ) but also allows it to grow organically and people will get value
for money. I never wanted to charge that amount of money, yawn wants to charge people for the luxury of watching her breathe ! 🙄

She seems to think people will pay for the privilege of being in her gang

Headband has had a very good day’s work standing behind a table of Aloe products in some village hall or other and has sold nearly £400 worth of products and collected the details of a few unsuspecting victims. I wonder if she is as relaxed with their names, addresses and phone numbers as she is with her child’s private information?

What does “nearly £400 in sales” actually give her in her hand for her day’s work and the loss of her Sunday? She clearly thinks it’s significant enough to post about it and it probably is a success for the average bot but how does that translate into cold hard cash (what % of sold product is she likely to get?).

I didn't realise that Yawn charges £25 a month for EACH section of Build a Bear, so if you want all three then you pay £60 a month!! Who on earth would pay that? I thought £25 a month was steep!

yawn wants to charge people for the luxury of watching her breathe ! 🙄

Ha ha yes!

Well I have the luxury of watching some very unsubtle photo editing (Yawn’s school bus photo). This is really not in line with her talk of authenticity and presenting the real her. It takes me back to the early weight loss “journey” photos when promoting the C9.

It’s giving FL branded plane!

Ah yes, who could forget the FLP private jet. You’ve got to make a really honest assessment of your photo manipulation skills before you embark on that kind of deception haven’t you? And be careful about using the first stock image you come across (looking at you Fierce). Top marks to whoever spotted the plane fib that was shared in this photo.

It seems what is most blurred isn’t Yawn’s waistline, it’s fact and fiction. Forever Lying (even after the association with an MLM ends).