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BOTWATCH 91!!! Yes there have been that many threads! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM. And

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Spongebobette · 07/02/2026 18:00

Welcome to the latest fred!

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notgettinganyyounger · 12/03/2026 16:23

I dont suppose @Slw1984 would let us know what it was that led her to run for the hills? Im so interested in whether it was a gradual thing or an actual 'wtf im out of here' moment.

Please if you are still reading, let us know!

Slw1984 · 12/03/2026 17:54

notgettinganyyounger · 12/03/2026 16:23

I dont suppose @Slw1984 would let us know what it was that led her to run for the hills? Im so interested in whether it was a gradual thing or an actual 'wtf im out of here' moment.

Please if you are still reading, let us know!

yawn and I used to run together. We trained for a 10K together and agreed we would run it together on the day. I had a bad hip at the time but still turned up, and she ended up going off ahead so she could finish before me. Then we trained for a half marathon together, and in the end she didn’t even sign up for it and I ended up running it on my own. But that’s another story.

Anyway, during those runs I told her about an idea I’d had back in 2016. My concept was to create an online platform where I could teach people about fitness education, food education, and mindset around behaviour change and sustainable habits. That was the original concept for what later became the 666 Method.

At the time she was doing Lucky Girl, and she said to me that she thought we should do this together because it sounded like a really good idea. I had been sitting on the idea for so long, and because I have autism and ADHD, I often struggle to get things off the ground. So I thought, actually, doing it with her might help bring my vision into reality because she seemed good at getting things started. Like many people, I bought into the image she presented.

So we started working on it. I was filming the workouts, creating recipes, and writing all of the mindset worksheets and educational material. Ironically, she called herself a mindset coach, but she didn’t actually do any of the mindset work at all. The whole concept and framework were my idea and my work.

She then convinced me to put the method inside the Build a bear platform. Once it went in there, things started to change. Suddenly my kitchen wasn’t nice enough to film recipe videos in because “it’s on the app” and “people are paying good money for it,” and maybe we should film in her studio kitchen instead.

There were already a few red flags at that point because the way she builds her businesses is very much based on the idea of presenting herself as the aspirational figure — “look at me, look at my life, I’m amazing and you should want to be like me.” That approach is the complete opposite of my vision.

My ethos behind the method is that my life is messy and chaotic. I’m a normal woman. I’ve been overweight and I’ve been fit. I’m neurodivergent. I have a young son with ADHD. My life isn’t polished or perfect, and that’s exactly the point. I show people the small things I do daily to keep myself on track, because if I can do it in a chaotic life, then anyone can.

But once the programme was inside her platform, suddenly my content wasn’t slick enough, polished enough, or “professional” enough. She kept pushing to change parts of the method, and my response was always the same: this is my mission and my purpose. Not everything is meant for everyone. Some people will love it, some people won’t, and that’s okay.

However, because her focus is on maximum reach and maximum income, she wanted it to appeal to absolutely everyone so everyone could be a paying customer.

The point where everything really unravelled was when she sent me a “Beginner’s Guide” booklet for the method that she had written. When I opened it, it was the complete opposite of everything the method stands for. It contained misinformation and things she simply isn’t qualified to speak about.

I spent about four hours rewriting and editing the document to make it accurate and to reflect the actual ethos and science behind the method. Then I went on her Instagram stories and saw that at eight o’clock that morning she had already gone online telling everyone she had created this amazing booklet and explaining all the things that were in it.

So there I was rewriting the entire thing while she had already publicly claimed it as her own work.

After that we had a back and forth about the booklet because she insisted it needed to be a four-week weight loss plan. That is the exact opposite of what the method is about. I tried to explain that the whole point is behaviour change, habits, education, and long-term lifestyle change — not quick weight loss plans. But she wouldn’t listen.

I then went on holiday and decided to leave it alone for a bit. While I was away, she created a four-week event inside the group without even speaking to me about it. When I saw it, I asked what it was. She said it would be an accountability programme where she would talk people through the method.

When I looked at the schedule, it was things like “Build and Burn” and “Shape and Sculpt.” I asked why she had scheduled those sessions without even checking my availability — especially when I’m the one actually qualified to teach that material.

Her response was that she felt she was more than qualified to talk about her life experience.

At that point I realised I was banging my head against a brick wall. You can’t argue with someone who refuses to listen.

This was my method, my programme, and my professional reputation. If someone gets hurt or receives misinformation, it comes back to me because my name is attached to it. I’m not about spreading misinformation or promoting quick-fix diets. I believe in evidence-based education, proper exercise principles, and ethical guidance.

I’m not going to tell people to live off salads and protein shakes for four weeks just so they can take a before-and-after photo and then sell more programmes.

That is absolutely not what I stand for.

So at that point I realised I needed to get out of the situation, and that’s what ultimately led me to walk away .

Spongebobette · 12/03/2026 17:59

thank you for sharing

the trouble is, when you have been in an MLM for a decade, when it’s all about showing off, aspirational lifestyles, false promises and ‘fake it till you make it’, you lose any sense of right and wrong

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HellooooJackie · 12/03/2026 18:08

A Right Move advert advert has just gone into my Insta feed, for a castle-like folly in South wales - is that THE castle?!

YouOKHun · 12/03/2026 18:29

Thanks for sharing @Slw1984I can see why someone could fall for how Yawn presents. She appears to have a lot of confidence (though I think the opposite is true) and seems like a self-starter. Indeed she is always starting something! There is no follow through though.

I agree with @Spongebobette Yawn is a fine example of what years in Forever Living does to people’s psyche. Yawn is completely trapped in the short-term, superficial illusion of success. Pulling others in is always about using their expertise/content/knowledge/skills/ideas to prop up her success persona. Running in the wrong direction with the 666 method was probably about getting some Forever C9 Starvation product sold on the back of it and that couldn’t wait for your long term approach. It doesn’t matter about tomorrow, all that matters is grabbing attention today and keeping the illusion going because that is what Forever teaches. It’s left her with a house she can’t afford and a hole in her finances.

As for Techie, she probably believes that Yawn is her ticket out of trouble. It’s only c.3 years ago she was on the insolvency register thanks to her Forever involvement. What a tragedy for her that the present grift with Yawn, far from being her ticket to a better place is likely to send her back down a financial black hole. I don’t think Mr and Mrs Techie are being strategic in their association with Yawn, they are just two more destitute Forever “successes” scrabbling around backing any horse they can, even the three-legged outsider that is Yawn.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/03/2026 18:35

@Slw1984. I feel for you - Are you still interested in doing this - ? but with you totally up front- your content, being you? Personally I think the concept was great , the execution and business aspect of what people will pay all wrong - Im more of a business person , and we have a ‘properly successful business’ I’m actually interested in working alongside you to realise this ‘for free’ - not paid coaching etc, !! I’m a really down to earth person, I am not some flash slick wannabe model and I’m 64 - if so let me know on here and I will DM you .

YouOKHun · 12/03/2026 19:04

@HellooooJackieyes that’s THE Castle, the one that was rented out for a long time, including the period of time when some dodgy old bird implied she’d bought it (or didn’t correct the belief her audience had been given that she owned it). Who was it who uncovered the fact that she didn’t own it? A botwatcher wasn’t it?

Spongebobette · 12/03/2026 19:09

It was Bruv who barefacedly lied on a YouTube video that his sister had bought the castle

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Slw1984 · 12/03/2026 19:40

ticktock19 · 23/02/2026 15:23

@Spongebobette

I was named after the strawberry gateau !

YouOKHun · 12/03/2026 20:21

@Spongebobetteah yes, I couldn’t remember Bruv’s exact part in it. He doesn’t have a great track record in getting away with lies does he? Back then it was a blatant lie about owning a property and in more recent times widely shared lies about Apprentice Bot’s depression cure. Not to mention all the lies in between. Two middle-aged babies who have lost touch with reality and have never tried adulting.

notgettinganyyounger · 12/03/2026 22:04

@Slw1984 Thank you for your update, that is so interesting to hear. Thank God you got out and are able to continue running your business the way you always intended and with integrity. Good on you!

Spongebobette · 13/03/2026 12:36

YouOKHun · 12/03/2026 19:04

@HellooooJackieyes that’s THE Castle, the one that was rented out for a long time, including the period of time when some dodgy old bird implied she’d bought it (or didn’t correct the belief her audience had been given that she owned it). Who was it who uncovered the fact that she didn’t own it? A botwatcher wasn’t it?

It’s had some money spent on it since the last time it was on the market!

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Justdancevance · 13/03/2026 13:08

Castle is now claiming she lost 358,000 due the scammer. She seems to have taken the people who paid for certification (about 100 saddos) and used the pyramid scheme fantasy scam multipler of 621% or something of that magnitude 🤣🤣🤣🤣 very Trumpian

As she listed the people who got certifciates from scamversity, her number is a fantasy as usual 🤣

Crikeyalmighty · 13/03/2026 13:40

Justdancevance · 13/03/2026 13:08

Castle is now claiming she lost 358,000 due the scammer. She seems to have taken the people who paid for certification (about 100 saddos) and used the pyramid scheme fantasy scam multipler of 621% or something of that magnitude 🤣🤣🤣🤣 very Trumpian

As she listed the people who got certifciates from scamversity, her number is a fantasy as usual 🤣

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I suspect she’s using maybe 100 people who paid around 3850 - presumably it cost zilch to produce or certify in that case!! And more fool them paying this too . However if the punters had actually paid did the other person clear the money out ? because it would appear to be a joint business with both as directors so presumably both could see and access bank account - if that was so then it’s a very poor business model to not have payments needed on two signatures or 2 codes. I’m wondering if this was actual money paid over and nothing delivered , in which case it’s fraud on the punters side but tough titty on castles side of the other person then just drew it out without controls OR is this castle projecting fantasy on what earnings it ‘should have been’

YouOKHun · 13/03/2026 14:28

Fantasy numbers from Castle as usual but I think she is inflating the amount she lost and continuing to position herself as the biggest victim to deflect people from questioning exactly what’s happened to their money, because it isn’t clear that Castle’s scammer has run off with all the money is it? I bet all the victims’ money reached Castle’s wallet even if it won’t be reflected in the Limited company later on. If she lost money she’d taken from sign ups to her joint venture with her scammer it’s because she is thick as mince which still makes her complicit and only a victim of her plankton brain.

Castle’s alleged massive losses is both a promotion of her success in being able to earn and manage the loss of £300k+ and a way of shutting down the real victims who have “only” lost a fraction of that.

Despite being an innocent victim of a scammer, despite her immense commercial acumen, she is prepared to take it on the chin, so therefore so should the little victims who haven’t suffered losses like her parents she has. They need to keep quiet and leave it with her.

I really hope she is exposed via that limited company or by some victim digging about regarding the timeline. She deserves it and so does that twit brother.

Tupperwarelid · 13/03/2026 14:51

Meanwhile her Director of Colouring In brother has bought himself a puppy but despite living in a flat with no outdoor space isn't impressed that it has shit on the kitchen floor.

How long before the poor thing is palmed off onto his parents? If he had a brain cell he's be dangerous.

YouOKHun · 13/03/2026 15:18

@Tupperwarelid the casual purchasing of an animal as an accessory makes me want to scream and go and kidnap that poor creature. What’s the betting it’s shut up on its own half the time. Selfish manchild.

In other news, Weird Willy is talking about sexless marriages. I haven’t watched the video because I’m not sure I’ve got a strong enough stomach. Given that most of his output is based on his own hang ups and problems I think we will be given far too much information about Homeschool barricading herself in the bedroom and moving furniture up against the door at the first sight of his glasses misting up and the sound of a dungaree strap being undone whist he clasps a sprig of Basil between his teeth like a Poundland Casanova 😱. This is ruining my afternoon …

Spongebobette · 13/03/2026 15:25

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Spongebobette · 13/03/2026 15:29

YouOKHun · 13/03/2026 15:18

@Tupperwarelid the casual purchasing of an animal as an accessory makes me want to scream and go and kidnap that poor creature. What’s the betting it’s shut up on its own half the time. Selfish manchild.

In other news, Weird Willy is talking about sexless marriages. I haven’t watched the video because I’m not sure I’ve got a strong enough stomach. Given that most of his output is based on his own hang ups and problems I think we will be given far too much information about Homeschool barricading herself in the bedroom and moving furniture up against the door at the first sight of his glasses misting up and the sound of a dungaree strap being undone whist he clasps a sprig of Basil between his teeth like a Poundland Casanova 😱. This is ruining my afternoon …

He’s carrying it round like an accessory at the moment. That wind last of course and he’ll dump it on the parents

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Crikeyalmighty · 13/03/2026 15:36

YouOKHun · 13/03/2026 14:28

Fantasy numbers from Castle as usual but I think she is inflating the amount she lost and continuing to position herself as the biggest victim to deflect people from questioning exactly what’s happened to their money, because it isn’t clear that Castle’s scammer has run off with all the money is it? I bet all the victims’ money reached Castle’s wallet even if it won’t be reflected in the Limited company later on. If she lost money she’d taken from sign ups to her joint venture with her scammer it’s because she is thick as mince which still makes her complicit and only a victim of her plankton brain.

Castle’s alleged massive losses is both a promotion of her success in being able to earn and manage the loss of £300k+ and a way of shutting down the real victims who have “only” lost a fraction of that.

Despite being an innocent victim of a scammer, despite her immense commercial acumen, she is prepared to take it on the chin, so therefore so should the little victims who haven’t suffered losses like her parents she has. They need to keep quiet and leave it with her.

I really hope she is exposed via that limited company or by some victim digging about regarding the timeline. She deserves it and so does that twit brother.

Yep, I don’t get it because the punters who lost out if they had paid could go to court for fraud if she actually named and shamed the person - she shouldn’t be that hard to trace, problem is as they both had the company in question ( I think ) they could both be in the shit . If it’s that the scammer has run off with the cash , then clearly castle has some part to play in not keeping up with the companies money and it may be they could go after her too

Spongebobette · 13/03/2026 15:42

*won’t last

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ticktock19 · 13/03/2026 16:48

Slw1984 · 12/03/2026 19:40

I was named after the strawberry gateau !

lol…they were ( still are?) elite level desserts! I’m so sorry Yawn took over and then demolished your business idea, you come across as a very natural, empathetic and enthusiastic fitness professional, our gym clubbercise instructor has just left as he’s moved away and if I was any closer to you then I’d be at your classes instead. Good luck for the future

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 13/03/2026 16:48

YouOKHun · 13/03/2026 15:18

@Tupperwarelid the casual purchasing of an animal as an accessory makes me want to scream and go and kidnap that poor creature. What’s the betting it’s shut up on its own half the time. Selfish manchild.

In other news, Weird Willy is talking about sexless marriages. I haven’t watched the video because I’m not sure I’ve got a strong enough stomach. Given that most of his output is based on his own hang ups and problems I think we will be given far too much information about Homeschool barricading herself in the bedroom and moving furniture up against the door at the first sight of his glasses misting up and the sound of a dungaree strap being undone whist he clasps a sprig of Basil between his teeth like a Poundland Casanova 😱. This is ruining my afternoon …

Oh god that made me proper snort-laugh. There is an incredibly good reason that he had a sexless marriage (outside of the fact that he is stomach-churning), in that Homeschool is gay. I will not be watching that video.

YouOKHun · 13/03/2026 17:10

@dickiedavisthunderthighs yes, I think you’re wise. I watched the first 20 seconds of sexless word salad and even that was enough. Sorry if the mere mention of WW and his sexless marriages talk has meant you now have a dungaree based striptease routine lodged in your head. I suggest lying down in a dark room until the horror passes (that’s what I’m going to do).

Crwysmam · 13/03/2026 17:13

Yawn’s had a day out at the seaside. Yawnsville is probably one of the furthest places from the sea in all directions. Her comment about going to the beach when life feels heavy suggests that the shit is hitting the fan currently. With fuel prices the level they are it will cost a fortune if life is becoming stressful.