Do all 18 years old go on UC if they cannot find a job

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Do the family needs to show their income or the new adult is considered their own financial unit now , even if they live with the parents and their UC is given them

The entry level jobs, IME are unsociable hours.

I spent 18 months, as a new graduate, unable to find a daytime-only job. 18 months. Graduate. If you filter by my posts, you'll read about how it was getting a car licence that finally got me a job.

What chance does a school leaver without a degree have?

Many of the young people in that village save their UC to get the CBT and then rent a moped to ride on L plates. Mopeds are limited to around 30mph. A couple have been killed riding along that unlit 60mph road.

And nobody in the village needs a carer or cleaner or a car washed or some gardening done? Why wait until you leave school? Are there no Saturday jobs to get you started?

It wasn't my question. The OP's posts are blue.

• The Armed Forces is not a waste bin for all the kids who cannot get jobs. They need the right people, which isn't quite a lot of people.
• The Armed Forces will not take autistic people, nor people with food allergies. I'm disqualified on two counts. There will be many people who are medically unsuited to military service yet are not disabled (enough) not to have to work. They are all competing for work at a rate of 300 applicants to one job.

At 18, my plan for the future involved the music industry and was utterly unrealistic. I was not ready for university study and flunked out of a first attempt to go. See also: autistic.

Not all 18yos claim UC. But some do, and that's OK.

I don't think there's a single family on my mum's estate that could afford the luxury of having someone else clean for them. Family members cared for their own disabled relatives and claimed carer's allowance. They weren't hiring carers. Most jobs were unadvertised and hired through asking friend-of-friends and, as a newcomer to the village, I didn't get a look-in. If you'd read the thread, you'd see that I already talked about living in a small, feature-free, ex-pit village.

People do not hire car washers who knock on doors. If you'd read the thread, you'd know how I know this. You'd also know that in 18 months of unemployment, I managed to get a "job" delivering the free paper for £15 per week.

I spent my GCSE and sixth form years under CAMHS care, self-harming because of what I now know to be undiagnosed autism and studying a reduced curriculum at school. I was in no state to work whilst still at school.

If you were a neurotypical, healthy child, you have a form of privilege that some others do not have.

Only if you can get an apprenticeship (hard to get) or pay for more college.

So many Saturday jobs are gone. They don't exist.
Even when they do exist many employers won't take under 18s due to restrictions on hours they can work.
It's crap to be honest.

Why wouldn’t you if you qualify? I pay a lot of tax (like many) so why would anyone feel weird about their child claiming UC until they get full time work. I claimed benefits for a couple of years much earlier in my life, i’m now earning a good salary. Going on benefits for a short time is nothing to be ashamed of. For many families they cannot afford to give their young adult child money whilst they look for work. Yes part time work whilst looking for a permanent job is best but until you get the job, claim UC.

Then it is more sensible to work/ apprenticeship and study via ooen University.

Earning money is the essentusl, education is the luxury. Seriously, what is the point of multiple degrees, post grad, BA if you do not have a successful and well paid career that keeps you financially when adversity strikes.

Visibility vests/jacket and bike lights. Why would you live in a village if you have no means of transportation that's madness. My town is surrounded by villages I've never met anyone who couldn't travel out of the village.

I have lived in my village for 30 years. For the first time ever we will have no bus service. They did a consultation (ha ha ha….we all know where those lead) and even though 96% of people opposed their recommendation, the service will be withdrawn this summer.
I am not in a position to move.
The independence my son has will be withdrawn. God only knows what the people who need to get to town to see their work coach will do.

It’s not at all uncommon for rural bus services to be very limited ie not suit people working late shifts at fast food joints.

If you can't afford to move you're stuck there.
How is someone who has no job going to afford to move out - especially if they are only 18?
I have relatives/friends who live in villages. Paying for driving lessons and purchasing a car was a big priority when their children turned 17 but they were financially able to do that.
Personally I would like to see some kind of government help with driving lessons for people in villages that have no public transport.

But some people do

And some people very much make a lifestyle choice decision to live off benefits

Whether that's teenagers in wealthy households claiming benefits to spend on frivolity, people heavily embellishing their symptoms to get disability benefits, or people in work gaming the system by working very part-time and refusing to increase their hours. I was a manager in a big organization and we had to so many people who would not increase their hours above a very a part time amount of work because they were living a very nice lifestyle largely on benefits. The work was there for the taking they just didn't want it

As a young teen, decades ago, I used to pull pints in the bar of family friends who owned a pub.

Happy to report that I’ve never taken drugs, never mind sold them etc 👍👍👍

You can serve alcohol at 16 if there is an adult behind the bar to approve sales. I know a few 16/17 year olds working in bars.

I am surprised that you don't differentiate pulling pints with selling cocaine, I'm not sure anyway that it does work out more lucrative for young teens who are drawn into the drugs trade.

DS told me that once he went to a pub on a field trip during uni. He distinctly remembers a 17 yo girl serving the group.

I can’t imagine anyone would want to employ someone with the attitude of @selffellatingouroborosofhate . It’s 100 per cent negative.

Doesn’t The King’s Trust provide help for the young jobless? A course maybe with transport help? If you have limited qualifications and haven’t really attended school then that would make it difficult. That’s why I always encouraged my kids to study and also to go to school even when they did find it a struggle because of neurodiverse needs. Don’t assume everyone who has managed it has found it easy. Not at all. But you should be glad some of us are paying taxes. There is no magic money mine!

A lot of 18-year-olds are still at school doing A-levels by the way and not on benefits!

Quite a few MNers brag about how much they loved doing drugs in their youth and now "all have great careers and families and the drugs never affected them long term"

Funny how the drug dealers always seem to make it to these remote places where nobody has any money for buses and can’t ride a bike or moped! But they can get to the benefits office and afford drugs.

Parents save to provide these things. I had 17 years notice my kids would be turning 17! It wasn’t always easy to save. It still isn’t. But that’s what responsible people do. Yes, life can detonate a few booby traps around you. Redundancy can come along, the roof can need fixing, divorce can be financially devastating. But most of us pick ourselves up, get back to work and rebuild savings too.

Save with what money?
Seriously. My daughter is 17 but we've never been able to save an amount that would afford driving lessons and a car.
We are on a small month to month income (but not small enough to claim UC).

You put a small amount aside weekly or monthly and never touch it whatever happens. We? There were two of you? There’s one of me. Or maybe you look for a better paid job or seek promotion? Not easy of course but many people manage it.

My circumstances are slightly different as my daughter has autism and I am her carer so I don't work in a paid job.
We did save sometimes. But then life things happen.
Seriously for families on low incomes having the means to save up the £100s you need for driving lessons, a car, insurance etc just can't happen.
It would be lovely if everyone could.
(By the way my husband can't go any higher in his job but it's low paid. He works in the social services field. A very important and needed job. Changing jobs or getting a promotion is another thing that isn't simple).

@TheOutlier or...... public transport could just be better funded.

I assume the "we" is you and a partner (her dad). Obviously you're doing well and providing for your daughter (as we all do as parents).

Some people can afford to pay for their kids driving lessons, others can't.

I know someone who made their daughter pay for her own driving lessons from her part time job in sixth form.