Do all 18 years old go on UC if they cannot find a job

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Do the family needs to show their income or the new adult is considered their own financial unit now , even if they live with the parents and their UC is given them

Yes, it does bother me. We can’t afford the benefits bill and I see people far more disabled who are in work. What’s their excuse?!

I think it's about 40% of claimants working. More than enough to give the lie to the couch potato myth.

There is a problem with the numbers claiming UC based on ill health. We need to get a handle on how and why that's happening starting with new and young claimants.

The other story is that of those not working many, many are long term sick and have been treated for years as having little if any prospect of working or working again.

I was involved professionally in getting that cohort off legacy ESA and on to Universal Credit. What DWP called managed migration.

Time and time again they'd say they had no interaction with DWP for years until the migration notice came through the letterbox. Some of that is that Covid interrupted the process to review the health of existing claimants but the neglect goes back to the eighties and nineties.

Thank you.

About 40% off the top of my head was a decent shout!!!

If you go into any supermarket there's probably a high chance that many of the staff WORKING there will recieving some benefits.
Do you use supermarkets?

If they receive PIP then they are ENTITLED to it.

A lot of them shouldn’t be.

I couldn’t care less if people working full time receive a top up.

They’re not the majority though. Not by a long way.

Do you understand how abelist your posts sound? Far more disabled people work so people with autism and adhd shouldn't get PIP? Do you have either condition?

You clearly have never been through the process of trying to get PIP if you think it's easy to get

"far more disabled"
I want to laugh at this but I just....this thread gets worse.

It should bother you (in my opinion). This is a subsidy from taxpayers to the shareholders of these businesses. It's ridiculous that we allow companies to pay wages that can't be lived on and then act as if that's OK.

It's not easy to get.
Really it isn't.
You haven't a frigging clue.

Evidence?

That.

Exactly.

Doesn't it?

Do you seriously spend your life seething at complete strangers who get UC and Pip?

I did at 16 for around 4 months; I can’t recall what it was called then but around half went to my mother for keep and the rest on clothes and transport. I had had a Saturday/weekend job which had ended and although I applied for multiple other jobs having several O levels at good grades made me a poor prospect for permanent unskilled jobs.

Work coach was totally useless, I eventually got a job working 42 hours a week for less than the benefit rate and by 18 had a proper office job.

This was during mass unemployment in the 70s so I don’t get the surprise that young adults are entitled to benefits. It’s been the case for a long long time.

My adult children thankfully have never been unemployed, but I understand how it can come about for others.

Prime time to change entitlement criteria.

I remember a thread here where poster was sharing that her DD received PIP because she but "needed" a taxi to get there and back due to her ADHD and also needed take aways three times a day as she couldn't cook. No physical disabilities. Said DD attended a high tariff uni and led an active social life.

That's anecdotal and doesn't represent many peoples experiences on Pip. If you think it's easy to get - you've not been through the experience. Many people who should get PIP are turned down and have to fight to get it

Agree, it very much feels these days like most people feel they are owed handouts for even the most minor of difficulties.

It's a horrible entitlement culture and I would love to see it ended. Benefits should be a safety net of last resort not a lifestyle choice

The problem with relating PIP to specific, sometimes single, health conditions ignores how the benefit actually works.

While health conditions are of course declared on the application whether you get it or not depends on functional tests of what the claimant can and cannot do.

If one has anxiety which manifests itself as utterly disabling agoraphobia, such that you need somebody with you just going to the shops, then you rightly score points under the 'moving around' criteria.

But becuase the condition 'Anxiety' is listed then people like Stig Abel on Times Radio think, or pretend to think, you get a Motability car becuase you're a bit bothered by stuff at work.

Again. You have nothing to back up the statement that "most" people think they are owed handouts for the most minor of difficulties. Having autism or adhd isn't minor. Neither are other various disabilities that entitle people to disability benefits - that's if they actually get them that is because many people don't

People on Pip are also often re assessed or have their awards given for two or three years at a time

At no point did I think I was entitled to lwcra. I tried to claim it because I was not well enough to work. My GP agreed. My GP was overruled twice

As I said earlier in the thread I was also told I was fit to work with a shoulder fracture and a torn rotator cuff. No one would have employed me at that point - I would have been a risk

I got a phone call from a work coach saying we recognise your condition - but you're fit to work - because the legislation said I was

As I said elsewhere on the thread an assessor stated that I would be fit to work three months after a triple leg fracture. I had to appeal. I scored zero points on the assessment and originally only got lwc because I had been hospitalised. I asked for the assessors report - it was full of untruths from start to finish

Adult disability payment viewed it very differently - as did the appeal tribunal

Some people get turned down at every stage and win at tribunal - in the hope that people will be so demoralised they won't go to tribunal. It's not an easy process at all.

It's a horrible entitlement culture and I would love to see it ended.

Just look at the sheer number of times the words “entitled to” have been used on this thread.

There’s even an Entitiled To website.

It’s that bad that people can’t even comprehend the difference between being entitiled to something, and actually needing it.

Encoruaging 18 year olds to claim benefits purely because they are entitiled to them in their own right, (and advertising the advantage of claiming being that this counts towards NI contributions) is just needlessly introducing an entire new generation of young people to a benefit system which keeps them trapped, reliant on the state and leaves them to rot.

Absolutely 🙌

It’s really simple.

People who don’t need to claim state pension, shouldn’t.

People who don’t need to claim PIP, shouldn’t.

People who don’t need to claim UC at 18, shouldn’t.

It doesn’t matter if they are entitled to it.

If they don’t actually need it, they shouldn’t be able to claim it.

Benefits are a safety net, not a free for all.