Do all 18 years old go on UC if they cannot find a job

[Crystalovertherainbow]

Do the family needs to show their income or the new adult is considered their own financial unit now , even if they live with the parents and their UC is given them

Children have died because of the mould that grows in unheated houses. The heating isn't just to warm the people, but to stop damp from condensing on the walls. And your landlord will hold you responsible if a pipe freezes and bursts.

In the UK, if they were offered social housing, they won't have been able to be picky about where the house is. My mum's village is full of poor families in social housing, because the rent for social housing tenants is usually paid in full by housing benefit. I'm sure they'd all love to live somewhere that has more than one bus per hour to the nearest town and buses on Sundays, but they don't get to be choosy.

50 years ago, most of the families renting those same houses, which were "council houses" (aka social housing owned by local government) then, would have had the husband working as a coal miner and would have paid their own rent. And there'd have been more buses for the wives to get work in the towns.

I will keep on repeating that the problem isn't the dole claimants, it's the lack of jobs.

I agree.its staggering to realise how greedy and entitled people are
The country will break under the weight of people just taking everything they can..

Entirely different in a household on the breadline

Show me the jobs.

People cannot get jobs that don't exist. Making benefits temporary doesn't change that.

Self-employment for most people is not viable unless they are a time-served tradesperson. The market for people working as freelance haircutters, gardeners, manicurists, soap makers, scented candle makers, Body Shop reps, etc is utterly saturated.

Benefits claimants have died because they ran out of money:

• https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/mother-left-disgusted-by-dwps-silence-over-secret-report-into-jodey-whitings-death/
• https://www.timothylesacamd.com/the-david-clapson-story

The State covers it up by refusing inquests, even when it's obvious to anyone who can read that a type one diabetic whose electricity has been cut off cannot store his insulin and so can no longer take it.

Time-limiting benefits will kill more people.

I remember someone in my mum's village losing her care home job when the Sunday and late evening buses got scrapped. Working Sundays was mandatory, as was working until 10pm on the late shift. She could't get to and from work.

You can be willing to do the job, but if the transport isn't there, you are screwed.

It is illegal under the Licencing Act, and has been been for a very long time, for someone under 18 to serve alcohol.

You get caught by a police test purchaser and you get a criminal record. That's going to look great on your kid's CV, isn't it?

"It'll never happen" works fine until it does happen.

Perhaps your kids can start their "lessons" and "experience" and "drive" by selling cocaine? It's far more lucrative than alcohol and you're clearly OK with them breaking the law.

But what you seem to be overlooking, is that one of the factors that contributes to the cycle of poverty are the benefits themselves.

No. It's the lack of jobs. Generations of sons followed their fathers down the pits and into the shipyards and steelworks until the pits and yards and works were closed. The intergenerational benefits claiming since then is because the jobs have gone.

Far too many people live one paycheque away from crisis, including most of the PhD-holding research associates I work with.

An education does not guarantee a high income.

It is illegal under the Licencing Act, and has been been for a very long time, for someone under 18 to serve alcohol.

You get caught by a police test purchaser and you get a criminal record. That's going to look great on your kid's CV, isn't it?

"It'll never happen" works fine until it does happen.

It was over 20 years ago, I’m not losing any sleep over it.

Perhaps your kids can start their "lessons" and "experience" and "drive" by selling cocaine? It's far more lucrative than alcohol and you're clearly OK with them breaking the law.

Excuse me?

What do you mean I am okay with my kids breaking the law? They aren’t even teenagers yet.

I can get them selling cocaine?

What is wrong with you?

I didn't claim benefits because my Mum said it was OK to, or because she had shown me that example during the worst seven months of my childhood, but because she needed me to pay her board money and I needed money to get to job interviews and learn to drive.

My Mum didn't claim benefits because her parents had done so, because they didn't, never needed to. Her dad was a pitman and her mum was a nurse, so they were never out of work. My Mum claimed benefits because she needed to feed her children. Note: I don't mention feeding herself because she was skipping feeding herself breakfast and lunch and hoping we didn't notice. By the end of the seven months, you could see her ribs. I could not in conscience burden her financially again by not claiming JSA as an adult.

Now, I'll concur that the children of benefits claimants are more likely to claim benefits than the children of those who have never claimed. That correlation exists. But the late-90s GCSE History syllabus had as a learning outcome "understanding that correlation does not imply causality". Here's a list of far more likely causes for that correlation:

• People who inherit wealth are less likely to claim benefits than those who do not, because of exceeding the means-testing threshold.
• People who have the social connections to avoid unemployment through getting unadvertised positions are likely to use those social connection to recommend their children for unadvertised job vacancies. (Do you know of a single child in your kids' classes who got a "work experience week" place other than through the parents arranging it?)
• People who earn enough to be able to save an emergency fund that exceeds the means-testing threshold for IB are likely to make sufficient financial provision for their children so that the children can't claim, at least not straight away.

None of those three likely causal factors have anything to do with the parents' attitude towards benefits, but they might be related to whether the parents need to claim benefits.

The intergenerational problem isn't claiming benefits, it's poverty and lack of jobs.

If you are OK with your kids pulling pints under-age, then why not get them selling hard drugs? It's just as illegal, and more lucrative.

There's nothing wrong with me. I'm not the one crowing about breaking the law as a teen to build a work ethic.

I never once said my kids are pulling pints under age?

Again, what are you talking about?

And please stop mentioning my kids selling drugs. It’s disgusting.

Claim benefits? No. I have had to pay many thousands every year past 18 to support my kids at university. Neither have ever claimed benefits. Each has done four year courses. They have jobs. I don’t believe there is anywhere in the U.K. where it’s impossible to get work if you are a keenish young person prepared to try most things.

I’d add KFC is usually always hiring.

You said you pulled pints underage and later that you would give your kids work experience in your business. I took it that your kids would be pulling pints in your business, whilst teens. Yes?

The nearest KFC to my mum is seven miles along a 60mph road with no footpaths or streetlights. The buses are hourly, don't run on Sundays, and stop at 9pm.

Tell me you've never lived in inland Northumberland without telling me...

No - you are very, very wrong.

My mother’s friend managed a bar and she would pay me to do her stock check on Sundays when I was a teenager. She also taught me how to pour pints and would occasionally allow me to serve drinks to her regulars when the pub was quiet I.e. Sunday mornings.

I will absolutely give my children work experience in my business, but I have no idea where you got the idea they would be pulling pints from because I don’t own a bar and I never said that I did.

So catch the bus. I also commute a good hour and a half to work myself. If you want the work you find a way. Buy a bike? Or borrow one? It would be good for your health too.

I admit I helped my kids compile their CVs originally and I drove them places for work or interviews or work experience. It’s basically what people do to get their kids started and then they become net contributors instead of just taking from the system.

Me: The buses are hourly, don't run on Sundays, and stop at 9pm.

You: So catch the bus.

Which part of "don't run on Sundays and stop at 9pm" weren't you able to read?

Me: The nearest KFC to my mum is seven miles along a 60mph road with no footpaths or streetlights.

You: Buy a bike? Or borrow one?

On 60mph roads at night with no streetlighting?

I lived alongside families where no one could drive. The men walked to work at the pit until it shut, and then they couldn't afford lessons or a car. I now live next to a family where dad can drive but the family can't afford a car. Luckily, I'm now in an urban environment, so buses are plentiful.

My own mum didn't have a licence until I was fifteen.

Some people do not have that ability to give their kids that support of lifts to interviews and work.

My mistake, for which I am sorry. I thought you had gone into the licenced trade yourself.

Oh you do like to find obstacles. Work that’s in the daytime? On week days? Fast food does offer some flexibility.

You seem to have every reason going for not working.

Yes, I understand the bus is once an hour. So set your alarm for the correct time, go to the stop when it’s due and then catch it. I live somewhere where the trains are only once every 30mins. It has never been a problem.

But some people do. Your question was “do all 18-year-olds claim UC?” No, they don’t because they get jobs or go to uni and probably parents support them until they get themselves sorted, as they have done their entire lives to that point. Be thankful they do get this support because if everyone claimed benefits the country would truly be bankrupt. Benefits are a safety net not a lifestyle choice. At 18 you should have some sort of plan for the future. Or you could join the forces?