Do all 18 years old go on UC if they cannot find a job

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Do the family needs to show their income or the new adult is considered their own financial unit now , even if they live with the parents and their UC is given them

Maybe the Job Centre could help the unemployment figures by hiring more staff so that they have enough time to properly verify claimants' search records. Last I was in there, they were not spending long on each appointment.

Unless you are a packer, a picker, a fork lift driver, or a call centre worker, job fairs are a waste of time.

Some dwp work coaches also claim Uc. That's on record.

We tried turnpikes already. It didn't work, hence the current system of tax funding.

They get ten minutes I believe if they are really busy

My last work coach who was really lovely kept cancelling appointments - because he couldn't cope with his workload. His diary was too full to see me at points

But as I said earlier I live in an area of high deprivation where a lot of people will be on benefits

I work with young people who left university 2 and sometimes 3 years ago.

These young sensible, degree educated people are doing agency work to show they are able to get themselves up in the morning and to work on time and aren’t spending their time gaming or on drugs or downing cider in the park.
Whilst applying and applying for jobs.

The sheer battle to get a f/t job is huge and even when they do get a f/t job they still have to be on UC because these jobs don’t pay enough for them to pay their rent in their shared accommodation.

You can think you are the best parent in the world but if you don’t own a company where you can give your child a job and pay them enough to cover all their bills in their shared flat or house then by your own account you have failed as a parent.

My teen did maths tutoring as his part time job in sixth form. Was part of a company so he got paid just above NMW. Friends who did one to ones got paid £20 an hour

I stand corrected. You have paid into the system so in your hour of need you should get something back.

This thread is about 18 year olds viewing UC as a lifestyle choice. They haven't contributed anything and shouldn't receive it.

I wasn't about to. But it's very naive to assume there are enough jobs for everyone who is able to work to have one. There really aren't.

The title of the thread says “if they can’t find a job”. That’s not a lifestyle choice, it’s a reality for many.

And (thankfully) our welfare system doesn’t only pay out for those who have paid into it, rather to those who need it.

What's the point of living in these areas then if there's no WiFi and signal? How do you get anything done?

What laptop can't handle outlook, excel, word and PowerPoint?

Except they're not. They should be but the failure of successive governments means that there is a culture of entitlement that supports not working and unwillingness to take any work. The figures don't lie. A huge minority with mental health too bad for work apparently, not to mention the bad backs. Have as many children as you like, we'll pay for everything. Etc etc etc
So ever likely 18 year oldsvwill expect it too 🙄

I thought the thread was about 18 yo who cant get a job.

SIA badges are great as long as you finish in time for the bus or have a car.

What's that? Large swathes of door security work require working late nights? Well, that screws the kid in the pit village.

There is a limit to how much the JC's training etc can help you when driving lessons are explicitly excluded from what they can offer.

You don't get PIP or lcwra for a bad back - another lazy trope

Do you think this is how it works in countries that don't have a benefit system?

That everyone is housed and employed?

I don't have a car and I worked security at night for a year. My point was about some of the support a job centre can offer. No. Not all security jobs require people to work late nights. Some are 9-5. An SIA badge allows people to work security in supermarkets. Not just pub doors. Also at football games

Sorry I said anything. What a miserable thread this is.

I wasn't saying that you were incorrect. I was saying that JC support can't help everyone. Football matches run until 10pm. Even when I lived in suburbia, I remember getting turned down for jobs because I hadn't realised at application time that they finished after the last buses and trains at 11pm and it was too far to walk home.

If we had decent public transport in rural areas, that would help a lot too.

My son is slightly older but after being made redundant a year ago has only managed to secure 2 seasonal jobs. I have just recently suggested he applies for UC as he has almost a year missing for NI contributions and I think by claiming UC the government will count him in their NEET stats which I believe are far higher than they are saying if lots of people aren’t claiming. I’m also hoping they can support him and potentially put him into some training as now that he is over 19 college is expensive. UC could be a gateway to access more help, and if this government hadn’t raised employer NI contributions, he would more than likely still have had his school leaver job- why shouldn’t he have help? Yes I can feed him but this is a widespread issue for young people and they need to know the true size of the problem and address it.

Understand

Of course he should apply - the NI contributions is a huge thing

If you aren't depressed when you start your UC claim, you'll be depressed after six months on it. It really isn't the cushy deal people keep claiming that it is.

Which is exactly the reason why the entitlement culture is such a disaster. Just perpetuates the problems.

Entitlement. To a pittance. At one point I was running a home on 317 pounds a month. I didn't put my heating on for two years because it was eat or heat my home.

A lot of the time 18 year olds won't actually have a clue what jobs exist out there. At 18 I wouldn't have known that security for football matches was a thing.
One problem we have is zero or very poor career advice services before the age of 18.
Another problem is that often the job centre won't help with advice or training unless the person is actually signed up for benefits.
If you just walk in off the street to try to find out jobs/training or whatever they won't help you.