Botwatch 90!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM. And ‘coaching’ scams are just as bad!

[Spongebobette]

New Fred

welcome one and all to bot watching- where we pint out the lies and manipulation by ‘bots’ - those involved in network marketing, coaching etc etc

there is no magic money tree so don’t be fooled!

i see Castle has dumped the kids on her parents again so she can go off for a break

@YouOKHun as you say it all looks slightly desparate and contrary to her assertions of focus and manifesting, she looks rather unfocused and probably not actually manifesting much hard cash!!

Imagine wanting to be ‘one of 5 speakers’ af Yawn’s networking event, trying to drum up trade from women just like yourself who are trying to flog their business idea

it’s a closed world

So tempted to ask my mlm
friend why they don’t just sell the patches she is promoting on one central website.

On the Fizz FB page they say Soft Focus bot has been caught in a Ketamine support group. She insists she doesn’t have a need for Ketamine herself and no horse that needs tranquillising so the conclusion is that she is looking for recruits for her latest scam. Sounds about right for her. I was so hoping she’d have to pack up the mega bungalow and stop damaging people when FMW went tits up but it seems she is Teflon coated (for now).

There are some boring accounts to see!

I am no accountant - but they don't look healthy do they.

Unaudited abridged accounts. Isn’t that a way of minimising publicly available information? No, they don’t look too healthy do they (for either company).

What has happened to their FLP activities while all this has been going on?

ooh bloody hell, they are shocking

Unaudited abridged accounts.

Thata's legal for a lot of SMEs. You have to have a turnover in millions before you need to audit or show full accts, IIRC.

I saw that, They took the youngest away for the whole break, now taking the elder one too but mama castle isn’t posting about it, which is unusual.

It’s strange when you’re in charge of your ‘launch strategy’ that you decide to do it during the kids week off school.

Remember castle bought a super duper mobile home at the beach a few years ago and then sold it. I don’t know why they don’t do that again as she’s making seven figures or whatever she claims. Instead it’s a small second hand caravan. Hmmm

@Spongebobette it kind of reminds me of the new directions feature in women and home - they nearly always show women doing a bit of something pleasant, often quite domestically or appearance focussed - think soap making or cakes or hand made jewellery and a ‘turnover ‘ of maybe £100k - they never actually say though how much actual money they are taking out of it. A fair bit must be ‘costs’ as they are not very often service industry’s - there’s usually some comfortably off husband who has set them up on the scene or occasionally a nice divorce settlement - I actually think it does a disservice to women in business in general - why not feature the woman with a flourishing accountancy practice with employees or a high earning documentary maker or even a good lettings agency - ones who genuinely are taking £60k plus income ! ( often a fair bit more) out their business!!

Or running a cleaning company- my cleaner employs several other women and it’s a successful small business

she’d laugh her head off if I told her she could nominate herself for an award and have her photo taken on a red carpet - she doesn’t need the publicity as she has more clients than she needs and she certainly doesn’t need the affirmation and applause because she knows her own worth

@Spongebobette indeed - but personally I would also like to see ones in ‘non domestic’ situations - you know like an architects practice or a legal practice , magazine publisher, etc - I’m all for cleaners etc and it can be a good business but my slight downer with this is that is always suggested and kind of implies that this is all non academic women in particular are good for - same goes for child minding or dog walking - what I don’t get with the featured regularly bots on here is that they clearly have ‘some’ skills when it comes to marketing and self promotion etc and there are many angles they could be making more from with actually less effort - even if it was good webshops/sites with affiliate links or dropshipping etc - I know someone who makes £2k a month just doing this part time as has young kids. I think a lot of this comes down to vanity, they don’t want to be anonymous, they like the ‘glamming up’ and self promotion and the ‘oooh Em aren’t you amazing’ from a load of nice unassuming ordinary women who aren’t on the ‘6 figure’ fantasy incomes.

You are much more generous than me @Crikeyalmighty! I am not sure what skills they have that would transfer well outside the pyramid where success is purchased and where the skills of staying in the game are not really the same skills required outside MLM.

Take Yawn, we are seeing how well the skill of self promotion works for her without the FLP machine (not that FLP helped her much latterly). Even with social media skills and a certain tenacity it’s not enough when actually there is no business skill there, no hinterland to draw upon and no experience of operating in a real environment for many years.

As you say, both Castle and Yawn are way past the point of being able to work alongside others, manage relationships, work consistently with no public praise towards their own private goals, or to the collective goals of an employer who won’t be awarding success with a sash and a moment on stage etc etc. Any frustration tolerance and real application has been smashed out of them by the world of MLM that offers promotion, recognition, success and apparent money in dopamine pleasing quick time. When they left the world of work they were in the early days of unskilled and/or low paid work so no wonder MLM was such an attractive proposition and how lucky their timing was - their success was a happy accident, not a sign of particularly ability. They are now addicted to playing shop and to presenting their chosen persona and, in Yawn’s case (as she has less of a buffer) terrified of a return to a minimum wage job which must be their destiny as they have both been effectively unemployed for many years.

Yawn appears confident but put her in a real job with a public face, like a promotion or sales job and I think she’d crumble at the first hurdle.

Beautifully put @YouOKHun

they have developed a need for praise (well, adoration really) and instant rewards and what’s called ‘recognition’ in the MLM world. They’ve lost any critical skills OR capacity to receive criticism

imagine having a yearly appraisal and storming out shouting that your appraiser was a hater and a failure and a bully

I remember coming across posts talking about ‘recognition’ when I first was learning about MLMs - my ur-bot posted ‘I never ever got recognised in my old job!’
I thought how odd, why would no one recognise you?! Then l learned it meant being sent a cheap bottle of prosecco and a card, or paying to walk across a stage with a sash on

Agree that Yawn is v v fragile - I suspect her family has to prop her up all the time by telling her she’s amazing

@Spongebobette indeed. And Castle is propped up from every direction too. I expect she is less fragile than Yawn as she has more purchasing power to keep the fiction going (for her audience as well as her own delusions). She can also afford to buy the attention of some of the self styled gurus, which reminds me, her and Bruv’s mate Apprentice Bot has obviously seen a tailing off of new BC Facilitators as she has repeated the lies she was told not to tell only a few weeks ago.

Does anyone (with more of a handle on Companies House accounts than I’ve got) have any insights about the Boring accounts for Mr BN’s two companies?

@Spongebobette yep I’m ( I think) a nice person by the way , but I don’t disagree- I don’t know if you noticed but the MLM bullshit creeped back in today on yawns posts ‘ only put forward your suggestion for being one of our speakers if you recommend 5 friends to us ‘ etc - totally pathetic if I’m honest -

I do think a great deal of this bullshit with these bots is about feeling ‘special and recognised’ and many jobs in business that actually pay well are quite anonymous and don’t require you to be plastering your face across social media - which wouldn’t suit these rather vain ladies who to quote my gran (RIP) rather fancy themselves!!

Absolutely!

Just had a message from someone who says her husband has lost £30k to Wig and Sleaze. They were introduced via a friend and positioned as doing well so they trusted him. It’s hard to get my head around how he anyone could find him credible but still. She says they are so ashamed, embarrassed and panicking. She hasn’t even reported it yet. Assuming it’s true I’ve said speak to Action Fraud as Sleaze relies on the shame and silence of his victims. She isn’t the first to lose serious money and she won’t be the last.

@YouOKHun blimey, that’s a lot of cash

How appalling

it beggars belief that anyone could be taken in by such an obvious charlatan but it does happen

That’s shocking @YouOKHun - what had they been conned into investing in? Are Wig and Sleaze still slithering around in Dubai? If they are, I’m amazed they haven’t found themselves in one of their notorious prisons.